Normally i'm alright with murder as long as it's personal or in defense. But not for religious reasons! Goddamn i hate the left.
In case you hadn't noticed left wingers generally aren't very religious and are generally extremely secular. Right wingers on the other hand are Evangelical Christians and all sorts of weird and wonderful religions.David.P wrote:
Normally i'm alright with murder as long as it's personal or in defense. But not for religious reasons! Goddamn i hate the left.
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Sounds like you are on the brink of inventing your own religion there David ...David.P wrote:
Normally i'm alright with murder as long as it's personal or in defense. But not for religious reasons! Goddamn i hate the left.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
When Islam was created, violence was the main way of spreading it out.
Mohammad was a fierce warrior, raiding villages and towns, killing anyone who didn't convert.
The reason that there are so many Muslims these days is because their ancestors chickened out and decided not to stick to their believes and convert.
Mohammad was not a "kind person" as Muslims think he was, if he were alive today he would most likely be defined as a terrorist.
Islam may be peaceful here and there, but its violent. Just like in ancient times, it seeks to conquer the world.
Back then they were stopped in Spain, but these days Islamic communities are rising up everywhere, and they can be pretty violent.
Mohammad was a fierce warrior, raiding villages and towns, killing anyone who didn't convert.
The reason that there are so many Muslims these days is because their ancestors chickened out and decided not to stick to their believes and convert.
Mohammad was not a "kind person" as Muslims think he was, if he were alive today he would most likely be defined as a terrorist.
Islam may be peaceful here and there, but its violent. Just like in ancient times, it seeks to conquer the world.
Back then they were stopped in Spain, but these days Islamic communities are rising up everywhere, and they can be pretty violent.
And how was Christianity spread i wonder, or any other religion ?Shadowolf wrote:
When Islam was created, violence was the main way of spreading it out.
Mohammad was a fierce warrior, raiding villages and towns, killing anyone who didn't convert.
The reason that there are so many Muslims these days is because their ancestors chickened out and decided not to stick to their believes and convert.
Mohammad was not a "kind person" as Muslims think he was, if he were alive today he would most likely be defined as a terrorist.
Islam may be peaceful here and there, but its violent. Just like in ancient times, it seeks to conquer the world.
Back then they were stopped in Spain, but these days Islamic communities are rising up everywhere, and they can be pretty violent.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
I know. But tell me why does the left support a religion like Islam but yet bashes one called Judaism? Tell me why must they not be offended while the other can be? Tell me why is it ok to bash israel and america for their foreign policy but not saudi arabia for telling their people to islamize the west?CameronPoe wrote:
In case you hadn't noticed left wingers generally aren't very religious and are generally extremely secular. Right wingers on the other hand are Evangelical Christians and all sorts of weird and wonderful religions.David.P wrote:
Normally i'm alright with murder as long as it's personal or in defense. But not for religious reasons! Goddamn i hate the left.
First by the Peter and his followers for the first 300 years using words and wisdom, Then by the romans using their swords and warfare for the next 300.Varegg wrote:
And how was Christianity spread i wonder, or any other religion ?Shadowolf wrote:
When Islam was created, violence was the main way of spreading it out.
Mohammad was a fierce warrior, raiding villages and towns, killing anyone who didn't convert.
The reason that there are so many Muslims these days is because their ancestors chickened out and decided not to stick to their believes and convert.
Mohammad was not a "kind person" as Muslims think he was, if he were alive today he would most likely be defined as a terrorist.
Islam may be peaceful here and there, but its violent. Just like in ancient times, it seeks to conquer the world.
Back then they were stopped in Spain, but these days Islamic communities are rising up everywhere, and they can be pretty violent.
I don't support any religion. I'm a secular atheist and think that all should be viewed equal under the eyes of the state. Judaism is equal to Islam is equal to Buddhism is equal to Christianity in my eyes. What you seem to fail to be able to do is to separate two distinctly different types of thing: Israel - a supposedly pluralistic democratic state, and Judaism - a religion. I don't bash Judaism. All religions are equally as quaint as each other in my view. I think you'll find I've bashed the Saudis in several threads of my own creation and if you ask me about various acts of terrorism I will call them out for the acts of malicious and cruel cowardice they are. But don't for one moment think that just because Israeli government officials wear suits and speak in American accents that they are much different from the terrorists of Hisb'allah, etc. Terrorism and immoral behaviour has many forms and many faces.David.P wrote:
I know. But tell me why does the left support a religion like Islam but yet bashes one called Judaism? Tell me why must they not be offended while the other can be? Tell me why is it ok to bash israel and america for their foreign policy but not saudi arabia for telling their people to islamize the west?
