It's funny, but the image looks to me more like the Grim Reaper than the VM.IRONCHEF wrote:
Well, at least there's this cool article I just read!!! http://www.ktvu.com/news/14953911/detail.html
A New Mexico family is counting its blessings after it discovered an image of the Virgin Mary on their living room wall, reported KOAT-TV in Albuquerque, N.M.
Donna Quintana, of Meadow Lake, N.M., said it's a much-needed blessing that appeared right before her family's eyes Christmas Eve. Her husband saw it first.
"He noticed an image there. He said, 'That looks like an image of the Virgin Mary,'" Quintana said.
She said the image appeared during a home construction mishap. Quintana said her husband was putting a special texture on the wall. The spray bottle he was using broke twice, which meant the texture couldn't be wiped off fast enough. This is how it dried.
"I feel like it's telling us something, like it's protecting us," Quintana said. "It's like a miracle."
Her family concurs.
"I think God is trying to tell us something, like a message from heaven," said Mariah Quintana, Donna Quintana's granddaughter.
Quintana said the last three years they've been living in the house, dealing with difficult times. She this is a sign that the new year will bring positive change. She has no plans to change the wall.
I wonder wht God is trying to tell them!!! Maybe that they should have used wallpaper instead?
Who knows what the Virgin Mary or Jesus supposedly looked like anyway? At best, it faintly looks like an often recreated image of what some people thought she looked like.
It was overturned, in case anyone was interested. Read the ruling.
In view of what we have said above, it is unnecessary for us to consider plaintiffs' further contentions that the trial court's decision denied both them and the child "E" equal protection and due process of law.
The judgment of the trial court is reversed. Since the sole ground for denying the adoption was the Burkes' beliefs regarding religion and it is clear from the record that they are otherwise fit, we grant the adoption in the exercise of our original jurisdiction. See R. 2:10-5; In re Adoption by B, supra, 63 N.J. Super. at 104.
Judgment is entered in accordance with this opinion.
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is david.p still not here?!?
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Always raining and foggy
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
much respect for what you did in brazil. it takes a good heart to do what you did. I hope I did not persoanly offend you in any way you seem like a good person.IRONCHEF wrote:
I will agree that adherents of religion (and pretty much any human being) can get selfish or demanding, but again, that's people, not religion...unless that damned 11th commandment has resurfaced ("Thou shalt be a selfish and demanding prick all the days of thy life"). You are right that it's not the only way to become a better person. It's a well used platform to become so, but because of the undertaking of religious living actually pushes you and pulls you and turns your life upside down, it's quite easy to become proud (one example) and you begin to look at people who didn't pay their tithes and offerings on Sunday and think of them as godless heathens. Or maybe because you went to church to worship and you felt good from your experience you think of your neighbor as a godless heathen because he's waxing his water skis and hitching his boat to the truck for a trip to the river for the day.Christbane wrote:
ok the core vaules are helpful as a base to being a good human being. but after that it gets very selfish and demanding in my opinion. I think religion is fine if it makes someone a better person. but lets not assume it's the only way to become one.
and no those things were not dealt with in the same way now as they were then. unless you count bacwards countries who stone people for being raped etc. people arent sacrificed any more. witches are not burned. people are not being turned into pillars of salt. etc etc. things have changed.
I have not read the bible cover to cover. how would this change anything?
Being Mormon, I served the people of Brazil for 2 years. I learned gobs from that people (collectively regardless of religion) that taught me volumes. They are a more humble, sweet, loving, trusting, and kinder people than my own...by far. The culture shock going to that country was nothing compared to arriving at SFO after the two years and seeing us big, fat, loud, rude, impatient, arrogant, unkind americans again. It was truly depressing to be back home with my people. Didn't take long to return to that level of conduct (and here I am in BF2s insulting people...). I'm mentioning this experience to let you know that people's real life struggles are identical to those of biblical times. Yes, teaching have changed..for most, but the experiences of the bible and the people of the bible are NO different. there's still the same problems then as now. Even if you didn't have the bible, this would still be true.
I asked if you read the bible because most who rail on it haven't, or they may have started it and got bored and said they read it. so well done to you, it's not easy to read. cover to cover I've read it twice in english, once in portuguese. but in studying and random incursions, i couldn't count the times. I have a very untypical understanding of the bible compared to my other christian counterparts that grows the more I read and pray about it.
you misread what I said I think. I did NOT read cover to cover. but I did attend sunday school and religion classes when i was younger. also by saying selfish and demanding I was talking about the christian version of god. not the people who believe. again, my opinion. I dont expect or want anyone else to share this view. unfourtunatly some religious folks insist I believe what they do. (not lumping you into this)
Think of it this way.
If the childs parents are religious, the child is a lot more likely to be exposed to more options on their faith. They probably end up going to whatever their parents worship and later in life if they don't like it they can just move on. Atheist parents aren't as likely to to expose their children to religion, so therefor they'll have to make that kind of decision when they're much too old to get suckered into that religious crap.
Oh, and if you're religious and this offends you, just take pleasure in that the fact that I'll burn in hell. Although if you do take pleasure in that you'll probably end up there with me.
If the childs parents are religious, the child is a lot more likely to be exposed to more options on their faith. They probably end up going to whatever their parents worship and later in life if they don't like it they can just move on. Atheist parents aren't as likely to to expose their children to religion, so therefor they'll have to make that kind of decision when they're much too old to get suckered into that religious crap.
Oh, and if you're religious and this offends you, just take pleasure in that the fact that I'll burn in hell. Although if you do take pleasure in that you'll probably end up there with me.
it's a joke!!! now put cowboys from hell into the cd player and lets mosh!sergeriver wrote:
Pls, tell me this is a joke.
1970 huuuummmmm....
Lets all go hunting Mitch, anyone got a rope?
Lets all go hunting Mitch, anyone got a rope?
Yep, that's how the law should view things and probably does. I still can't figure out what's up with the OP date and such ...Bell wrote:
Imo, if a prospective parent can show they will provide a good enviroment for a child to grow up, who cares what religion (or not) the parent is?
The article is actually from 1970. The decision was overturned in 1971 by the New Jersey Supreme Court.Stingray24 wrote:
Yep, that's how the law should view things and probably does. I still can't figure out what's up with the OP date and such ...Bell wrote:
Imo, if a prospective parent can show they will provide a good enviroment for a child to grow up, who cares what religion (or not) the parent is?
Bell's opinion is the same as how the law was interpreted.
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Ok then looks like we all agree. /end