henno13
A generally unremarkable member
+230|6627|Belfast
i like Pipex
loonitic
...is a potty mouth
+286|6814|Valhalla

White-Fusion wrote:

loonitic wrote:

White-Fusion wrote:

www.plus.net

and BE
I'm with plus net not the best though the only good thing is they have no limits (I once reached about 60/70gb on downloads in a month)
The bad side they have decided to do torrent throttling, but I have gotten around that. Plus when I was with BT I was actually getting a faster connection of 4mb but I am now only getting 3mb connection speeds
20 gig a month limit for me for £20, $40.

Scotland FTL
Yeah its 20gig in hours and unlimited out of hours (00:00 until 16:00)
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6860|SE London

Be are by far and away the best around.

Tiscali, AOL, Bulldog, Sky and Virgin are all shockingly bad. Plusnet are pretty shit too.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-01-30 11:55:26)

Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6749

henno13 wrote:

i like Pipex
Pipex FTL :\. Peak time throttling / port-blocking of P2P / Torrents, an aggressive 'Fair Usage Policy', and constantly changing service without any attention paid to customer information or contract. I was with Pipex for a brief stint, but quickly moved on when they were bought out by Tiscali (THE absolute worst ISP in the United Kingdom). Now that Pipex are owned by Tiscali, they have begun the process of unbundling the LLU's, effectively moving Pipex customers from Pipex servers to Tiscali ones... ones with far less bandwidth and far lower performance. Get out whilst you can!

I'd say the 'best' ISP is any ISP that is unheard of. Seriously. Large popular ISP's have more peak-time traffic, and will have to find some means of shaping or dealing with that huge amount of peak-time volume- so your service will deteriorate or be impacted. It's technically impossible to deliver a top-notch service to millions of customers simultaneously. Go with someone small, preferably who offer unlimited downloads (or at least unlimited Off-Peak usage).

I recommend ADSL24 or Fast.co.uk
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Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6742|Tyne & Wear, England

henno13 wrote:

i like Pipex
David Hasselhoff put me off them for life.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6726|Boulder, CO

Bertster7 wrote:

Be are by far and away the best around.

Tiscali, AOL, Bulldog, Sky and Virgin are all shockingly bad. Plusnet are pretty shit too.
I've generally heard that plusnet are good if you get the pro version (still only £20).
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6860|SE London

Noobeater wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Be are by far and away the best around.

Tiscali, AOL, Bulldog, Sky and Virgin are all shockingly bad. Plusnet are pretty shit too.
I've generally heard that plusnet are good if you get the pro version (still only £20).
A mate of mine, who knows his stuff pretty well (working for Adobe or something at the moment I think), had plusnet and they are shit. All sorts of limits and port restrictions at certain times of the day. He had the Pro version.
mikkel
Member
+383|6880

Uzique wrote:

henno13 wrote:

i like Pipex
Pipex FTL :\. Peak time throttling / port-blocking of P2P / Torrents, an aggressive 'Fair Usage Policy', and constantly changing service without any attention paid to customer information or contract. I was with Pipex for a brief stint, but quickly moved on when they were bought out by Tiscali (THE absolute worst ISP in the United Kingdom). Now that Pipex are owned by Tiscali, they have begun the process of unbundling the LLU's, effectively moving Pipex customers from Pipex servers to Tiscali ones... ones with far less bandwidth and far lower performance. Get out whilst you can!

I'd say the 'best' ISP is any ISP that is unheard of. Seriously. Large popular ISP's have more peak-time traffic, and will have to find some means of shaping or dealing with that huge amount of peak-time volume- so your service will deteriorate or be impacted. It's technically impossible to deliver a top-notch service to millions of customers simultaneously. Go with someone small, preferably who offer unlimited downloads (or at least unlimited Off-Peak usage).

I recommend ADSL24 or Fast.co.uk
It's definitely not impossible to deliver a high quality service to many customers. It just requires the proper investments, which very few ISPs seem willing to make.

Smaller ISPs are not necessarily better than bigger names. With smaller ISPs, you either get an ISP that has its stuff in order, and typically much more capacity than necessary due to solid initial investments, or you get an absolutely horrid ISP with a toss-together network fresh with whatever hardware the equipment broker had on sale, and a group of incompetent people running it.

You can never really know whether or not you're going to get good service with any ISP, but it's fairly easy to shorten your list of potential providers by googling and checking replies in threads like this one. Don't get put off by one or two bad reviews, though. Not everyone is going to have a good experience on any ISP.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6860|SE London

mikkel wrote:

Uzique wrote:

henno13 wrote:

i like Pipex
Pipex FTL :\. Peak time throttling / port-blocking of P2P / Torrents, an aggressive 'Fair Usage Policy', and constantly changing service without any attention paid to customer information or contract. I was with Pipex for a brief stint, but quickly moved on when they were bought out by Tiscali (THE absolute worst ISP in the United Kingdom). Now that Pipex are owned by Tiscali, they have begun the process of unbundling the LLU's, effectively moving Pipex customers from Pipex servers to Tiscali ones... ones with far less bandwidth and far lower performance. Get out whilst you can!

I'd say the 'best' ISP is any ISP that is unheard of. Seriously. Large popular ISP's have more peak-time traffic, and will have to find some means of shaping or dealing with that huge amount of peak-time volume- so your service will deteriorate or be impacted. It's technically impossible to deliver a top-notch service to millions of customers simultaneously. Go with someone small, preferably who offer unlimited downloads (or at least unlimited Off-Peak usage).

