BF2S Forums Whould the US help us?

Well, there's a little country between Russia and Sweden and I don't think the Finnish goverment would let the Russians just march through.
USA would likely get involved, but European countries would act first.

Last edited by Gawwad (2008-01-08 07:15:47)

M.O.A.B wrote:

Not sure really maybe if they were asked to help, or they may help immediately, I don't really know. But I do know that the Swedish military would given the Russians some headaches, they've got some neat equipment and weapons etc.

That is correct, we do have a very technologically advanced (very advanced navy and air force) and well trained armed force, no doubt. But the size of the military is no where near the Russians, so they would not meet much resistance during the invation I think. But I am sure that a huge guerrilla war would break out.

Gawwad wrote:

Well, there's a little country between Russia and Sweden and I don't think the Finnish goverment would let the Russians just march through.
USA would likely get involved, but European countries would act first.

Im guessing the Russians would do a World in Conflict type of invasion, transporting troops with ships and kind of doing a half sneaky half brute force invasion.

Last edited by Snorkelfarsan (2008-01-08 07:26:01)

Yeah, its pretty scary.

Why the fuck would Russia even invade any European country anyway. I never understood that. They always taught that the red army will roll across the iron curtain one day, but why would they do it?

Is it because they're evil communists?

International Maritime Organization (IMO) Did in 2004 declare the Baltic sea as a protected sea or something, and declared that no oil tankers could enter if the did not have double hulls?
all of the countries surrounding the Baltic except Russia signed the agreement


January 2007
The Swedish coastguard (KBV) boarded two Russian oil tankers to try and send them back to Basra where they came from. Since they did not have a double hull. They did not want to cooperate so the coast guard took control over the ships and escorted them out of kattegat and there the crew were handed back the ship

The oil the ships where carrying was supposed to go to a power plant in kallingrad, but during that time it was the coldest winter months with temps down to -34 and there was hardly any fuel reserves left, they had limited electricity

The Russians said that over 330 ppl die, but there was a public outcry when it came out that 22 of the dead had died in the same old ppl home and they where ww2 war veterans

Russia calls back its ambassador . the ships are sent through again but with a heavy Russian navy escort, the Swedish coastguard orders are ignored . and the transport goes through



May 2007
Russia declares that they are going to raise their fishing quotas with over 40% , even though Swe and Finland protest they go through with it and start to fish outside of gotland (Swedish island) some of the ships are on Swedish territorial waters and when the coastguard try and board a ship a Russian fisher shoots and kills a Coastguard.

After this the coastguard uses Swedish military spec ops to do the boardings , the Russians gets P.O and the Russian fishing fleet is escorted by Navy  ships. Sometimes the ships are in Swedish waters and after a confrontation between them a Swedish Corvette is damaged badly, since a Russian navy ship rammed it. A Russian sailor dies

September 2007
A well planned terror attack occurs during rush hour in the Moscow's underground 2 of the 8 rucksacks have a nervgas in them within 15 min 860 ppl have died due to the nervgas. After a massive manhunt tjetjen separatists are arrested  6 of them are Swedish citizens, they were granted it a few years ago. The money that was used to plan the assault was funded by a  government run relief agency, who thought they where funding a center for raped women outside of Grozny

February 2008
A outbreak of smallpox occurs and is found to have originated from St peterburgs water plant. After two weeks the over 2000 ppl have died and several hundred more have been shoot by Russian troops since they tried to escape from the quarantine area.

as responsible for that act the Russians point the finger at a "Sergej" who lives in Sweden. The Swedish security police question him but release him due to the lack of evidence. Russia demands that he will be sent over but Sweden refuses on the grounds that he has already been questioned by the security police and that Russia does not belong to the EU and that he also risks to get the death penalty if sent over.
There is no way he could be sent to Russia according to the law


Russia threatens Sweden and declares that sergej is outlawed and that they will deal with him some other way. after 2 attempts on sergejs life and
after a media storm  he is given police protection. When a third attempt is made on his life his attacker is killed by a Security police bodyguard.
The attacker is identified as a active officer in the Russian domestic troops
Sweden calls home its ambassador from Russia.

