Actually Cam, this thread is ESPECIALLY about domestic affairs in the US. Foreign policy is simply unavoidable when discussing this issue as well.CameronPoe wrote:
Let's not turn this into a debate on the domestic affairs of the US. My gripe is with their foreign policy, I couldn't care less what they do within the US.lowing wrote:
I am speaking of the citizens NOT the politicians.
I am all for building the things you mention but the liberals want to achieve this by controlling our money, our retirement our health-care. Basically our lives. They also want to hand over our military to the whims UN. Republicans are not monsters Cam, they simply insist on accountability for ones self, and let individuality prevail and flourish as opposed to having the achievers provide for the non-achievers.
Cam i give up on you, Innocent people are innocent people but not when they show terrorist inclinations towards people from the west.
Lowing you win.
Lowing you win.
I think you're having a severe mental block.CameronPoe wrote:
Here are some newsflashes:David.P wrote:
Cam were'nt the people decapitated potentially innocent? Was that christian mother in indonesia potentially inncoent when they gunned her down? How about the buddhist monk in thailand who was on a peace mission with the muslims potentially innocent? Cam whats worse dying or being imprisoned? Also cam explain to me how when muslims kill people for their cause it's only a small group but when the US does something not even close to that, All US citizens are automatically bad? Tell me Cam? Why?
1. Yes the decapitated people were innocent. That is a fact that is 100% completely and utterly irrelevant to someone languishing in Gitmo for being in the wrong place at the wrong time like Ruhal Ahmed, Asif Iqbal and Shafiq Rasul, three completely innocent Britons who spent a couple of years banged up there. Are you saying it's ok to punish innocent people because they do it? That is warped logic and that is why people are losing respect for the US.
2. All US citizens are not automatically bad. You must have pulled the idea that I think that directly out of your rectal passage.
There are people getting murdered. Fine. Get them and bring them to justice.
But, no, you can't stop there! EVERYONE who LOOKS like they might have been involved (even if you know they weren't) is at fault too!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
How are we supposed to "get them" if it is soooooooo politically incorrect to look for them in most obvious places. Remember, profiling is a bigg no no in liberal America. We can not afford the risk of hurting someones feelings.Spark wrote:
I think you're having a severe mental block.CameronPoe wrote:
Here are some newsflashes:David.P wrote:
Cam were'nt the people decapitated potentially innocent? Was that christian mother in indonesia potentially inncoent when they gunned her down? How about the buddhist monk in thailand who was on a peace mission with the muslims potentially innocent? Cam whats worse dying or being imprisoned? Also cam explain to me how when muslims kill people for their cause it's only a small group but when the US does something not even close to that, All US citizens are automatically bad? Tell me Cam? Why?
1. Yes the decapitated people were innocent. That is a fact that is 100% completely and utterly irrelevant to someone languishing in Gitmo for being in the wrong place at the wrong time like Ruhal Ahmed, Asif Iqbal and Shafiq Rasul, three completely innocent Britons who spent a couple of years banged up there. Are you saying it's ok to punish innocent people because they do it? That is warped logic and that is why people are losing respect for the US.
2. All US citizens are not automatically bad. You must have pulled the idea that I think that directly out of your rectal passage.
There are people getting murdered. Fine. Get them and bring them to justice.
But, no, you can't stop there! EVERYONE who LOOKS like they might have been involved (even if you know they weren't) is at fault too!
You are a lost cause. THERE WERE COMPLETELY INNOCENT PEOPLE BANGED UP IN GITMO. You are effectively saying that white innocent people are worth more than Muslim innocent people. Well I believe we're all innocent people are equal. You obviously don't. Nuff said.David.P wrote:
Cam i give up on you, Innocent people are innocent people but not when they show terrorist inclinations towards people from the west.
Lowing you win.