I recommend ADSL24 or Fast.co.uk
It's definitely not impossible to deliver a high quality service to many customers. It just requires the proper investments, which very few ISPs seem willing to make.

Smaller ISPs are not necessarily better than bigger names. With smaller ISPs, you either get an ISP that has its stuff in order, and typically much more capacity than necessary due to solid initial investments, or you get an absolutely horrid ISP with a toss-together network fresh with whatever hardware the equipment broker had on sale, and a group of incompetent people running it.

You can never really know whether or not you're going to get good service with any ISP, but it's fairly easy to shorten your list of potential providers by googling and checking replies in threads like this one. Don't get put off by one or two bad reviews, though. Not everyone is going to have a good experience on any ISP.
QFT

Another thing to remember is that the good small ISPs will tend to be bought out by big ISPs at some point, then the service often becomes terrible. The Cable and Wireless purchase of Bulldog being the best example of this.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6726|Boulder, CO
Thanks for the advice guys, I'll give it some more thought and I'll eventually get back to you and post what I've gone with.
Mitch92uK
aka [DBS]Mitch92uK
+192|6514|United Kingdom

Bertster7 wrote:

Noobeater wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Be are by far and away the best around.

Tiscali, AOL, Bulldog, Sky and Virgin are all shockingly bad. Plusnet are pretty shit too.
I've generally heard that plusnet are good if you get the pro version (still only £20).
A mate of mine, who knows his stuff pretty well (working for Adobe or something at the moment I think), had plusnet and they are shit. All sorts of limits and port restrictions at certain times of the day. He had the Pro version.
Bert's right, I'm with PN and their service leaves a lot to be desired. I'm being throttled atm and should be getting faster speeds generally than what i do.
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7019
I'm on BT at the moment and I can say I haven't had one problem with them and get good speeds.

Was on Pipex before and they were just rubbish and it took me 3 months to leave them because of their messing around and giving me the wrong MAC codes all the time.
Fat_Swinub
jaff
+125|6714

The Sheriff wrote:

Zen broadband
Eclipse

Avoid Tiscali/big names.
I'll testify that to experience. They were, without exception the worse ISP I've ever had and I've had AOL 56K. No joke. I never did any really large downloading. The biggest thing I downloaded while with them was America's Army (which was about 750MBs and took 13 hours). I was sent two emails about overuse and finally a letter saying I was going to have my bandwidth shared. At 6-11PM they would throttle my connection to the point where signing into Xfire/MSN became a challenge. Oh yeah. I almost forgot to mention how they love to screw their customers over. They never automatically upgrade a connection and when I found I was paying £18 a month for 256K when their 2MB package was then £15 I could have punched a baby I was so angry.

I'm on (and soon getting off) Pipex. They're not as bad but they're a lot more devious in how they're shit. They throttle torrents (I use torrents for large downloads when a HTTP link isn't available like speedruns or large mods). Two days after I signed with them, they implemented a Fair Use Policy; the very reason I chose them was because they lacked a Fair Use Policy which Tiscali bumfucked me with. They seem to limit bandwidth and provide a poor service during peak hours regardless of use. The fact that they're owned by Tiscali could make me tear hairs off my head it's so infuriating. I'm changing to BE soon when this contract runs out which is very, very soon. I've heard only good things from them and they're not well known.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6749
Haha +1 Swinub. I too went from Tiscali -> Pipex and became very agitated when I heard the news that Tiscali had bought out Pipex- it was as if I was being chased; forever condemned to a sentence at HMS Crapcali .

I was actually sent one stage further than you though, I was sent a 'cease and desist' letter. This basically said that unless I stopped downloading so heavily (mainly music, get through about 50Gb+ a month) they would take me to court or pursue further actions against myself due to 'serious breach of contract'. I politely informed them that FUP's didn't exist when I signed the contract, and 'Unlimited' truly was unlimited- so I was kindly offered my MAC code and a promise of a speedy migration. Haha!
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Slarty
Member
+37|6243|Ingerland

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Freedom2Surf broadband for gamers, expensive but leet pings will ensue.
I'll agree with that. I've been with them for just over a year now, and I'm perfectly happy with them. Pings (even on us servers) are fine albeit I can only have a 2 meg connection due to my distance from the local exchange BUT they have a pretty much unconditional no D/L limit, which is easier to hit than you;d imagine once you start playing games online.......
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|6899|Mhz

Slarty wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Freedom2Surf broadband for gamers, expensive but leet pings will ensue.
I'll agree with that. I've been with them for just over a year now, and I'm perfectly happy with them. Pings (even on us servers) are fine albeit I can only have a 2 meg connection due to my distance from the local exchange BUT they have a pretty much unconditional no D/L limit, which is easier to hit than you;d imagine once you start playing games online.......
I've never hit my 50GB limit, also anything downloaded between midnight and 7am doesn't count towards your limit, and I always DL over night
Scardaddy
Member
+37|6671|UK
Full BT package works really well as long as you do not use there Home Hub that thing is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen
~{TPP}~richoxon
I Want a New Duck
+43|6846|Up a tree
AOL  have cut my speed by 60 fucking percent in the evenings

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