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When you are commanding, the more points your team gets the higher your score is. Commander gets nothing for kills or caps. When I have to help capping a base I'll even walk out of the cap radius to give the full points to someone else if I can. Or hand over a kill to a team mate.  Thats not my job to be fighting on the field anyways,  Just to guide my team to victory.

GeoEnvi wrote:

4) Set it to autopilot and cruise upward,

Autopilot?

GeoEnvi wrote:

I use VOIP frequently (many of my SLs will say TOO MUCH!) so delivering orders is never a problem via my joystick control.  I've also mapped useful replies and acknowledgments to facilitate easy communications.

Not every Squad Leader or Squad member has VOIP available for whatever reason.  There for it does no good.

washow wrote:

-=Stekhuset=-Bleppen wrote:

flying commanders or commanders in any vehicles are now a violation of the ROE

§2.3 You may not deliberately hinder your own team or acting in such as way as to cause team mates unavoidable deaths or team losses.
§ Commander flying or in a vehicle instead of commanding

http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/ … .php?t=251

GAH NOOBS

that cmd flying instead of cmding only applies to EA servers

don't just repeat what other people's saying

READ CAREFULLY

Or servers where this rule is enforced... So dont whine if your kicked for it... The Admins are well within their rights.

it is possible to command to a high standard and fly at teh same time.

Although it kinda pointless

OpsChief wrote:

OK after much thought I am fine with the enemy commander flying his jet.

ya, enemy commanders, but you wouldnt want your own commander doing this!

GeoEnvi wrote:

The result of my multi-tasking.... we win!

what are you, retarded?  both commanding and flying are full time jobs!

GeoEnvi wrote:

1) Being actively involved in the action is when commanders do their best work

no, prone in a safe place is where commanders do thier best work.

GeoEnvi wrote:

2) There's no "point whoring" involved.  My kills are not points for me

exactly, the amount of jet kills that you get are less than a dedicated pilot would be getting.  jets dont point whore, they do combat support, an important part of a team effort.

GeoEnvi wrote:

3) Having a bird's eye view negates the need for me to constantly check the minimap for your locations.  Even better, it shows me where THEIR locations are too.  Lotsa stationary and moving squares are what I like to see... and BOMB!

the commander view IS a birds eye view, no need to use the minimap.  and yes it shows you where they are, what does that have to do with your ability to command?

GeoEnvi wrote:

4) Using the BattleCon 2005 laptop computer is easy.  Set it to autopilot and cruise upward, get out the laptop, and drop arty/supplies/UAV with EASE.  The only tricky part are radar scans.  I better have a clear path for that.

uav placement is a fulltime job, the time used to command on "auto pilot" could be time that a real pilot could do combat support.

GeoEnvi wrote:

5) Who cares if I use a jet/chopper that's sitting UNUSED at the spawn becuase a bunch of privates and corporals haven't figured out how to pilot without crashing?  For that matter, who cares if unused TOW/AA/transports are commandeered by your faithful commander?

so you know how good everyone is?  did you ask?  i know that i kick ass in a jet, like the flying commander is gonna just land and give up his plane.  i care if you comandeer any air vehicle, because you cant do both at once, same goes for land vehicles and statics unless the commander gives it up when asked.

GeoEnvi wrote:

6) Stop crying about a commander with wings if you won't even FOLLOW ORDERS to begin with.

and if i do follow orders?

look dude it comes down to this, commanding is a full time job, you said youself that you cannot rely on your squad leaders for dropping arty/uav/supplies.  you need to anylise the map constantly to see how your team is moving and how the enemy is, and give orders/drop arty/uav/supplies based on this.

same goes for the jet, full time job, you can constantly support your team by destorying enemy armor and air assets.  and if you dont give ampel support, assaulting troops wont get anywhere, especially as usmc on wake.

Whoa, hold your horses there Rog!  You asked for the flame and you're gonna get it....

Here's REALLY "What's Happening, Now!"...

1) It would be nice to see your stats so I know with whom/what I contend.

2) I am not 'retarded'.  While some cannot multi-task, I am fully competent.  There are probably others that can do it, too.  If either takes up your FULL time, we aren't playing the same game.

3) "Prone and in a safe place" is where the weak hide.

4) A commander on a bomb run is just as effective IN THE LONG RUN as a 'dedicated pilot'.  The only difference is that the dedicated pilot gets the kills AND points.  Is THAT the real issue here: that a pilot isn't getting his "entitled" points?  Tough shit.  Move to a different server.  Who says commanders aren't entitled to work on the K/D rations too?

5) When I said minimap I meant "Commander Map".  Is that better.  Why wait for the scan or UAV to refresh? A pilot-commander can see in REAL TIME where the enemy/battles are waging war.

6) I'm catching on now!  Roger is upset that a commander takes away HIS chance at points/scores/stats/bragging rights/ego trips/etc...  I don't care that you 'kick ass in a jet'.  That's good.  Find an EMPTY vehicle or ANOTHER SERVER and THEN you can show off your skills.

7) If you DO follow orders? You are in the minority - SAD TO SAY!

8) CAUTION *** *** ***FLAMES AHEAD!!!: STFU!

Let me re-iterate....

SOME commanders can do both at once.  A LOT of people try at both and suck, but there SOME people that can do both SOMETIMES on SOME maps.  Apparently, Rog spent as much time reading my original post as he did spell checking his own....

Geo, your wrong and here's why.

The Sat Scan takes too long to complete while your flying.  As not every squad on the map can have the UAV all the time, the Sat Scan is an important tool to help squads spot enemy units.  On most maps, the terrain is rugged and littered with obstacles that cause you to make violent manuevers to avoid on a bombing run.  99% of the time, I do not have UAV support as a squad leader.  This doesn't bother me as I'm used to fighting without it.  However, I love having the commander point out enemy units with the sat scan to me.  I can usually take or defend a position if I know what I'm up against. 