Lowing - healthcare has nothing to do with US foreign policy. You are trying to start dead end arguments about tax money being spent on social programs, which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with foreign policy. How you think tax money should be distributed domestically is just a matter of opinion for each individual and engaging me in that argument is pointless because I'm aware but not expert in the deficiencies of your tax-distribution system. All I'm talking about is foreign policy. And if you think the Democrats would 'hand over your military to the UN', figuratively speaking, then you are a little deluded. Don't you remember a certain Mr. Clinton unilaterally engaging troops in the Balkans??lowing wrote:
Actually Cam, this thread is ESPECIALLY about domestic affairs in the US. Foreign policy is simply unavoidable when discussing this issue as well.CameronPoe wrote:
Let's not turn this into a debate on the domestic affairs of the US. My gripe is with their foreign policy, I couldn't care less what they do within the US.lowing wrote:
I am speaking of the citizens NOT the politicians.
I am all for building the things you mention but the liberals want to achieve this by controlling our money, our retirement our health-care. Basically our lives. They also want to hand over our military to the whims UN. Republicans are not monsters Cam, they simply insist on accountability for ones self, and let individuality prevail and flourish as opposed to having the achievers provide for the non-achievers.
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why would you hate a country for being lazy? is it because we prosper? sounds more like envy.
you are a retardrubber.sex wrote:
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Cam, go back and re-read the thread title. It is what is right and wrong with America, IE domestic. IE internal affairs. Healthcare applies if it is to be discussed in this thread.CameronPoe wrote:
Lowing - healthcare has nothing to do with US foreign policy. You are trying to start dead end arguments about tax money being spent on social programs, which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with foreign policy. How you think tax money should be distributed domestically is just a matter of opinion for each individual and engaging me in that argument is pointless because I'm aware but not expert in the deficiencies of your tax-distribution system. All I'm talking about is foreign policy. And if you think the Democrats would 'hand over your military to the UN', figuratively speaking, then you are a little deluded. Don't you remember a certain Mr. Clinton unilaterally engaging troops in the Balkans??lowing wrote:
Actually Cam, this thread is ESPECIALLY about domestic affairs in the US. Foreign policy is simply unavoidable when discussing this issue as well.CameronPoe wrote:
Let's not turn this into a debate on the domestic affairs of the US. My gripe is with their foreign policy, I couldn't care less what they do within the US.
Right: Ummm:P
Wrong: Where do i start
Wrong: Where do i start
It is okay to talk about it in the context of the OP but not to pull me up on it in the context of our conversation, which was related to what I regarded as 'the bad' in terms of the US, i.e. US foreign policy.lowing wrote:
Cam, go back and re-read the thread title. It is what is right and wrong with America, IE domestic. IE internal affairs. Healthcare applies if it is to be discussed in this thread.
start by blowing it out your assELITE-UK wrote:
Right: Ummm:P
Wrong: Where do i start
What is right with America: Incredible amount of opportunity to succeed and better your standard of living. The ability (for the most part) to do and say what you want.
What is wrong with America: Organized factions trying to impose their will and morals through the political system. An increasing amount of people trying to use government to outlaw/legalize moral issues. Too much focus on money and pop culture, not enough focus on society. An increasing trend toward larger government.
What is wrong with America: Organized factions trying to impose their will and morals through the political system. An increasing amount of people trying to use government to outlaw/legalize moral issues. Too much focus on money and pop culture, not enough focus on society. An increasing trend toward larger government.
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Applies to a very small minority, providing your daddy is white, rich and sends you to college you'll stay on top.What is right with America: Incredible amount of opportunity to succeed and better your standard of living. .
If not you'll have a problem getting there.
As for the OP, the US has its social priorities entirely wrong.
The death penalty for stealing pizza money, zilch for DUI.
The kind of justice you get, and how the police treat you, depends very much on whether you're black or white, rich or poor.
Its national priorities are also wrong, trillions spent on another oil war - which has only succeeded in raising the price of oil - no healthcare system for its own citizens - except what they can buy themselves so again the poor lose out big time.
