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2008-01-22 10:45:38
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6763

ghettoperson wrote:

That article makes it out to be the whole religion are sitting in their homes, sharpening their swords ready rush out and kill all the wonderful God fearing Christians out there. The BBC article however, is fine as it's actually news, rather than an editorial, as m3th pointed out. Using that as a source is like using Bill O'Reilly as a source. It just makes you look stupid.
I think you're calling me stupid. Or am I wrong? Because I certainly found that source a piece of entertainment, not of factual significance. I posted that article for sole entertainment, and this debate has certainly extended that!
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2008-01-22 10:49:32
usmarine
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m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


ZOMG pyramid of buttcrack eees tortuuuure!  *runs around waiving hands*
I mean my god I cannot believe people can even compare the two.  It fucking sickens me to think that people out there believe it is on the same level.
You're the good guys remember.  You're not meant to even THINK of putting together an iraqi buttcrack orgy. 
Not sure where you got that from.  Some little jab you euros made up or something.  If I remember correctly, we said we would hunt down and kill or capture al-q.  And that is what we are trying to do.  Of course we think we are the good guys, so do they.  However, we do not chop of heads of school girls in the name of the US.
2008-01-22 10:58:29
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7084

Im_Dooomed wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

That article makes it out to be the whole religion are sitting in their homes, sharpening their swords ready rush out and kill all the wonderful God fearing Christians out there. The BBC article however, is fine as it's actually news, rather than an editorial, as m3th pointed out. Using that as a source is like using Bill O'Reilly as a source. It just makes you look stupid.
I think you're calling me stupid. Or am I wrong? Because I certainly found that source a piece of entertainment, not of factual significance. I posted that article for sole entertainment, and this debate has certainly extended that!
It obviously depends how you view the article. If you see it as a factual piece of news, then yes, you're stupid. If you see it as one persons (rather narrow minded, IMHO) view of an event then you are not.
2008-01-22 11:06:38
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6887|Cambridge, UK

I hate Extremists......

* Islam Extremists
* Christian Extremists
* and Forum Extremists

all three above hold the same basic views with different details.... its all just extreme hate and intolerance
2008-01-22 11:07:04
David.P
Banned
+649|6709

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.
Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?
One targets and kills civie's on purpose, The other does not do it intentionally.
2008-01-22 11:07:53
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7197

KylieTastic wrote:

its all just extreme hate and intolerance
Maybe, but I do not think people on this forum go around chopping off heads in the name of their beliefs.
2008-01-22 11:20:21
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6658|Escea

David.P wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.
Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?
One targets and kills civie's on purpose, The other does not do it intentionally.
Exactly
2008-01-22 11:21:11
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|7102

Varegg wrote:

Neither Poe, myself or any of the "feel good crew" have ever supported radical Islam - our point is that there is a difference between radical and secular Muslims, and believe or not lowing most Muslims aren't radical ...
True, most Muslims aren't radical, but there are enough of them to scare the non-radical Muslims from doing anything about them.
2008-01-22 11:21:22
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7056|London, England

usmarine2005 wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

its all just extreme hate and intolerance
Maybe, but I do not think people on this forum go around chopping off heads in the name of their beliefs.
m3thod and P come close
2008-01-22 11:34:16
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6887|Cambridge, UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

its all just extreme hate and intolerance
Maybe, but I do not think people on this forum go around chopping off heads in the name of their beliefs.
No but frankly its because people tolerate/support such extreme views on the Internet (and other non-active groups in RL) that the real extremist nut jobs have a place for there hate to grow.

Especially when, as often happens on here, someone doesn't 100% agree they are labelled as the enemy.... its this passive acceptance that breeds not only these terrorists but allowed things such as the Nazi party or the KKK to grow.

Do you not think a Muslim reading stuff like this might not be pushed more and more extreme and end up joining an active terrorist group, or on the other side a Christian Kid grows up with such hate and fear of Muslims they join up and then when out on active service takes things to far and kill innocents in cold blood (as was know to happen in previous wars).
2008-01-22 11:38:09
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|7102

B.Schuss wrote:

as long as people have jobs, and their kids a future, Islam has little chance to present any danger to western societies. Look at Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Rich, happy people. No danger to anyone. They'd much rather sell you their oil, and in return buy your fancy sports cars, than chop your heads off.

