AVP2 and the rest of the genre

2008-01-24 07:21:18

#1

Ninja_Kid2002: Member; +119|6753|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)

I went to see Alien Vs Predator 2 last night with my bro. We agreed the following ranking of the Alien/Predator franchise

Predator > Aliens > Alien > Alien 3 > Alien Resurection > AVP 2 > Predator 2 > AVP

Agree/Disagree - Discuss

2008-01-24 07:22:03

#2

andy12: Banned; +52|7143

Alien 3 was by far the shittest one.

2008-01-24 07:24:34

#3

cablecopulate: Member; +449|7223|Massachusetts.

Predator is better than Alien and Aliens?

ha.

2008-01-24 07:24:56

#4

Ninja_Kid2002: Member; +119|6753|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)

andy12 wrote:
Alien 3 was by far the shittest one.

I'll agree it certainly should have come lower than Alien Resurection in the rankings.

cablecopulate wrote:
Predator is better than Alien and Aliens?

ha.

Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.

Last edited by Ninja_Kid2002 (2008-01-24 07:25:36)

2008-01-24 07:26:47

#5

cablecopulate: Member; +449|7223|Massachusetts.

Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.

So did Eraser, what's your point?

2008-01-24 07:27:20

#6

andy12: Banned; +52|7143

Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
andy12 wrote:
Alien 3 was by far the shittest one.
I'll agree it certainly should have come lower than Alien Resurection in the rankings.

The fact that the girl dies just makes all the effort and bravery Ripley went through worthless. And I think it's the start of the computer special effects era, the Alien looks terrible.

2008-01-24 07:28:04

#7

FloppY_: +1,010|6772|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Matrix > All alien and predator related movies imho...

But i guess its:
Predator > Alien Resurection > Predator 2 > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3> AVP

I hate the old-ness of Alien and Aliens and i hated the non-existant plot in AVP...

Last edited by FloppY_ (2008-01-24 07:28:29)

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2008-01-24 07:31:46

#8

andy12: Banned; +52|7143

What ever happened to that fuck ugly Alien in Alien Resurrection? Why aren't there any in AVP/AVP2?

https://www.nightmarefactory.com/AR108.jpg

2008-01-24 07:31:48

#9

theDude5B: Cool member; +805|7236

O MY GOD!

What are you kids talking about!

Predator was good, but not better than Alien and Aliens!

@Floppy, wtf, Alien Resurection > those others?! You hate the oldness of Alien and Aliens?! What do you hate the oldness of Star Wars, Indianna Jones, Back to the Future?

Alien 2 > Alien > Predator > Predator 2 > Alien Resurection > Alien 3 > AVP (not seen AVP2)

2008-01-24 07:33:43

#10

Ninja_Kid2002: Member; +119|6753|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)

cablecopulate wrote:
Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.
So did Eraser, what's your point?

My point, which I didn't make very well, was that all pre-1994 Arnie films are catagorically awesome without exception, question or caveat.

FloppY_ wrote:
Matrix > All alien and predator related movies imho...

But i guess its:
Predator > Alien Resurection > Predator 2 > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3> AVP

I hate the old-ness of Alien and Aliens and i hated the non-existant plot in AVP...

I'd agree with you about "The Matrix", but Reloaded and Revolutions lost my faith.
Can't believe you put alien resurection and predator 2 so high.

2008-01-24 07:36:58

#11

andy12: Banned; +52|7143

andy12 wrote:
What ever happened to that fuck ugly Alien in Alien Resurrection? Why aren't there any in AVP/AVP2?

http://www.nightmarefactory.com/AR108.jpg

I want to cut it's nose off with a Stanley knife...

2008-01-24 07:39:00

#12

cablecopulate: Member; +449|7223|Massachusetts.

Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
My point, which I didn't make very well, was that all pre-1994 Arnie films are catagorically awesome without exception, question or caveat.

Last Action Hero, want to revise your statement further?