Fuck Israel
No actually the rich pay for public health care. The poor do not have to pay a dime to go to a hospital. Get your facts straight.Dilbert_X wrote:
no healthcare system for its own citizens - except what they can buy themselves so again the poor lose out big time.
Not quite. Now, I won't deny that America has a fairly large gap between the rich and the poor, but by no means does that say that you won't succeed. First, you have to realise that success does not neccessarily mean making a six or more figure salary. Success might be just making your lifestyle more comfortable. My family is neither white or rich and my sister and I went/go (respectively) to public schools. A far cry from the rich and famous, but we live somewhat comfortably. Does this mean we didn't have any kind of success or a bettered(prob. not a real word but w/e) standard of living? My sister goes to college in the East (University of Rochester) and I'm planning on attending a college myself with help of financial aid, scholarships, loans, etc. I think that does imply some sense of success and opportunity.Dilbert_X wrote:
Applies to a very small minority, providing your daddy is white, rich and sends you to college you'll stay on top.What is right with America: Incredible amount of opportunity to succeed and better your standard of living. .
If not you'll have a problem getting there.
I believe the opportunity is there. Granted, it might be more difficult for others to find it, or they might have fewer options, but the fact remains that it is there. You can succeed and have opportunities as long as you look for it IMO.
"Chance favours the prepared mind." - Louis Pasteur
On an unrelated note, finally turned 2008 here in CA Happy New Years.
Right... as much as we complain and bitch... we all still believe and hope for a world filled with peace and happiness...
Wrong... I'm almost out of beer...
Wrong... I'm almost out of beer...
Love is the answer
link?Dilbert_X wrote:
The death penalty for stealing pizza money
btw, Im very far from white.
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I too would like to see a link.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
link?Dilbert_X wrote:
The death penalty for stealing pizza money
btw, Im very far from white.
Although if someone stole MY pizza money......
You are so unbelievably mis/uninformed, Dilbert.Dilbert_X wrote:
Applies to a very small minority, providing your daddy is white, rich and sends you to college you'll stay on top.What is right with America: Incredible amount of opportunity to succeed and better your standard of living. .
If not you'll have a problem getting there.
As for the OP, the US has its social priorities entirely wrong.
The death penalty for stealing pizza money, zilch for DUI.
The kind of justice you get, and how the police treat you, depends very much on whether you're black or white, rich or poor.
Its national priorities are also wrong, trillions spent on another oil war - which has only succeeded in raising the price of oil - no healthcare system for its own citizens - except what they can buy themselves so again the poor lose out big time.
The opportunity available here is regardless of race, socio-economic position, or anything else. It is certainly easier if you're rich, but you have no more or less opportunity than anyone else. And there are plenty of non-white rich people in this country, as well. Many of our most successful small business owners are not white.
I'm with the others...provide a link that shows where someone gone the death penalty for petty theft (as opposed to murder). I agree that our DUI laws are ridiculously lax.
There is no one in this country who can't get health care if they need it, regardless of whether they can pay for it or not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I too would like to see a link......btw, I couldn't be any whiter.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
link?Dilbert_X wrote:
The death penalty for stealing pizza money
btw, Im very far from white.
Dilbert's talking about a pizza delivery guy that was being robbed by 2 lowlifes, so he pulled his gun and shot them. Apparently he feels this was unjust.