Russia also calls home their ambassador and declare in the UN security council that they no longer accept that Sweden has become a safe haven for Russian enemies


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March 2008
Rumours of a imminent nuclear terror attack spreads widespread panic in Moscow ,  roads are blocked and looting occurs during several days in the city. The rumour was posted on 10 of Russia's most visited sites. The well written message says that 3 suitcase nukes will be detonated in three named locations in Moscow. This as revenge towards Russia's oppression of the tjetjen ppl.
Nobody is harmed during the days of civil unrest but the economy is hurt, and it is a huge crisis for the Russian industry since nobody is ordering.
Allot of ppl lose their jobs

The messages author is never found but Russian gossip newspapers state that the message probably has its origin in the it country Sweden

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After that it goes on to tell how Russia managed to invade Sweden ,

Sorry if there are any errors in the text if there is then stfu

Not to worry, the Swedish Bikini Team would be promptly airlifted to America.

I still belive that the European countries would come to our aid, but Denmark and Norway would the loudest (both NATO ,both with allot to lose if the Russians decide to move)

Frankly, if sweden falls, the rest of europe won't be far off, so the US would have very good motivation to help defend sweden.
Even if they don't interfere, Europe's millitary was built up heavily furing the cold war, so the russians could at least be slowed or maybe even stalled.

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

lowing wrote:

WW1  was not our war until the Germans pulled us in by sinking our luxury liner.

WW2 again was not our war but we did help finance the damn thing long before we entered militarily.

YOUR continent was being over ran, and YOU let Germany do so through your borders, so not only DIDN'T you do anything to fight it, you ACTUALLY made it more convenient for them to do so. Sorry no comparison buddy.

Lowing is right-- WWI was not the USA's war.  It was Germany's unrestricted submarine warfare (sinking the Lusitania included) and the Zimmerman Telegraph that did it. 


As for World War 2 (European Theatre) --

It started with the German/Russian invasion of Poland, right?  That was September 1, 1939.  The US didn't join in officially until early/mid December 1941.  So thats about 2 years of the US not being directly involved.  Then, the war did not end until mid 1945 in Europe.  So if we do the math, the US was in the war for 1942,1943,1944, and half of 1945.  That's hardly "late to the party".  Needless to say, if the US had only 1 front to deal with, it probably would have ended a lot sooner.

I don't think anyone can say that the US stayed out of "most" of World War 2.  In fact, that is just plain incorrect.

Regarding Swedens "neutrality" during WWII. Yes our government were cowards and didnt want to stand up against the nazis so we let them march in to Norway. But on the other, at that time our military was not at all something to brag about, and if we would have tried to stop Hitler we would have ended up as Poland. On the other hand, the a lot of swedes went over to fight with the Finnish during the Finnish Winter war against the Russians.
And another thing, even though the US did have a big part of "saving" Europe during WWII, the efforts only count for a maximum of 30%. It was infact the Russians who did most of the job of silencing the germans. But Brittain and the US take a lot more credit for it. Now dont Im glad you helped out, because otherwise, big parts of Europe would have been a part of the Soviet Union.

Russia would not have won without the U.S. Each major ally was vital, so between the three, I'll give 33% credit to each.

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Russia would not have won without the U.S. Each major ally was vital, so between the three, I'll give 33% credit to each.

They all needed eachother, that is true. But Russias efforts accounted for the biggest part, no doubt. I would say that Russia did 50%, USA 30%, Brittain 10-15% and then the rest of the allies the remaining 5-10%.

The Soviet Union did the dying.  ~10.6 million Soviet soldiers gave their lives, given 14 million TOTAL allied deaths.

The eastern front of the European theatre was the largest, most ferocious war ever fought, and the USSR was largely the reason for the allied success in Europe.  However, Japan was also part of the axis powers, and the US fought that war largely on its own.  Though I will not discount the aid provided by the United Kingdom, Australia, and others.

why should we?  all we get from europe is criticism.  deal with it yourselves.

WW2 could not have been won without the aid of the US, simple as that. period. If you look into your history and see how many great things the commanders and soldiers of the US did in Europe back in 1941-45 you can safely say that. I don't know how any of you can really say otherwise, you got no idea how life would be if the US didn't step in back then.

I said there's almost complete certainty over the US helping you if russia might step out and march towards sweden, but probably not very hard militaristically seen, judging their current situation in Iraq / Afghanistan and the huge financial problems, those who will help eachother for once in history will be europe itself.