BF2S Forums Intensive Farming

rh27 wrote:

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

And besides, meat is not really good for us anyway, except for fish. Atleast not compared to fruit and veggies.

Who indoctrinated you into saying that?

The only way to be healthy is to eat meat, it contains nutrients that are essential to good health that you can't get from vegetables. (Well actually no, but the things you actually need to eat to replace the nutrients are unknown by any vegetarians I've ever met. Also you can't buy them outside of well-stocked health stores.)

At any rate, I'd rather eat meat and be happy than plan my diet out to fit 10 types of crap tasting nuts and seeds into my meals every day.

The only "nutrient" you can not get from not eating meat is Vitamin B12.

jord wrote:

Human life is in a lot of people#s opinions yeah. Foetus' not  being people though...


That's a debate for another time, let us not forget what we are here for. To discuss just how tasty animals are.

Yes, Stingray and I had a debate about that just recently.  Point being, there is no irony or hypocrisy there.

On topic:

"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"

I have that as a magnet on my fridge.

I like meat.  A lot.  Especially bacon.

To me, its not the idea of eating meat that should be being discussed here.  I have no problem with eating meat.  I DO have a problem with people being unaware of the treatment of animals by many of these processing plants and slaughterhouses.  There can be and are humane slaughterhouses - where animals raised solely for the purpose of providing human sustenance are humanely sheltered, killed, and processed for human consumption.  The problem is that these types of plants are largely few and far between due to numerous reasons. 

The fact that most slaughterhouses are run by large agribusiness and manufacturing entities makes the bottom line the fundamental focus of these places.  They want the largest animals for the cheapest amount of money, regardless of the health or living conditions of the animal.  The employees are often underpaid and overworked, which leads to a large illegal immigrant workforce - largely uneducated and unskilled as to the health concerns and workplace injuries commonly occurring in these workplaces.  Add to that very lax regulating and enforcement authorities, and you have a prime breeding ground for not only inhumane treatment of animals, but also of workers and the economic system as a whole.

Tyson Foods was recently fined for its involvement in a large illegal immigration employment ring.  Often these large agribusiness companies sponsor "job fairs" in Mexican towns where they offer to hire them, obtain the illegal immigrants the proper temporary job permits, bus them to their facilities in the U.S., put them up in residences akin to trailers or "cabins" (like you see at San Onofre on the beach), and then continue to employ them after their work status has expired.  Now, Tyson actually got caught, but this is a somewhat standard practice from what I have read.

There has been at least two large recalls of processed meat product over the last year.  At least 2 million pounds of beef if I recall correctly, due to concerns of improper cleansing and/or processing in slaughterhouses.

Animal grazing and feeding does eliminate a vast amount of resources including energy and foodstuffs.  Pollution due to runoff and processing procedures are very prevalent in large agribusiness and slaughterhouse operations - these are not limited only to meat products, but large food manufacturing operations in general.

To me, it is more of a worldview regarding meat products and foodstuffs in general, not a dietary choice like a vegetarian or vegan.  I try to have as little impact physically on Earth as possible while not impeding my own physicality and mentality.  That means that as long as I can afford to I buy "free range" or "organic " foodstuffs, I will.  If I had the means, I would love to raise my own cattle and pigs, and slaughter them myself.  I would love to have a garden where all my vegetables and grains are grown, but until then I will simply do what I can to make sure my global impact is the least destructive it can be, while supporting humane treatment of animals and renewable (or at least a minimal negative impact) production of growth.  That is what the main point of the article is from my perspective; It is not about whether or not we eat meat, it is about industry-wide practices that are unnecessarily contributing to the destruction of resources while at the same time fostering inhumane treatment of animals, regardless of if they were raised to eat, with minimal global opposition.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-29 13:39:35)

I am a meat eater and will never give it up, but I do believe in the humane treatment of animals, thus, I only eat chicken that was raised as organic and free-range (open-range) and the same goes for when I buy eggs, bacon and beef as well as milk.

Not only does it support local farming, it is MUCH MUCH more healthier of a lifestyle to eat organic, free-range meat. Caged animals and the like are feed many different substances to make them produce more. These chemicals and antibiotics end up being consumed by US. Same goes for cows, they STILL inject cows with bovine growth hormone.  And ingesting milk from these cows is detrimental to human health. I only drink milk raised organic and produced locally in my town.

