mikkel wrote:
lowing wrote:
mikkel wrote:
Oh so feisty, lowing.
The problem that you don't see here is that most of these are actual humanitarian crises, as opposed to the US engagements that are being criticised by the rest of the world. Most of the Western world is or was in Afghanistan, no one with any shred of sensibility critcised the US for going into Somalia in the 90s, and people were actively encouraging Western intervention in Darfur before the African Union forces.
It's this puzzling black and white mentality you have going. There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on anything as far as you're concerned, and it seems to limit your ability to think rationally fairly often.
Nope, I just do not view the US as a puppet for the Eurotrash to try and manipulate. We are not a genie in the bottle for you to conjure up whenever it suits you or your interests. THe US has internal interests just like the rest of the world, however, we are not allowed tol ook after those interests. In doing so, makes us the great world evil power.
I get a little pissed off when I am being told how much we suck and then at the next breath asked why we are not somewhere solving problems YOU are watching and are not busy solving yourselves.
Oh and the "humanitarian effort in the 90's was answered by RPG and small arms fire. There is no humanitarian efforts in Africa, it is get involved at your own risk, and you had better do it the way the EU tells you to or you will be condemned in your media. Screw you, fix your own side of the worlds problems, we are too busy trying to keep nukes out of YOUR backyard already.
No one is condemning the US for taking care of domestic issues. Why do you think Ron Paul enjoys such broad international support? The US is largely only condemned for taking care of supposedly domestic issues in foreign countries without sufficient warrant, just like any other country would be. There's no sympathy for you to get on that account, no matter how hard you try.
The fact of the matter is that the US is a big country with a big influence, and when the US makes mistakes, the mistakes are big as a consequence thereof. Mistakes are allowed, but arrogantly perpetuating them through dishonest justification, and spinning any dissatisfaction with this to glorify these desperate measures and antagonise anyone why voices discontentment is ridiculous and juvenile. A pathetic attempt to elicit sympathy through the fear of antagonism, similarly to how patriotism is being abused.
You aren't busy keeping nukes out of our backyard. If the EU had any reason to believe that it was under nuclear threat, quite frankly, it would be more than capable of dealing with the situation itself. These ghosts you chase are of little interest to the rest of the world, so don't expect gratitude for what is essentially nothing.
This thread is a classic example of this self-righteous whining and complaining from a good portion of conservative America. This thread had absolutely NOTHING to do with the US. This was a neutral thread asking which conflicts are in the most urgent need of being resolved. Not how or by who. It took mere minutes for someone to come sobbing and moaning about how unfair everything is for the US and how everyone else sucks. Guess what? Shut up. That these conflicts persist is a criticism of human kind of any nationality, so how about you stop feeling so damned persecuted and butt hurt over being criticised for your mistakes, and either take initiative to do something good, or sit back and shut up.
Africa sucks for letting these conflicts exist, Europe sucks for letting these conflicts exist, North America sucks for letting these conflicts exist, South America sucks for letting these conflicts exist, Asia sucks sucks for letting these conflicts exist, and Oceania sucks for letting these conflicts exist. Stop sympathising with yourself.
Coupla things: first, I never even mentioned the word sympathy, didn't ask for it or even need it. I said I am sick to death of countries like those in the EU that spout off about all that the US SHOULD be doing while at the same time doing DICK in helping to solve any of the worlds problems themselves. In a nutshell, you all are a bunch of rubberneckers with no intention of getting dirty when something is on the line. That isn't sympathy pandering you see from me pal, it is disgust.
second, do not even begin to think about tell us how tough any of you EU countries are and how you can take care of anything that threatens you. That is something you have yet to prove and until you do, you can stow the tough talk. You could not prevent Hitler from coming to power and taking you all over, and you could not do anything to prevent the USSR from keeping you all in check during the cold war. You are not capable of taking care of a damned thing on your own. The US has done plenty of good for this world, pitching in and help saving all of your asses for one, and dispatching the USSR so you all could breath a little easier. What is it the Eurotrash has done for us besides create 2 world wars in one century for everyone else to fight?
Last edited by lowing (2008-01-05 20:20:18)