The Sat Scan also gives the commander insight into spec ops teams trying to go for those all import commander tools. 

As someone said in a different thread, " I don't hide, I take a strategic location to influence the battle."  I happen to agree with that statement.  But that location is not in a fighter jet for the entire round as some like to be.

BUDFORCE wrote:

and I know this is going down teh whoole flaming thing road, but roger smith, I dont think you really know what your talking about, sorry.

how so?


oh and i forgot one other thing geo.  a good commander also protects/repairs his assets as engineer, supplies are for defenders and assaulters.  he also spots units that arent seen by the team.

thank goodness for reason!

Hoosyourdaddy wrote:

I constantly see the term multitasking misused. Multitasking by definition is splitting your 'thinking' resources between 2 or more  items - not to do all at  100%, but to complete them all PARTIALLY at once.

If you are in a jet, and being chased by another jet - you cannot scan/uav/arty while dodging! So while you are dodging, you are not doing the commander job. Which (to do well) you need to spend a lot of time on....

I guess if you have more "thinking" resources you call split them up into more resource allocations, Hoos!


(What is it with these "unarmed" combatants engaging in an intellectual and esoteric flame war with me?  COMBINED they have LESS commander points than I do and have taken longer to get them!)

My last post...

... unless provoked by further ignorance.

Last edited by GeoEnvi (2006-02-13 20:24:24)

Well Geoenvi, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I've never seen a good commander in a jet. Admittedly, I've never see you play, but I've heard everything you've said before, and I still dont believe it. You might be able to fly a jet and command, but you cant do both at once. You're either flying, or you're commanding; you have to take time away from one to do the other.

Unless you're playing in small games where there arent enough people interested in the commandership and aircraft, you should pick one or the other. I know for a fact that in a full server there are very rarely vehicles sitting around for the taking, and even more rarely is the command position open. In other words, you're taking up two positions and doing a sub-par job with both. Now, I'm not saying that you can't scrape by in the command position while flying, because I myself have done it on rare occasions when both the plane/chopper and commander seat were empty, but I do know I could not do both to the best of my ability.



Now I hate to bring stats into this, but you opened the door Geoenvi.

I've looked at your stats, and you have an impressive win/loss ratio, which seems to lend credence to your "i command and fly, and because of this I win" theory. Thats great, but most of the +2.0 win ratios I've seen were on exceptional players, which you are not. I dont mean to sound like an asshole here, what I'm saying is for one person to affect the outcome for his entire team he/she has to be very, very good. You may look at my own ratio and say the same thing, and you'd be right. The only reason my win ratio is so high is because lots of enemies tend to die when i get into a helicopter.

On closer inspection, it looks like your ratio took a sudden leap on december 29th, and has been rising steadily ever since. I did the math, and your ratio since december 29th is close to 5:1. Now unless you're actually a stupendous badass and your stats dont reflect that, or you play with some very good friends, it looks like you've been teamswitching for teh win. Again, I have nothing to back this up except my own experience and intuition, but there are very few people I have ever seen with anything above a 4:1 ratio, and those people definitely are stupendous badasses, and usually play with other stupendous badasses on their team. Take a look at the BSF clan, who (despite their lack of morally inspiring teamplay) are very good players.

Since I started writing this, you've made a couple more replies which I'd like to respond to. Your commander score is definitely higher than my own, I can't argue with that. However, you've made some interesting comments as to the commanding ability of other people on this thread, so I thought I'd compare the two of us. I did some more math with my handy windows calculator and found that you make, on average, 2.35 points per minute as commander, while I make 2.75. According to your logic, this might mean I'm a better commander than you, or you might just suck. Ill let history decide that.

Now lets go into your combat and teamwork scores. You've made a big deal out of the roger smith's scores, so lets see how you compare. In your 34 hours of aviation, you've killed 1200 people. Now I don't fly very often as you can probably see from my stats. 30 hours in 780 total gameplay, and im the first to admit I'm not the best pilot around. Despite that I've killed almost twice as many people as you with less time in the vehicle, which I guess means you really suck with jets, or perhaps you're not as good at multitasking and flying as you think you are.

Your next comment is my favorite!  "i play every role in the game".  Yes you do - you have all the expert combat badges.  BUT... its very evident you like to WHORE IT UP: a) in jets 200 out of 980 hours=20% b) on Wake a whopping 340/900 hours=>33%! c) as an AT kit 200/900 hours!.   You really know the right "tool-kit" for the job!  In fact, you might just be THAT tool!

How about we take a gander at your kit times? youve been a Medic for 131:56:25 and Special-Ops for 111:36:18. Out of a total of 423:21:34. Now I'm sure you passed grade school, you sound reasonably intelligent. Lets talk about percentages, you've spent about 30% of your time as medic, and 26% as spec-ops, compared to roger smith's 22% time as anti tank. Which one of you does that make a tool? Obviously you've spent less time in vehicles, but looking at your stats I'd have to say that's because you're just not very good in one.

All in all, we have similar AVERAGE SPM score HOWEVER he earned his in the AIR while I earned my ON THE GROUND

Lets talk about your work on the ground. According to your bf2s stat page, these are your kit weapon Totals:
Time 223:22:07 (kills) 6,373 (deaths) 7,478
Without using vehicles, your kill ratio would be below 1:1, so perhaps you shouldnt insult other people's combat proficiency?

Feel free to take shots at my stats, you wont tell me anything I dont already know

Consider yourself provoked by my ignorance, I'd like to hear your response.