As far as the cultural impact of muslims in western society is concerned, well, that's evolution. You can't stop that anyway. The world is a diverse place.
You do realize that Bin Laden inherited millions from his father's construction company...  he was living the playboy life in Beirut back in the 70's.



"Every time a soft drink is sold in the world, there is a chilling possibility that Osama Bin Laden's wealth increases - and with it the power of his terrorist network to wage war on the West.  Most drinks contain gum Arabic, a substance that prevents particles settling in the bottom of a can or bottle. Much of it is produced in Sudan by the Gum Arabic Company, in which Bin Laden has owned a large slice."
2008-01-22 12:02:08
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6763

Ilocano wrote:

"Every time a soft drink is sold in the world, there is a chilling possibility that Osama Bin Laden's wealth increases - and with it the power of his terrorist network to wage war on the West.  Most drinks contain gum Arabic, a substance that prevents particles settling in the bottom of a can or bottle. Much of it is produced in Sudan by the Gum Arabic Company, in which Bin Laden has owned a large slice."
Thats a joke right? Even if its true, I haven't had a 'soft drink' or soda in years.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
2008-01-22 12:03:01
CameronPoe
Member
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M.O.A.B wrote:

David.P wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?
One targets and kills civie's on purpose, The other does not do it intentionally.
Exactly
lol. One intentionally strangles an entire population to death/exile with travel restrictions, economic restrictions and even restrictions on basics like an electricity supply. Throw into the mix the use of distinctly civilian unfriendly bomb technology, as witnessed to devastating effect in residential areas of Lebanon, and you have a pretty devious and barbaric mix. Murderers, plain and simple.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-22 12:05:58)

2008-01-22 12:17:23
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6935|so randum

David.P wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

lol knew a line like this would be here somewhere.
Both Israel and Hisb'allah kill many civilians for political goals or care little as to whether or not they are killing civilians. One uses airplanes, tanks, top notch military equipment and economic/power/travel restrictions; the other uses RPGS, homemade rockets and kalashnikovs. One set are trying to eradicate Israel; the other are trying to strangle the Palestinians into submission so they can have their 'greater Land of Israel'. Can you explain where I'm wrong?
One targets and kills civie's on purpose, The other does not do it intentionally.
I wouldnt exactly call the Israelis attacks carefully planned to minimise civilian casualties.

It seems to be to be "Ok lets hit our target, but don't worry if you accidently hit a hospital"

Correct me if i'm wrong.
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2008-01-22 12:17:43
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|7102

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

"Every time a soft drink is sold in the world, there is a chilling possibility that Osama Bin Laden's wealth increases - and with it the power of his terrorist network to wage war on the West.  Most drinks contain gum Arabic, a substance that prevents particles settling in the bottom of a can or bottle. Much of it is produced in Sudan by the Gum Arabic Company, in which Bin Laden has owned a large slice."
Thats a joke right? Even if its true, I haven't had a 'soft drink' or soda in years.
But have you chewed gum, rolled your own cigarette, or lit a firework.  The wonders of gum arabic.

Urban legend most likely though.  But at some point, Bin Laden did have holdings in the company.
LOL:---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gum_arabic

LOL at Snapple now calling it Gum Acacia instead of Gum Arabic...

Last edited by Ilocano (2008-01-22 12:25:04)

2008-01-22 12:22:22
Shadowolf
Member
+9|6677|Israel
Supply to the Palestinians is held back because even though we ask them nicely, they keep shooting qasam rockets at our cities, DAILY.
Its really sad whats happening in the city of Shderot, almost everyday the missile alarm goes off, I can't imagine whats its like living like that.
Mostly the missiles land in open areas, but the occasional one hits a building or a car, and sadly sometimes people.

And terrorist just LOVE to hide in civilian areas, during the 2006 war hezbolla "warriors" used civilian buildings and areas to shoot rockets from and hide their gear.
So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it.
And Lebanon had it coming, we pulled out South Lebanon, hoping they could take control of THEIR OWN GOD DAMN LAND.
But they are too fucking weak, and a whole mini-army grew there.
2008-01-22 12:23:17
CameronPoe
Member
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FatherTed wrote:

I wouldnt exactly call the Israelis attacks carefully planned to minimise civilian casualties.

