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If they pay taxes through that number, why shouldn't they get a tax rebate?

ATG wrote:

There are two systems in place. One for us and one for them. Doesn't that trouble you?!?

I'm much more concerned with the discordant (to use a word from your sig) systems in place for the haves and have-nots to be honest.  That is what troubles me - and the fact that people care more about illegal immigrants who pay taxes getting refunds than our out of control economy and government spending.

O discordia!

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-30 13:56:49)

I'm kinda on the fence on this one. 

After all, we give them a break by employing them to save money ourselves, so why shouldn't we let them cheat on their taxes as well?   It's my thought only US citizens should cheat the IRS...it's our right...not theirs.

But seriously, this shows some complete disregard for thought when thinking about taking this rebate live....

PureFodder wrote:

There was a debate about this sort of thing a while back, tax evasion by the wealthy utterly eclipses that done by the poor.

This debate isn't about tax evasion though.  It's about the idea that illegal immigrants could be receiving tax refunds on taxes they paid.

Upon reading further into it, the revision of the bill would bar LEGAL immigrants who use ITINs from receiving tax refunds too.  That's bogus.

Immigration advocates point out that many legal immigrants use ITINs, so it would be impossible to tell who is legal and who is not from those who use these IDs. The Senate version of the bill would prohibit use of ITINs, meaning some legal immigrants would not receive rebates.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-30 16:24:08)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If they pay taxes through that number, why shouldn't they get a tax rebate?

They shouldn't be here in the first place.  Consider it a condition of "non residency".

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jibbles wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If they pay taxes through that number, why shouldn't they get a tax rebate?

They shouldn't be here in the first place.  Consider it a condition of "non residency".

Then they are ok to stay?  Fair enough.

The problem with this logic (they are illegal, they shouldn't get tax refunds) is that many people argue against illegal residency because "they use our services and contribute nothing".  Well, if they are paying taxes, how are they contributing nothing?  If anything, they could be less inclined to use public services afforded to taxpayers and normal residents alike because of their illegal status.  Regardless, if they are putting money into our government, I think it is ok for them to recieve money back. 

Now, if you were to argue that their refunds would be a penalty for living here illegally, and perhaps allow them a chance at citizenship (seeing as they have shown an inclination for contributing to our economy and possibly society), then I would agree.

It was more of a joke. I guess I should have indicated it as such.

But I see your point. The last part of your post sounds logical, and I think it may be a good idea, but I would like it if there were a few more requirements (such as an English course, etc.) to encourage them to become a part of and contribute to our society. Since our government has let the immigration issue grow out of control, as well as poor condition of the fence  I no longer think deportation is the reasonable answer. It's just too ineffective given the state of both those things.  Not only would it take forever to identify who the illegals are, but even more time, money, and people to do the deporting. If we can cut the number down to those who have chosen to still not pay their fair share of taxes, it might be easier to hunt down the rest.



Of course, I left a lot of applicable ideas open that would probably make this plan fail, because I'm about as far from being an expert on policymaking as you can get