BF2S Forums Atheists Can't Be Parents, Appearently.

SenorToenails wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'd agree if it were the actual religions declaring such "behaviors" as doctrines, but they're not (for the most part).  The behaviors of adherents of religion are not "the religion" as people suggest.  Religion is a set of principles, doctrines, and practices as a means to an end.  Professional decision making that speaks on behalf of government saying such unfounded things as this judge is saying has NO semblance of religion.  It does however speak of first amendment rights in a backwards way..backwards because yes, a parent DOES have the right and privilege of teaching their children whatever they want.

Anyway, hopefully this stupid judge will get yanked for her misconduct and reprimanded or disbarred or something if this isn't overturned.  I think this situation is also typical of most US adoption procedures keeping good parents from kids.  It's a barbaric business.

IRONCHEF really is correct on this.  Religion itself is not to blame, but rather this ignorant judge and his 'interpretation' of the law.

You'd think that the state of New Jersey would be happy to give a domestic child a good home.  I guess this is another reason why people adopt from overseas.

What is interesting is IRONCHEF's argument can be broadly applied.  People blame atheists for a small amount of ACLU findings.  People blame liberals for a small amount of retarded action.  People blame conservatives for the actions of a few. 

What can we take away from this simple discussion?  It is far better to judge someone on their merits and the way they act than from what you hear or what they or anyone else call themselves.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-03 13:13:52)

Oh crap.  We'be been used...

IRONCHEF wrote:

Christbane wrote:

are you kidding me???  ass backwards to me is someone who lives there life by bible stories from a couple thousand years ago.  that would be like using the maintenence guide for a 57 chev on a 2008 vette.  the world has changed.  nothing is remotely the same.  maybe it's time for a new son of god to come and set us straight  <eye roll>

SO I'm ass-backwards because I love my neighbor, because I give money EVERY month to feed and clothe the poor, and because I don't steal, lie, and cheat?  Oh wait, those are new rules from the old "21st Century Ethical Values Handbook."

And no, your analogy is a big fail.  The bible is a compilation of writings that span several thousand years, writings by many different people who accounted for things that happened in their times, they wrote what they had received in revelation and teachings, and there's plenty of historical writing in there too.  And on a non-spiritual note, it's completely THE same as todays conditions among individuals, communities, nations and more.  THe same exact conditions among man now like trust, belief, tragedy, success, joy, misery, temptation, wisdom, betrayal; are all dealt with the same as when they were written thousands of years ago.  The only difference that you see is there's iPods now and no staffs and loin cloths.

Oh yeah, have you read the bible before?

I do these things and im a hardcore atheist. I have high standards and im more polite and respectful then most people i know. including the ones who are christians.
Thats one of the mistakes christians make, they think all atheists lack there morals

Mitch wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Christbane wrote:

are you kidding me???  ass backwards to me is someone who lives there life by bible stories from a couple thousand years ago.  that would be like using the maintenence guide for a 57 chev on a 2008 vette.  the world has changed.  nothing is remotely the same.  maybe it's time for a new son of god to come and set us straight  <eye roll>

SO I'm ass-backwards because I love my neighbor, because I give money EVERY month to feed and clothe the poor, and because I don't steal, lie, and cheat?  Oh wait, those are new rules from the old "21st Century Ethical Values Handbook."

And no, your analogy is a big fail.  The bible is a compilation of writings that span several thousand years, writings by many different people who accounted for things that happened in their times, they wrote what they had received in revelation and teachings, and there's plenty of historical writing in there too.  And on a non-spiritual note, it's completely THE same as todays conditions among individuals, communities, nations and more.  THe same exact conditions among man now like trust, belief, tragedy, success, joy, misery, temptation, wisdom, betrayal; are all dealt with the same as when they were written thousands of years ago.  The only difference that you see is there's iPods now and no staffs and loin cloths.

Oh yeah, have you read the bible before?

I do these things and im a hardcore atheist. I have high standards and im more polite and respectful then most people i know. including the ones who are christians.
Thats one of the mistakes christians make, they think all atheists lack there morals

You also do it without promise of being in some paradise named heaven or without threat of being cast into a fiery pit. Whilst religious people tend to only be good to avoid "hell"

So who's the better person? Well it would be you Mitch

is david.p here yet?

that man needs to get a good kick in the nuts.

and if he doesn't get kicked from his function now i'll be speechless.
btw: don't generalize religious people, this one is just fkin stupid.

Protecus wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Am I the only one that noticed there appears to be an article date of Dec. 7, 1970?

Wellllllllllll  Shit

still relevent. even in 1970 this is  BS

Christbane wrote:

ok the core vaules are helpful as a base to being a good human being.   but after that it gets very selfish and demanding in my opinion.  I think religion is fine if it makes someone a better person.  but lets not assume it's the only way to become one.   

and no those things were not dealt with in the same way now as they were then.  unless you count bacwards countries who stone people for being raped etc.  people arent sacrificed any more.  witches are not burned. people are not being turned into pillars of salt. etc etc.  things have changed. 

I have not read the bible cover to cover.  how would this change anything?

I will agree that adherents of religion (and pretty much any human being) can get selfish or demanding, but again, that's people, not religion...unless that damned 11th commandment has resurfaced ("Thou shalt be a selfish and demanding prick all the days of thy life").  You are right that it's not the only way to become a better person.  It's a well used platform to become so, but because of the undertaking of religious living actually pushes you and pulls you and turns your life upside down, it's quite easy to become proud (one example) and you begin to look at people who didn't pay their tithes and offerings on Sunday and think of them as godless heathens.  Or maybe because you went to church to worship and you felt good from your experience you think of your neighbor as a godless heathen because he's waxing his water skis and hitching his boat to the truck for a trip to the river for the day. 

Being Mormon, I served the people of Brazil for 2 years.  I learned gobs from that people (collectively regardless of religion) that taught me volumes.  They are a more humble, sweet, loving, trusting, and kinder people than my own...by far.  The culture shock going to that country was nothing compared to arriving at SFO after the two years and seeing us big, fat, loud, rude, impatient, arrogant, unkind americans again.  It was truly depressing to be back home with my people.  Didn't take long to return to that level of conduct (and here I am in BF2s insulting people...).  I'm mentioning this experience to let you know that people's real life struggles are identical to those of biblical times.  Yes, teaching have changed..for most, but the experiences of the bible and the people of the bible are NO different.  there's still the same problems then as now.  Even if you didn't have the bible, this would still be true.

I asked if you read the bible because most who rail on it haven't, or they may have started it and got bored and said they read it.   so well done to you, it's not easy to read. cover to cover I've read it twice in english, once in portuguese.  but in studying and random incursions, i couldn't count the times.  I have a very untypical understanding of the bible compared to my other christian counterparts that grows the more I read and pray about it.

Mitch wrote:

avman633 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Am I the only one that noticed there appears to be an article date of Dec. 7, 1970?

Not anymore

can that be right?
there was no internet in 1970.
if there was it wasnt public enough for news sites.

It's called cataloging or archiving.  Most periodical and news sites partake in it.

How did you come across it?  I was thinking you typed 'atheism' into the search?

guys, its an article from 1970.......

stupid mexicans....joke

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Mitch wrote:

avman633 wrote:

Not anymore

can that be right?
there was no internet in 1970.
if there was it wasnt public enough for news sites.

It's called cataloging or archiving.  Most periodical and news sites partake in it.

How did you come across it?  I was thinking you typed 'atheism' into the search?

No actually i was reading about Your Pets Personality and it was on the 'Most Popular' on the right side.

unconstitutional much?

Last edited by Yellowman03 (2008-01-03 14:06:06)