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as long as people have jobs, and their kids a future, Islam has little chance to present any danger to western societies. Look at Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Rich, happy people. No danger to anyone. They'd much rather sell you their oil, and in return buy your fancy sports cars, than chop your heads off.
As far as the cultural impact of muslims in western society is concerned, well, that's evolution. You can't stop that anyway. The world is a diverse place.
As far as the cultural impact of muslims in western society is concerned, well, that's evolution. You can't stop that anyway. The world is a diverse place.
lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't support any religion. I'm a secular atheist and think that all should be viewed equal under the eyes of the state. Judaism is equal to Islam is equal to Buddhism is equal to Christianity in my eyes. What you seem to fail to be able to do is to separate two distinctly different types of thing: Israel - a supposedly pluralistic democratic state, and Judaism - a religion. I don't bash Judaism. All religions are equally as quaint as each other in my view. I think you'll find I've bashed the Saudis in several threads of my own creation and if you ask me about various acts of terrorism I will call them out for the acts of malicious and cruel cowardice they are. But don't for one moment think that just because Israeli government officials wear suits and speak in American accents that they are much different from the terrorists of Hisb'allah, etc. Terrorism and immoral behaviour has many forms and many faces.David.P wrote:
I know. But tell me why does the left support a religion like Islam but yet bashes one called Judaism? Tell me why must they not be offended while the other can be? Tell me why is it ok to bash israel and america for their foreign policy but not saudi arabia for telling their people to islamize the west?
Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?M.O.A.B wrote:
lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.
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well done on countering his argument....now move along.M.O.A.B wrote:
lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't support any religion. I'm a secular atheist and think that all should be viewed equal under the eyes of the state. Judaism is equal to Islam is equal to Buddhism is equal to Christianity in my eyes. What you seem to fail to be able to do is to separate two distinctly different types of thing: Israel - a supposedly pluralistic democratic state, and Judaism - a religion. I don't bash Judaism. All religions are equally as quaint as each other in my view. I think you'll find I've bashed the Saudis in several threads of my own creation and if you ask me about various acts of terrorism I will call them out for the acts of malicious and cruel cowardice they are. But don't for one moment think that just because Israeli government officials wear suits and speak in American accents that they are much different from the terrorists of Hisb'allah, etc. Terrorism and immoral behaviour has many forms and many faces.David.P wrote:
I know. But tell me why does the left support a religion like Islam but yet bashes one called Judaism? Tell me why must they not be offended while the other can be? Tell me why is it ok to bash israel and america for their foreign policy but not saudi arabia for telling their people to islamize the west?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I always laugh when they try to say it's a Religion of Peace. Islam was founded on fighting, killing and converting the Arab Tribes in Saudi Arabia.
Much like Christianity, it evolved. We did the same shit ourselves (former Christian here).Mek-Izzle wrote:
I always laugh when they try to say it's a Religion of Peace. Islam was founded on fighting, killing and converting the Arab Tribes in Saudi Arabia.
Nah, but at least Christianity wasn't (from the very beginning) a religion of violence. Jesus (assuming he exists and really was the founder) didn't seem like a bad guy that killed anyone. Certainly didn't do half the shit Muhammad seemed to have done.
Christianity seemed pretty peaceful in the beginning. Of course the Romans hijacked it, and so did various other people for personal gain. Twisted the original message and then spread it through Europe where it's been downhill ever since.
Christianity seemed pretty peaceful in the beginning. Of course the Romans hijacked it, and so did various other people for personal gain. Twisted the original message and then spread it through Europe where it's been downhill ever since.
Christianity was peaceful in the beginning but you have to remember that Christ isn't where it started - it started in the Old Testament, which is full of tales of bloodlust and carnage.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Nah, but at least Christianity wasn't (from the very beginning) a religion of violence. Jesus (assuming he exists and really was the founder) didn't seem like a bad guy that killed anyone. Certainly didn't do half the shit Muhammad seemed to have done.
Christianity seemed pretty peaceful in the beginning. Of course the Romans hijacked it, and so did various other people for personal gain. Twisted the original message and then spread it through Europe where it's been downhill ever since.
Seconded. Despite what Lowing and co may claim, I'm no fan of Radical Islam, but the key word there is Radical. That article makes it out to be the whole religion are sitting in their homes, sharpening their swords ready rush out and kill all the wonderful God fearing Christians out there. The BBC article however, is fine as it's actually news, rather than an editorial, as m3th pointed out. Using that as a source is like using Bill O'Reilly as a source. It just makes you look stupid.Burwhale the Avenger wrote:
DeathBecomesYu hit the nail on the head. Radical Islam is the problem. Most Muslims want to live their lives just like the rest of us.