It seems to be to be "Ok lets hit our target, but don't worry if you accidently hit a hospital"

Correct me if i'm wrong.
lol. Let's face it - they blew up a UN outpost containing UN workers during the Lebanon conflict! It was on top of a hill with nothing else around it!!
2008-01-22 12:32:01
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6935|so randum

CameronPoe wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I wouldnt exactly call the Israelis attacks carefully planned to minimise civilian casualties.

It seems to be to be "Ok lets hit our target, but don't worry if you accidently hit a hospital"

Correct me if i'm wrong.
lol. Let's face it - they blew up a UN outpost containing UN workers during the Lebanon conflict! It was on top of a hill with nothing else around it!!
So much for having the "best trained airforce" in the world. And all that US influence.
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2008-01-22 12:33:11
David.P
Banned
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Shadowolf wrote:

Supply to the Palestinians is held back because even though we ask them nicely, they keep shooting qasam rockets at our cities, DAILY.
Its really sad whats happening in the city of Shderot, almost everyday the missile alarm goes off, I can't imagine whats its like living like that.
Mostly the missiles land in open areas, but the occasional one hits a building or a car, and sadly sometimes people.

And terrorist just LOVE to hide in civilian areas, during the 2006 war hezbolla "warriors" used civilian buildings and areas to shoot rockets from and hide their gear.
So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it.
And Lebanon had it coming, we pulled out South Lebanon, hoping they could take control of THEIR OWN GOD DAMN LAND.
But they are too fucking weak, and a whole mini-army grew there.
Listen to this guy cam ^^^^^^^ He lives there.
2008-01-22 12:34:33
CameronPoe
Member
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David.P wrote:

Shadowolf wrote:

Supply to the Palestinians is held back because even though we ask them nicely, they keep shooting qasam rockets at our cities, DAILY.
Its really sad whats happening in the city of Shderot, almost everyday the missile alarm goes off, I can't imagine whats its like living like that.
Mostly the missiles land in open areas, but the occasional one hits a building or a car, and sadly sometimes people.

And terrorist just LOVE to hide in civilian areas, during the 2006 war hezbolla "warriors" used civilian buildings and areas to shoot rockets from and hide their gear.
So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it.
And Lebanon had it coming, we pulled out South Lebanon, hoping they could take control of THEIR OWN GOD DAMN LAND.
But they are too fucking weak, and a whole mini-army grew there.
Listen to this guy cam ^^^^^^^ He lives there.
I know both sides of the story P and I know both sides ain't saints - both the Israeli army and Hamas are a bunch of murderous cunts. He says so himself "So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it." They aren't brave enough or man enough to go in and root out the enemy the right and proper way, finding it easier to just carpet bomb thousands of people into oblivion - lowering themselves to the same level as the rocket firers near Sderot.

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2008-01-22 12:39:29
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6658|Escea

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

David.P wrote:


One targets and kills civie's on purpose, The other does not do it intentionally.
Exactly
lol. One intentionally strangles an entire population to death/exile with travel restrictions, economic restrictions and even restrictions on basics like an electricity supply. Throw into the mix the use of distinctly civilian unfriendly bomb technology, as witnessed to devastating effect in residential areas of Lebanon, and you have a pretty devious and barbaric mix. Murderers, plain and simple.
The country is run by an openly terrorist group intent on killing civilians, one because they're not Arab, two because they're Jewish. I think I'd put a travel restriction on them as well especially when they're so hard to tell apart. You might not be able to cut-off the head of the snake, but you can starve it instead. If the Palestinians want to have everything restored they should learn not to support a terrorist group thats in control of their country. If they took a stand against Hezbollah everything would end up for the better in the end.
2008-01-22 12:45:29
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7129|San Francisco
Anyways, the ultimate point of the matter still remains.  Zealots and Radicals don't represent the entirety of Islam.  If you are whining about how certain actions of the Radical muslims aren't given as much media time as the actions of the US Military at Abu Ghraib, then your beef is with the media.  If you are annoyed that people aren't yelling and rioting in the streets about the actions of a few Radicals, you should probably pay more attention to the Secular vs. Radical war going on within Islam itself.

