usmarine
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 188402.stm

"The anti-smoking campaign group Ash claimed regular inhaling of shisha was equivalent to smoking up to 60 cigarettes a day."
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Besides the fact that this story is a fight between the ban and religion, the statement above cannot be true can it?
Kmar
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TeamZephyr
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Wrong, with Shisha you inhale steam not the harmful smoke/tobacco. These anti-smoking groups will say ANYTHING to get things banned.

Shisha is one of the most social things around, me and my friends often smoke it in outside cafes and such and its amazing how many people join in, all friendly.

I think that even if Shisha smoke is harmful it's the responsiblity of Shisha smokers to assess any risks from smoking it. It's not the responsiblity of pressure groups, lobbyists and governments to put restrictions on peoples freedom to choose, if are smart enough to make decisions for themselves.
King_County_Downy
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+2,791|7032|Seattle

Must have a lot of tar in it. I've smoked it once before in some strange coffee shop here in Seattle. I went in for a pack of smokes and ended up sitting with 3 fine-ass bitches smoking shisha for an hour. That was one of those strange days...

I really don't see how it would equal 60 cigs though... I'm calling bullshit on that one. 50 maybe, but 60???
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Vilham
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Bit off topic... but is that a tranny in the picture?
King_County_Downy
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Vilham wrote:

Bit off topic... but is that a tranny in the picture?
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usmarine
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Vilham wrote:

Bit off topic... but is that a tranny in the picture?
leave m3thod out of this
Turquoise
O Canada
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60 a day?  Shit, let's encourage more people to smoke this.  Population control FTW
oug
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Αργιλέδες are banned? Wow...


btw 60 my ass. It all depends what you choose to smoke. Most of the times it's this fruit flavored tobacco that's really light. Maybe if you smoke the traditional Egyptian shit... now that's rough!

Last edited by oug (2008-01-14 17:20:20)

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ghettoperson
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I very much doubt it's anything like 60, or even 6. I hate cigarettes, the one time I've tried one made me cough like crazy, but shisha on the other hand is very mild and not offensive to the lungs. I'm sure it isn't good for you, but those figures don't sound right.
Shaguart
Titties
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I have a hooka myself. Ive heard that smoking shisha for 45 minutes is equivilant to two ciggarettes. So this is complete bullshit, even if it is more than two, it cant be 60! Thats just rediculous.
Vilham
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I was more than certain that particular places such as shisha bars could get a license as all they are designed for is smoking, u cant go in and say "omg! i cant believe people are smoking in here" seeing as its purpose is to smoke shisha.
Catbox
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Bit off topic... but is that a tranny in the picture?
leave m3thod out of this
lmao... 

thats a 15 year old girl in the pic... that's what happens when you smoke the shisha....lol

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-01-14 18:10:07)

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CommieChipmunk
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Shaguart wrote:

I have a hooka myself. Ive heard that smoking shisha for 45 minutes is equivilant to two ciggarettes. So this is complete bullshit, even if it is more than two, it cant be 60! Thats just rediculous.
Two cigarettes? are you joking me?  You inhale so much smoke when you do that shit.  I would not doubt at all that you at least some 30 in a 45 minute sitting
deeznutz1245
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Hippy shit. Newports are my brand.
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BVC
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I can't have so much as one puff on a cigarette without feeling sick and getting heaps of crap in my lungs, but can smoke shisha all night and be fine.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Shaguart wrote:

I have a hooka myself. Ive heard that smoking shisha for 45 minutes is equivilant to two ciggarettes.
who ever told you that was retarded
DonFck
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TeamZephyr wrote:

Wrong, with Shisha you inhale steam not the harmful smoke/tobacco. These anti-smoking groups will say ANYTHING to get things banned.
A hookah (the thing you smoke with) is basically a large, sophisticated bong. Tobacco smoke is filtered, cooled down through water, then inhaled through a tube/hose. Where did you get the idea that the smoke would at some point magically turn into steam? The smoke feels softer because it's cooled down, but it's smoke nevertheless.
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TeamZephyr
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DonFck wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Wrong, with Shisha you inhale steam not the harmful smoke/tobacco. These anti-smoking groups will say ANYTHING to get things banned.
A hookah (the thing you smoke with) is basically a large, sophisticated bong. Tobacco smoke is filtered, cooled down through water, then inhaled through a tube/hose. Where did you get the idea that the smoke would at some point magically turn into steam? The smoke feels softer because it's cooled down, but it's smoke nevertheless.
I've never smoked tobacco in a shisha, you place a large piece of charcoal on top of alumiunium foil and light it, you have flavoured fruit crap in the middle which gives it flavour.
m3thod
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Kmarion wrote:

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Holy fuck it's Bradford.  The 'girl' is just your usual Asian (not oriental Asian) chav loser.
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konfusion
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Shisha is at least as harmful as smoking... I couldn't care less, tbh: I don't go to Shisha bars anyways, because I can't stand smoke. I go to smoke-free pubs

-konfusion
oug
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TeamZephyr wrote:

DonFck wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Wrong, with Shisha you inhale steam not the harmful smoke/tobacco. These anti-smoking groups will say ANYTHING to get things banned.
A hookah (the thing you smoke with) is basically a large, sophisticated bong. Tobacco smoke is filtered, cooled down through water, then inhaled through a tube/hose. Where did you get the idea that the smoke would at some point magically turn into steam? The smoke feels softer because it's cooled down, but it's smoke nevertheless.
I've never smoked tobacco in a shisha, you place a large piece of charcoal on top of alumiunium foil and light it, you have flavoured fruit crap in the middle which gives it flavour.
dude, that flavored fruit crap is tobacco...
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ghettoperson
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Wikipedia, so feel free to look for a better source

Today's media sometimes suggests that hookah can be a more health threatening activity than smoking cigarettes. Research suggests that a session of hookah tobacco smoking (tobacco molasses) which lasts 45 minutes delivers slightly more tar and carbon monoxide (around 5-10%) than a packet of cigarettes.[7] This study has, however, come under criticism for using unrealistically high temperatures for the tobacco (600-650 degrees C) and using arbitrary figures for tar filtration rates.[citation needed] This could possibly have skewed results, as the carcinogenic and toxin levels of smoke increases dramatically with temperature (Wynder 1958). Common practice is to keep temperatures to degrees which do not "char" the hookah; that is within a temperature range of 100-150 C. (Chaouachi K: Patologie associate all'uso del narghile). The effects of these lower temperatures on tar are inconclusive, though Chaouachi indicates the tar would be less harmful.

Some hookah tobaccos claim to contain 0.0% Tar, but this is misleading due to the fact that tar is created when tobacco burns.

However, research has indicated that the use of the hookah may reduce comparative cancer risks, though such studies are not conclusive (Hoffman[8], Rakower, Salem 1983 and 90, Gupta Dheeraj 2001, Tandon 1995, Lubin 1992, Hazelton 2001, Stirling 1979). The levels of carbon monoxide produced during a hookah session varies widely depending on the type of coal used. Japanese charcoals are thought to produce lower amounts of carbon monoxide. However there is a notable difference in areas of carbon monoxide absorption, in that while cigarettes have a notable effect on the small respiratory tracts rather, shisha smoking mostly affects the major airways (Bakir 1991, Kiter). This means a lessened FEV vs FEV1/FVC ratio compared to cigarettes, which is believed to be less harmful for the airways long-term.

A popular article by K Chaouachi, a French researcher who has been studying hookah usage and effects throughout the world since 1997, highlighted the mistakes and errors made by the WHO TobReg in its report[9]. The WHO TobReg's report is used in a lot of media articles about hookah smoking and its effects. Chaouachi also authored a book[10] in 2007 which offers a complete look at data collected from his studies on hookahs and hookah users.

Hookahs can also be smoked with herbal flavours. These contain Sugar Cane Bagasse with no tobacco, nicotine or tar. The popular brands are Soex, Highlife & Black Label. This new method of smoking is aimed at replacing tobacco and thus eliminating its negative health effects. Since no reported problems have arisen with the use of herbal shisha, there has been no need for any more extensive studies. The studies that have been done have shown that smoking herbal shisha as opposed to tobacco will greatly reduce the health risks associated with smoking tobacco.[11]

Many articles[12] suggest that there is simply not enough research to provide answers to determine the effects of hookah smoking. Research is under way by Fogarty International Center-funded Syrian Center for Tobacco Studies, Egyptian Smoking Prevention Research Institute, Research for International Tobacco Control-funded Tobacco Prevention and Control Research Group at the American University of Beirut, Lebanon.
So doesn't sound anything like 60 cigarettes. TBH, I'm surprised it's as high as a packet, but then as it says most research is inconclusive.
FatherTed
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i smoked lots of shisha with my german xchange student a few years back. good times.
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Mekstizzle
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It aint got shit to do with religion. They're just trying to bring that up as an excuse the whole Shisha/Hookah shit aint even Arab/Muslim anyway. But yeah, since the smoking indoors ban was created it's pretty much ruined all the Shisha bars. Which is a shame because you could have a good night at a place where they serve drink and shisha, UK government as usual ruining everything fun thus creating even more chav idiots on the street.

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