SATA vs IDE

2008-01-30 15:24:43

#1

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7011|St. Andrews / Oslo

Is there really any difference, other than the wires?

I'm thinking about buying 2x500GB IDE's and putting them in RAID 0...

The reason I want IDE's is because the cables are already in place, and I won't have to dig throught the PC looking for some SATA power cables...

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2008-01-30 15:29:00

#2

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6693|Finland

Sata > Ide .....

edit: reason: faster... I did notice the difference...

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-01-30 15:29:44)

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2008-01-30 15:29:45

#3

ddenholm67: DanForth Teh Pwnzer; +53|6835|Scotland

bigger data transfer.

2008-01-30 15:29:48

#4

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6817|Long Island, New York

SATA's the faster interface.

2008-01-30 15:30:09

#5

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7011|St. Andrews / Oslo

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Sata > Ide .....

Because...?

Are they faster? More fail-proof? More reliable?

edit - roger that, SATA it is then

Last edited by Jenspm (2008-01-30 15:30:52)

2008-01-30 15:35:25

#6

aimless: Member; +166|6404|Texas

There have been tests somewhere that said they still transfer the same amount of bandwidth, even though sata is 3.0gb/s it never actually gets near the acclaimed speed.

But I obviously don't have any proof yet.

2008-01-30 15:36:12

#7

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7051|PNW

Another neglected mentioning about SATA is that the wires are smaller, which makes cable routing and interior maintenance easier, as well as allows for more efficient airflow through the chassis.

The only reason I go for IDE anymore is for optical media, which leaves my SATA ports open for hardware that can really see an advantage over IDE.

2008-01-30 15:37:09

#8

Cheez: Herman is a warmaphrodite; +1,027|6718|King Of The Islands

aimless wrote:
There have been tests somewhere that said they still transfer the same amount of bandwidth, even though sata is 3.0gb/s it never actually gets near the acclaimed speed.

But I obviously don't have any proof yet.

HD Tach says otherwise.

My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.

2008-01-30 15:38:12

#9

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6693|Finland

Cheez wrote:
aimless wrote:
There have been tests somewhere that said they still transfer the same amount of bandwidth, even though sata is 3.0gb/s it never actually gets near the acclaimed speed.

But I obviously don't have any proof yet.
HD Tach says otherwise.

I noticed the speed difference of SATA and IDE in normal use so I could bet the benchmarks show it too by a clear margin.

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2008-01-30 15:38:38

#10

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6476|Winland

Jenspm wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Sata > Ide .....
Because...?

Are they faster? More fail-proof? More reliable?

edit - roger that, SATA it is then

Well, the differance between SATA150 and ATA133 isn't so huge. It's a 17MB/s differance. But then, of course, the cables are smaller and better, and many SATA drives actually have MOLEX connectors (What's the real deal with the SATA power connector anyhow? It's a molex split in 15. Fucking retarded!), so they might even run without SATA connectors. If you can get some IDE disks cheap, and have a SATA compatible mobo, go for the IDE disks if the sATAs are much more expensive (Wich they shouldn't be).

If it's SATAII/300, there's no question but going SATA. I recently changed from SATA to SATAII, and the differance is ginormous.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-01-30 15:43:11

#11

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7051|PNW

Freezer7Pro wrote:
(What's the real deal with the SATA power connector anyhow? It's a molex split in 15. Fucking retarded!)

Not when you can split two SATA power connectors off a single MOLEX it isn't.

2008-01-30 15:53:52

#12

Cheez: Herman is a warmaphrodite; +1,027|6718|King Of The Islands

Freezer7Pro wrote:
(What's the real deal with the SATA power connector anyhow? It's a molex split in 15. Fucking retarded!)

Note that the real SATA power cables (not just split from Molex) has power from each rail. I believe you need this setup to do hot-swap.

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2008-01-30 17:25:50

#13

nukchebi0: Пушкин, наше всё; +387|6603|New Haven, CT

Sata cables also enable better airflow in your case.

2008-01-30 17:40:36

#14

Phatmatt: Vroom Vroom; +298|6468|Canada

SATA cables are teh sex.