You think drinking and driving is that big of a deal? You are about as likely to fall to your death, accidentally poison yourself, or commit suicide than you are to be killed by a drunk driver. Should you be arrested on sight for your inherent liabilities? After 3 beers do you think your rights are forfeit and that you should be punished by society if you decide to carefully drive home? I certainly see myself as fully capable of this, and it really annoys me that some prick can pull me over and anally rape me because I decided to drive home from a party.lowing wrote:
THE RIGHT
This pizza delivery guy dispatched 2 would be robbers, one on foot, the other to hell. He had a permit to conceal carry, in another state however. No matter, chalk one up for the good guys, because there is at least one piece of shit that the taxpayers will not have to support and another that will probably never try to rob anyone else.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 … urder.kmov
THE WRONG
This guy was arrested for the 13th time for DUI and is still an asshole to the cops. We need to punish our criminals. How in the hell could this guy have 13 DUI arrests? This is 13 times the chances that this asshole could kill someone with his car. After the 13th time I think the pizza guy above has the right solution for ALL of Americas crime problems.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 … rrest.wews
PUNISH THE CRIMINALS
Its kind of pathetic that we will arrest and fine drunk drivers before there is any evidence that they have victimized anybody. Some people are better at driving drunk than other people are at peak performance. Why not arrest somebody for being black on the basis that they are statistically more likely to commit a crime? People are also statistically more likely to commit crimes when they are angry too, why not make it against the law to seem angry behind the wheel? Statistically, poor people commit the most crimes of all, why not make it illegal to be poor? Now some of you will argue that without drunk driving laws, people would just get tanked, out-of-control and drive around killing each other. I think if you review the costs/benefits for the driver you will realize that it was always in a person's best interest to stay in control, however possible, while driving. If hurtling out of control towards a brick wall is not motivation enough, then I don't think the threat of a police officer is going to convince such reckless people to drive a bit more sober.
I think a person should be held accountable for any harm they do while driving or driving drunk, and that accidents while drunk should be regarded as particularly negligent. Though, I think it is asinine and completely against the founding principles of our nation to profile a free person as a criminal just because they are behind the wheel with a BAC.
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I will let this idiocy speak for itself. Your screen name is apropos for this postMarinejuana wrote:
You think drinking and driving is that big of a deal? You are about as likely to fall to your death, accidentally poison yourself, or commit suicide than you are to be killed by a drunk driver. Should you be arrested on sight for your inherent liabilities? After 3 beers do you think your rights are forfeit and that you should be punished by society if you decide to carefully drive home? I certainly see myself as fully capable of this, and it really annoys me that some prick can pull me over and anally rape me because I decided to drive home from a party.lowing wrote:
THE RIGHT
This pizza delivery guy dispatched 2 would be robbers, one on foot, the other to hell. He had a permit to conceal carry, in another state however. No matter, chalk one up for the good guys, because there is at least one piece of shit that the taxpayers will not have to support and another that will probably never try to rob anyone else.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 … urder.kmov
THE WRONG
This guy was arrested for the 13th time for DUI and is still an asshole to the cops. We need to punish our criminals. How in the hell could this guy have 13 DUI arrests? This is 13 times the chances that this asshole could kill someone with his car. After the 13th time I think the pizza guy above has the right solution for ALL of Americas crime problems.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 … rrest.wews
PUNISH THE CRIMINALS
Its kind of pathetic that we will arrest and fine drunk drivers before there is any evidence that they have victimized anybody. Some people are better at driving drunk than other people are at peak performance. Why not arrest somebody for being black on the basis that they are statistically more likely to commit a crime? People are also statistically more likely to commit crimes when they are angry too, why not make it against the law to seem angry behind the wheel? Statistically, poor people commit the most crimes of all, why not make it illegal to be poor? Now some of you will argue that without drunk driving laws, people would just get tanked, out-of-control and drive around killing each other. I think if you review the costs/benefits for the driver you will realize that it was always in a person's best interest to stay in control, however possible, while driving. If hurtling out of control towards a brick wall is not motivation enough, then I don't think the threat of a police officer is going to convince such reckless people to drive a bit more sober.
I think a person should be held accountable for any harm they do while driving or driving drunk, and that accidents while drunk should be regarded as particularly negligent. Though, I think it is asinine and completely against the founding principles of our nation to profile a free person as a criminal just because they are behind the wheel with a BAC.