I'll say that comparing the actions at Abu Ghraib to the actions of the Radicals was a bad point drawn up by usmarine.  The Military can be handled and court martialed.  What do you do against Radicals who have the ability to just go out and behead three girls?  Or the ability to become martyrs with suicide bombs?  You need more support than just stern handslaps and bickering from the secular/non-radical side of the religion to put a halt to them.  If everyone equates all of Islam to the actions of the Radicals, then they'll never get the support they need to put an end to the madness and atrocities like the beheaded girls will continue.
2008-01-22 12:49:59
Shadowolf
Member
+9|6677|Israel

CameronPoe wrote:

David.P wrote:

Shadowolf wrote:

Supply to the Palestinians is held back because even though we ask them nicely, they keep shooting qasam rockets at our cities, DAILY.
Its really sad whats happening in the city of Shderot, almost everyday the missile alarm goes off, I can't imagine whats its like living like that.
Mostly the missiles land in open areas, but the occasional one hits a building or a car, and sadly sometimes people.

And terrorist just LOVE to hide in civilian areas, during the 2006 war hezbolla "warriors" used civilian buildings and areas to shoot rockets from and hide their gear.
So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it.
And Lebanon had it coming, we pulled out South Lebanon, hoping they could take control of THEIR OWN GOD DAMN LAND.
But they are too fucking weak, and a whole mini-army grew there.
Listen to this guy cam ^^^^^^^ He lives there.
I know both sides of the story P and I know both sides ain't saints - both the Israeli army and Hamas are a bunch of murderous cunts. He says so himself "So if we have to bomb civilian buildings\areas to get the terrorists, that so shall be it." They aren't brave enough or man enough to go in and root out the enemy the right and proper way, finding it easier to just carpet bomb thousands of people into oblivion - lowering themselves to the same level as the rocket firers near Sderot.
Why should we risk our soldiers' lives?
Its so much easier to bomb away....

And the goal of the rockets fired at Shderot is to harm civilians in order to scare us into giving them what they want.
The bombs that were fired upon Lebanon were to destroy the Hizbolla bases or building that were known to be inhabited by hizbolla men.
We wouldn't waste money on intentionally killing or causing damage to civilians, and believe me we Jews like our money:)
Every attack initiated against Lebanon was to stop Hizbolla from becoming stronger.
2008-01-22 12:50:19
CameronPoe
Member
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M.O.A.B wrote:

The country is run by an openly terrorist group intent on killing civilians, one because they're not Arab, two because they're Jewish. I think I'd put a travel restriction on them as well especially when they're so hard to tell apart. You might not be able to cut-off the head of the snake, but you can starve it instead. If the Palestinians want to have everything restored they should learn not to support a terrorist group thats in control of their country. If they took a stand against Hezbollah everything would end up for the better in the end.
I don't quite think you're up on your knowledge of the situation in Israel/Palestine. HAMAS control GAZA. FATAH control what little the Israelis have left them of THE WEST BANK. I must correct you on your assertion regarding Hamas, an organisation I find despicable: they do not kill people just because they are not Arab - they kill whatever Israeli they can successfully launch something at. Hamas actually negotiated the release from captivity of BBC reporter Alan Johnston. Why didn't they cut his head off?

Now. I am not talking about travel restrictions in GAZA - I am talking about the concentration camps that have effectively been created in THE WEST BANK, which is controlled by a party that believes in a two state solution with a Palestinian state sitting peacefully alongside an Israeli state. Israel's policy in the West Bank is one of strangulation of the Palestinians to try and get to them to leave. It is absolutely impossible for the West Bank to have any kind of a prosperous economy - the only thing capable of normalising relations and leading to a two state solution. Israel are not interested in a two state solution you see. They'd rather visit many of the things their own kin had to suffer in the Warsaw Ghetto upon West Bank Palestinians because they want a Greater "Eretz Y'Israel".

All the Israelis have done in Palestine since the last century is take, take, take. All at the expense of the poor Palestinians.

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I thought Moses said "Thou shalt not steal".
2008-01-22 12:55:22
David.P
Banned
+649|6709
Allright cam maybe they will start going door to door again if you convince hamas and hisbollah to stop using bombs and booby traps, And make them fight like real men With knife, gun, or your bare fists! Until then Israel will keep bombing suspected hideouts.

 

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