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2008-01-27 22:43:19
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7105|Canberra, AUS
Watching the last few global warming debates, I've become increasingly confused. I would like to clarify the positions on a few things so everything gets a lot simpler in this big, big debate:

1. How many of you actually think that Al Gore is the chief spokesperson and the messiah of the global warming cause? Really interested in this one. Many anti-GW are insinuating that every environmentalist and pro-GW reveres Al Gore like some kind of God. Certainly not what I think, and not the impression I get from environmentalist (mostly they hail his work as a good eye-opener - that's when they DO hail him)

2. How many of you actually think that environmental change is necessary/beneficial whether or not global warming is occuring and whether or not we will play a part.

3. If you said 'Yes' to the above, then what is the debate about, really?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-01-27 22:44:28
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7192

I'm buying an H3 and a logging company in the rain forest because of you.
2008-01-27 22:46:24
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7105|Canberra, AUS

usmarine2005 wrote:

I'm buying an H3 and a logging company in the rain forest because of you.
Answer the questions please.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-01-27 22:48:02
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7192

1) If you need your eyes opened by Al, then you are an idiot.
2) I don't like arabs, so I want to get off oil.  That, and I like animals and do not want to ruin their habitats.
2008-01-27 22:50:25
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7105|Canberra, AUS

usmarine2005 wrote:

1) If you need your eyes opened by Al, then you are an idiot.
2) I don't like arabs, so I want to get off oil.  That, and I like animals and do not want to ruin their habitats.
Well I agree in part with the first, but I think it's been proven time and time again that people, in general, are idiots.

So what about the third?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-01-27 22:54:32
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7192

Spark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

1) If you need your eyes opened by Al, then you are an idiot.
2) I don't like arabs, so I want to get off oil.  That, and I like animals and do not want to ruin their habitats.
Well I agree in part with the first, but I think it's been proven time and time again that people, in general, are idiots.

So what about the third?
Ummm... the debate is all the enviro regulations killing companies.
2008-01-27 23:01:41
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7105|Canberra, AUS

usmarine2005 wrote:

Spark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

1) If you need your eyes opened by Al, then you are an idiot.
2) I don't like arabs, so I want to get off oil.  That, and I like animals and do not want to ruin their habitats.
Well I agree in part with the first, but I think it's been proven time and time again that people, in general, are idiots.

So what about the third?
Ummm... the debate is all the enviro regulations killing companies.
And here we hit a stumbling block because I can't really see this happening.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-01-28 00:22:18
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7240|Nårvei

1. Al Gore is a proven hypocrit but he have done a marvellous job fronting the GW debate since the mid 70s and have been acknowledged for this, good job Al Gore but i don't see him as God but more like a press secretary of GW.

2. A change is necessary/beneficial without doubt, we need to produce less pollution and less garbage even if we contribute nothing to speed up GW, non industrial countries are picking up the pace and soon we will be polluting in such a scale it will be beyond repair.

3. The debate is usually about the impact man vs nature, most agree we pollute to much and are actually willing to contribute ... the discussion is most often about who is right about what, not if we should reduce emissions or not ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2008-01-28 00:37:48
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6766|Oregon
Al Gore made a powerpoint-turned-movie that made a lot of people aware or concerned about global warming, so for that, I commend him. I personally think that if you idolize Al Gore because of "An Inconvenient Truth," you need to do a bit more learning... but hey... some people are like that.

Second, we're fucking over our planet, but at this point it's irreversible, and eventually (soon) we'll run out of habitable space for human beings. Pollution or none... oil or none... global warming or none... we're still gonna run out of space and resources. Our only hope for avoiding a cataclysm is colonizing another planet... Ha. Not gonna happen.

3. The debate primarily involves 4 groups: 1. Environmentalists. They have good intent, and are committed to preserving the planet. They also know their facts and often are the scientists who advocate environmentally-friendly technology. 2. "Sheeple Environmentalists." They saw the movie, bought some of those curly-bulbs and maybe... MAYYYYBE.... a light blue Toyota Prius... but only because they already had a minivan...
3. "Sheeple Conservatives." 'Fuck Gore, I don't want to give up my truck.' 4. Businessmen. Fighting against the tax increases, pollution restrictions and new, less profitable business practices.

Who am I? Well... I'm apathetic. See my response to the second question.

edit for grammar.

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2008-01-28 00:59:06
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6536|eXtreme to the maX
1. Al Gore has done a good job bringing the global warming debate to the public in a form people can understand.
He seems to be the self appointed spokesman of the global warming activists, not sure how they feel about it, or even who they are.
He's a big fat hypocrite flying the world in private jets and eating more than most african families.

2. A change in human behaviour is necessary to avoid global warming, realistically no change will happen until global warming is unstoppable.
Nothing will happen until oil really does run out - this will be sooner than most realise.

3. The debate is about whether or not you believe in global warming, and if enough of us do believe then what can be done and what we are prepared to compromise on.
I can't see the developed world scaling back its ever expanding consumption based comfortable capitalist lifestyle. Who wants to go back to an agrarian life?
I don't see the developing world halting its development or population growth. Why would they want to live an agrarian life?

Basically we're screwed, there are two trains heading towards each other on the same track - global warming and peak oil.
When they collide, which I expect to see in my lifetime, theres going to be a horrible mess.
Eco-systems are going to be messed up, the production of food to support an unsupportable world population is going to be hard.
Doing it without cheap fuel is going to be very hard.

There will be some technological fixes, but its very hard to match the energy advantage of cheap and available oil.
Fuck Israel
2008-01-28 01:37:30
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7105|Canberra, AUS
1. Al Gore has done a good job bringing the global warming debate to the public in a form people can understand.
He seems to be the self appointed spokesman of the global warming activists, not sure how they feel about it, or even who they are.
He's a big fat hypocrite flying the world in private jets and eating more than most african families.
This is basically what I suspected would be the norm. This is why I was so confused about the anti-GW stuff on Al Gore.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-01-28 01:57:52
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7188|Argentina
1-No, he's not.
2-Yes, the climate is changing and we are to blame in part for that.
3-Dunno.
2008-01-28 07:25:29
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6972|Texas - Bigger than France
1. The issue is people don't like Gore because of his ambulance-chasing tendencies and astonishing claims.  After all, he invented the internet & global warming...
2. I believe waste is waste.  Obviously when the climate changes some places will be better, some will be worse.  Bottom line is I care more about whether people are making the decision for the right reason, rather than overstating the impact for their own gain/glory.
2008-01-28 07:41:26
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6960|Global Command

usmarine2005 wrote:

1) If you need your eyes opened by Al, then you are an idiot.
2) I don't like arabs, so I want to get off oil.  That, and I like animals and do not want to ruin their habitats.

 

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