2008-01-24 07:41:50

#13

Ninja_Kid2002: Member; +119|6753|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)

cablecopulate wrote:
Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
My point, which I didn't make very well, was that all pre-1994 Arnie films are catagorically awesome without exception, question or caveat.
Last Action Hero, want to revise your statement further?

FACT: Last Action Hero is awesome, the entire film Arnie takes the piss out of every film he's ever made!

"Sure, I'm Arnold Brownscwieger, the famous comedian!"

2008-01-24 07:42:49

#14

cablecopulate: Member; +449|7223|Massachusetts.

oh, ok.

2008-01-24 07:43:23

#15

DonFck: Hibernator; +3,227|7117|Finland

cablecopulate wrote:
Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.
So did Eraser, what's your point?

And Kindergarten Cop.

IMHO:

Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 = A trilogy, and a bloody good one at that. Aliens is still in my opinion the best sci-fi-action-thriller ever made. Nicely named genre, I know.

Alien - Resurrection = Cashin in on the franchise a bit, but still getting a somewhat good end-result (except for that stupid looking alien-human thig which I've mentioned earlier)

Predator = A classic action movie, yet has nothing on the Alien trilogy. Alien 1, 2 & 3 are far smarter movies than Predator, which is just an alien guy wearing a cloaking device, killing people. Whoopde-doo. That same thing works in the Alien movies, because there's just a certain atmosphere that can be done with a huge acid-bleeding monster in a sci-fi environment compared to a dude with dreadlocks jumping around in the treeline and failing to see Arnold just because he happened to fall into a bit of mud.

Predator 2 = Oh come on.

AVP & AVP2 = Just.. ..no. The only thing good about AVP was to see Lance Henriksen die again (see: Aliens, Terminator, Jennifer 8, that Van Damme movie nobody can remember because it was bad, and so on). I won't bother to see AVP2. The main reason for this movie is just to cash in with as little effort and investement possible. Nice cast, I bet 20th Century Fox got the whole cast hired for under 50 bucks.

This whole conversation feels awfully dejavu-ish to me..

Conclusion

If all the movies mentioned above were playing simultaneously at the moment, i.e. as "re-runs", I'd go watch Aliens. And if Aliens was in cinemas at the same time as all the movies that are currently actually playing, I'd see Aliens.

_{We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night.. ..mostly.}

I need around tree fiddy.

2008-01-24 07:55:17

#16

Ninja_Kid2002: Member; +119|6753|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)

DonFck wrote:
cablecopulate wrote:
Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.
So did Eraser, what's your point?
And Kindergarten Cop.

IMHO:

Alien, Aliens, Alien 3...

...under 50 bucks.

This whole conversation feels awfully dejavu-ish to me..

Conclusion

If all the movies mentioned above were playing simultaneously at the moment, i.e. as "re-runs", I'd go watch Aliens. And if Aliens was in cinemas at the same time as all the movies that are currently actually playing, I'd see Aliens.

Kindergarten Cop or not, I stick by my statement. It must have been good, they ripped off the entire story-line with "The Pacifier" a completely fail-from-the-start Vin Diesel vehicle, which no-one in the world went to see (Anyone brave enough to admit it gets karma)

Yes Aliens is a better series than Predator, and when you do the calculations on what Aliens had and what Predator had, Aliens wins.
But then entertainment isn't about maths, otherwise "Shoot 'em Up" would be the greatest gun-fight film ever with 9 fight scenes, but it isn't. And by that same rationale, Pradator just wins it for me. It's slightly shitty, poorly acted, and without plot, but it just has something loveable about it that can't be expressed in words.

Ninja's in love again.

2008-01-24 08:36:24

#17

Brasso: member; +1,549|7116

AVP2 sucked. And for the record, it's AVP:R....

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"

2008-01-24 08:47:33

#18

FloppY_: +1,010|6772|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
Matrix > All alien and predator related movies imho...