I checked the site in the OP, "http://www.humanevents.com" and I have never seen so much right wing bullshit in my life. Its a totally biased, one eyed veiw of the world. I am not denying that some of the events happened, however the article and the rest of the site is not a creditable source of information. You will only get one version of events on that site. Forget balanced opinion. It does nothing but encourage hate and fear.
Christianity stemmed from the teachings of Christ. While the old testament is part of the whole package, it is not really the beginning of Christianity as a religion.CameronPoe wrote:
Christianity was peaceful in the beginning but you have to remember that Christ isn't where it started - it started in the Old Testament, which is full of tales of bloodlust and carnage.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Islam itself doesn't pose a danger...its the radical form of Islam that does. Saudi Arabia is a bad example here because they are behind a lot of the radicalism going on around the middle east. The leaders of that country are the ones rolling in the dough and laughing at our obsession with oil. But again, we have to remember that RADICAL Islam does pose a danger to a lot of people Muslim and non Muslim alike in many parts of the world. As long as it thrives it will be a danger.B.Schuss wrote:
as long as people have jobs, and their kids a future, Islam has little chance to present any danger to western societies. Look at Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Rich, happy people. No danger to anyone. They'd much rather sell you their oil, and in return buy your fancy sports cars, than chop your heads off.
As far as the cultural impact of Muslims in western society is concerned, well, that's evolution. You can't stop that anyway. The world is a diverse place.
People get emotional about this subject because terrorism is all we hear about in the news and when a lot of people see a normal Muslim who wouldn't hurt a soul (like my own wife) wearing a traditional Muslim outfit...they tend to think of the worst thing that we are fed every night in the news. Islam itself is being high jacked and used as an excuse to kill. A true Muslim knows that radicals do not belong and are perverting their religion. The problem is that radical Islam is attacking not only non Muslims but also true Muslims who just want the freedom to practice their religion like everyone else. People in here need to make that distinction. RADICAL Islam is what causes so much of the chaos we see and read about....not Islam itself.
I will have to agree that there are a lot of bad things written in the laws of Islam, there are many forms of Sharia law that are barbaric or outdated but Islam must go through the growing pains just like Christianity did. How long will it take? Will secular Muslims stand up and take their religion back? Will Radical Islam become the standard for most Islamic countries....no one really knows until the dust settles.
I gave a BBC link. It did happen. There is no denying.Burwhale the Avenger wrote:
I am not denying that some of the events happened
I mean my god I cannot believe people can even compare the two. It fucking sickens me to think that people out there believe it is on the same level.Stingray24 wrote:
ZOMG pyramid of buttcrack eees tortuuuure! *runs around waiving hands*usmarine2005 wrote:
Wait a second. Putting panties on a prisoners head and chopping off a school girls head is not the same level. It ain't even the same building.Marconius wrote:
That incident brought us down to the level of the extremists, when there we are, supposedly bringing about a new and better way of life for the society we are occupying.
agreed. FFS how many times are they going to miss the point and make these threads? u guys do realize that white christians have beheaded each other for their own reasons, right? its not because they are christian or muslim. its because they are people and we have an exceptionally wide range of behaviors, from altruistic to sadistic.Marconius wrote:
The key words in the article are zealots and radicals, neither one representing the Whole of Islam.
You seem to miss my point ffs.Marinejuana wrote:
agreed. FFS how many times are they going to miss the point and make these threads? u guys do realize that white christians have beheaded each other for their own reasons, right? its not because they are christian or muslim. its because they are people and we have an exceptionally wide range of behaviors, from altruistic to sadistic.Marconius wrote:
The key words in the article are zealots and radicals, neither one representing the Whole of Islam.
You're the good guys remember. You're not meant to even THINK of putting together an iraqi buttcrack orgy.usmarine2005 wrote:
I mean my god I cannot believe people can even compare the two. It fucking sickens me to think that people out there believe it is on the same level.Stingray24 wrote:
ZOMG pyramid of buttcrack eees tortuuuure! *runs around waiving hands*usmarine2005 wrote:
Wait a second. Putting panties on a prisoners head and chopping off a school girls head is not the same level. It ain't even the same building.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Yeah here's the major difference, Palestinian civilians are not intentionally targeted, they die as a result of collateral damage, like every war involving urban areas. Israeli civilians are the target for Hezbollah. So going by your logic, because civilians are killed in collateral damage because they attacked the guy firing rockets at them they are terrorists. OK, so how about in other wars involving the US, UK and other NATO members when civilians were ACCIDENTALLY killed, all of them terrorists as well?CameronPoe wrote:
Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?M.O.A.B wrote:
lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.