2008-01-30 17:41:47

#15

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6995

Serial ATA is a high-performance replacement for the old parallel ATA (also called IDE) connection between the system board and disk drives. The newer drives transfer data at 150 mbps, roughly 50 percent faster than your present IDE disk drives. SATA is not only faster than IDE, it's also easier to set up: You don't have to deal with jumpers, and SATA's smaller cables fit inside the PC's case more neatly than wide, crumpled ribbon cables.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12119 … ticle.html

I noticed a speed increase going from IDE to SATA... and an increase from Sata 1.5 to 3.0 also... and the SATA drives are hot swappable if needed...

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2008-01-30 17:42:46

#16

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6801|...

Jenspm wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Sata > Ide .....
Because...?

Are they faster? More fail-proof? More reliable?

edit - roger that, SATA it is then

and hotswappable

2008-01-30 19:10:59

#17

CrazeD: Member; +368|6952|Maine

Freezer7Pro wrote:
If it's SATAII/300, there's no question but going SATA. I recently changed from SATA to SATAII, and the differance is ginormous.

lol, there is little to no difference between SATA and SATA II. Few drives actually exceed 150mb/s, and no drive even comes close to being 3gb/s.

2008-01-30 22:49:10

#18

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6476|Winland

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
(What's the real deal with the SATA power connector anyhow? It's a molex split in 15. Fucking retarded!)
Not when you can split two SATA power connectors off a single MOLEX it isn't.

You can split 50 MOLEX' from a molex, too. Or 100. or 289.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-01-31 02:23:48

#19

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6732|The Twilight Zone

CrazeD wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
If it's SATAII/300, there's no question but going SATA. I recently changed from SATA to SATAII, and the differance is ginormous.
lol, there is little to no difference between SATA and SATA II. Few drives actually exceed 150mb/s, and no drive even comes close to being 3gb/s.

^^True. My Raptor ownz all sata2 7200RPM drives.

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2008-01-31 06:20:51

#20

Airwolf: Latter Alcoholic; +287|6999|Scotland

.Sup wrote:
CrazeD wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
If it's SATAII/300, there's no question but going SATA. I recently changed from SATA to SATAII, and the differance is ginormous.
lol, there is little to no difference between SATA and SATA II. Few drives actually exceed 150mb/s, and no drive even comes close to being 3gb/s.
^^True. My Raptor ownz all sata2 7200RPM drives.

plus it's actually 3Gb/s which is actually ~150MB/s

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fucking con lol

2008-01-31 10:11:09

#21

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6828|UK

Jenspm wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Sata > Ide .....
Because...?

Are they faster? More fail-proof? More reliable?

edit - roger that, SATA it is then

SATA > Capitalism

2008-01-31 16:48:34

#22

jaymz9350: Member; +54|6856

Cheez wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
(What's the real deal with the SATA power connector anyhow? It's a molex split in 15. Fucking retarded!)
Note that the real SATA power cables (not just split from Molex) has power from each rail. I believe you need this setup to do hot-swap.

sata plugs (from the psu not adapted from molex) have a 3.3v line for future use in low power drives.

and to the OP the real big problem with going ide is it is a dying tech. if you have available sata ports there is no real reason not to go for sata drives.

2008-01-31 21:47:28

#23

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6499|Phoenix, AZ

sata is win....

sata is smaller, faster rate, easier to connect, easy to swap, cooler looking, not ugly... also have a SATA DVD/CD RW drive which was 30 bucks and SICK!!!!

in conclusion.

Sata>IDE

Shit>IDE

thread /close ?

2008-01-31 21:52:34

#24

aimless: Member; +166|6404|Texas

IDE cables are easier to fold and allow for just as good airflow if you know what you are doing.

2008-01-31 22:09:12

#25

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6499|Phoenix, AZ

aimless wrote:
IDE cables are easier to fold and allow for just as good airflow if you know what you are doing.

what about multi IDE cables though?

I think I have 6 on my mobo and use 4? (2 hdd's and 2 DVD's)

and you can make them good and airflowey... but theres a point where | x amount of SATA > x amount of IDE |

its just impossible, the fact is that IDE cables are bigger than SATA's

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