But i guess its:
Predator > Alien Resurection > Predator 2 > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3> AVP

I hate the old-ness of Alien and Aliens and i hated the non-existant plot in AVP...
I'd agree with you about "The Matrix", but Reloaded and Revolutions lost my faith.
Can't believe you put alien resurection and predator 2 so high.

I hate all the Alien movies tbh, and i don't like Predator 2 either

It was kind of a what i hate the least rating

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2008-01-24 08:57:03

#19

loubot: O' HAL naw!; +470|7064|Columbus, OH

haffeysucks wrote:
...And for the record, it's AVP:R....

2008-01-24 09:01:14

#20

SamTheMan:D: Banned; +856|6460|England

cablecopulate wrote:
Ninja_Kid2002 wrote:
Predator had Arnie in it.

I'd continue, but I think I've made my point.
So did Eraser, what's your point?

Eraser is good

2008-01-24 09:15:04

#21

Skorpy-chan: Member; +127|6831|Twyford, UK

AVP2 rocked. Brilliant game, especially once you got used to the controls and the strange vision modes and the alien wallcrawling.

And had something games seem to lack these days; a fucking storyline.

2008-01-24 09:20:03

#22

LaidBackNinja: Pony Slaystation; +343|7195|Charlie One Alpha

FACT: Bill Paxton is the only actor who has been killed by an Alien, a Predator, AND a Terminator.

Anyway:
Aliens > Alien > Predator > Predator 2 > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection > AVP (haven't seen AVP2, hope it's good.)

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell

2008-01-24 09:20:47

#23

FloppY_: +1,010|6772|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

theDude5B wrote:
O MY GOD!

What are you kids talking about!

Predator was good, but not better than Alien and Aliens!

@Floppy, wtf, Alien Resurection > those others?! You hate the oldness of Alien and Aliens?! What do you hate the oldness of Star Wars, Indianna Jones, Back to the Future?

Alien 2 > Alien > Predator > Predator 2 > Alien Resurection > Alien 3 > AVP (not seen AVP2)

No, those don't feel old.. maybe it is just ripley i dont like, i dunno

Skorpy-chan wrote:
AVP2 rocked. Brilliant game, especially once you got used to the controls and the strange vision modes and the alien wallcrawling.

And had something games seem to lack these days; a fucking storyline.

We are talking movies here mr.

Last edited by FloppY_ (2008-01-24 09:21:25)

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2008-01-24 09:26:55

#24

LaidBackNinja: Pony Slaystation; +343|7195|Charlie One Alpha

FloppY_ wrote:
Skorpy-chan wrote:
AVP2 rocked. Brilliant game, especially once you got used to the controls and the strange vision modes and the alien wallcrawling.

And had something games seem to lack these days; a fucking storyline.
We are talking movies here mr.

Nonetheless, AVP2 was an excellent game. Instead of the stupid AVP movies we have now, they should just have made a movie out of AVP2 the game. That would have rocked.

Also, if Aliens were in cinema's now, I'd go and see it immediately. I'm too young to have seen that movie in a theater (it came out the year before I was born), and I would pay a lot of money to see that movie on a huge screen with ridiculous sound effect. Instead I'm just stuck here watching it from DVD over and over again.

EDIT:
Also, why doesn't Terminator count in this stuff? I think the terminator films count as sci-fi thriller as well, so here I go:

Aliens > Terminator > Terminator 2 > Alien > Predator > Predator 2 > Terminator 3 > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection > AVP

Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2008-01-24 09:30:52)

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2008-01-24 09:29:16

#25

DonFck: Hibernator; +3,227|7117|Finland

LaidBackNinja wrote:
FACT: Bill Paxton is the only actor who has been killed by an Alien, a Predator, AND a Terminator.

*cough* and Lance Henriksen too. (technically, Bishop died in Aliens, he got killed at the police station in Terminator, a Predator killed him in AVP).

I need around tree fiddy.

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