Ataronchronon wrote:

I dunno why I still eat meat, Ill ween myself off of it someday though.

Too many reasons why meat is, in general, a terrible thing, while the only real argument to oppose that view is, "it tastes good".

And Im surprised at how many people refute snorkel's claim that producing livestock wastes, among other things, grain and water. Dont people ever research before they go and make fools out of themselves? And Im not even going to bother posting a link, it isnt my responsibility to educate people.

Why don't you educate us as to why meat "is, in general, a terrible thing".  Raising livestock is inefficient, yes, but what other reasons are there?

Overeating certain kinds of meat is bad for you, but then, so is overeating anything.

The problem with America (never noticed this here) is that they all think Vegetarians are meat-hating pricks with an agenda. For some people it's just a life choice. You know. Like how you listen to Death Metal and watch Anime cartoons. (Yes, that's you, the Bf2s member)

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-01-29 16:45:41)

Mek-Izzle wrote:

The problem with America (never noticed this here) is that they all think Vegetarians are meat-hating pricks with an agenda. For some people it's just a life choice. You know. Like how you listen to Death Metal and watch Anime cartoons. (Yes, that's you, the Bf2s member)

gtfo vegitarian berk faget

Last edited by SgtSlauther (2008-01-29 16:49:54)

Mek-Izzle wrote:

SgtSlauther wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

The problem with America (never noticed this here) is that they all think Vegetarians are meat-hating pricks with an agenda. For some people it's just a life choice. You know. Like how you listen to Death Metal and watch Anime cartoons. (Yes, that's you, the Bf2s member)

gtfo vegitarian berk faget

Hey!











I aint vegetarian

edit: fook you berks taste gud too

Last edited by SgtSlauther (2008-01-29 16:51:28)

SenorToenails wrote:

Ataronchronon wrote:

I dunno why I still eat meat, Ill ween myself off of it someday though.

Too many reasons why meat is, in general, a terrible thing, while the only real argument to oppose that view is, "it tastes good".

And Im surprised at how many people refute snorkel's claim that producing livestock wastes, among other things, grain and water. Dont people ever research before they go and make fools out of themselves? And Im not even going to bother posting a link, it isnt my responsibility to educate people.

Why don't you educate us as to why meat "is, in general, a terrible thing".  Raising livestock is inefficient, yes, but what other reasons are there?

Overeating certain kinds of meat is bad for you, but then, so is overeating anything.

First of all, Ken Jennings post was excellent.

And on the debate about meat being good or bad there is a lot pointing towards meat being less healthy than once thought. I am not saying you it's posion, but eating vegetables and fruit is so much healthier. And has so many more benefits. And yes, meat has proteins and some vitamins and it tastes really good! But Rasberry Jam also has vitamins, but there's a ton of sugar in it. So just because something has vitamins or other beneficial "ingridients", doesn't mean it's really good for you.

here are articles about the unhealthy aspects of eating meat:
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T043500.asp

http://juiceguy.com/Meat-toxic-substanc … gest.shtml

HurricaИe wrote:

edit2: Some guy said raising livestock wastes water... what the fuck? Law of conservation of mass buddy... water doesn't disappear when you drink it. You piss it out and it goes into the sewage system to be treated. Or your dog pisses it out onto the lawn, and the water eventually evaporates.

The current system of raising livestock and other foodstuffs in general is incredibly wasteful, including water and power.  Water is used to wash livestock and grow literally tons of grains and corn for animals to eat - food that could otherwise contribute to a healthy diet of many more people than an animal could feed.  I could go in to much more depth, but I really can't be bothered to at this time.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-29 17:20:21)

What don't you get? All that food or "Energy" you feed the livestock is better used to feed humans directly, its a simple fact.

Now I just had a rostbeef sandwich, think I care that much? No, but I can grasp basic concepts.

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

here are articles about the unhealthy aspects of eating meat:
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T043500.asp

http://juiceguy.com/Meat-toxic-substanc … gest.shtml

So, meat is bad in excess?  This is true for anything, even water.