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2008-02-03 13:35:27
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cda_1202055979

Just take a look at this video and understand what I am going to post here. People always rush to blame Bush for a lot of things. In my opinion. No matter who would have been President at that time....war would have happened. You can not blame the Republicans and Bush entirely. Democrats and its leaders were pushing for war as much as anyone at that time. Gore was campaigning and blaming Bush Sr. for not being aggresive enough and there are many video examples just like this from Gore. Honestly, it would have happened no matter what. Was Bush a bad President, time will tell.  Most of the negativity towards Bush is because of the war.

Will the next president have to deal with things that may or may not happen unexpectedly and how will our government react? I get tired of the blame game from both sides. This country was not supposed to be a two party state, but that is what we have. People need to realize that both parties need to wake the f**k up and start working for this country and not for themselves and the people of this country need to stop putting blame on one person or one thing....it goes much deeper on both sides. I don't see anything getting better anytime soon. We will vote another typical candidate from one of the typical two parties and this kind of rhetoric will go on and on. All we will hear from either side is what they think we need to hear.
2008-02-03 14:08:50
CameronPoe
Member
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Hillary Clinton is an abomination - I have always thought that. I feel sorry for you guys that dynastic politics has almost become the norm. The principles behind the push to war was wrong irrespective of who was in power when the invasion happened. Ostensibly it was about US and European national security and in reality it had little or nothing to do with US or European national security. All I have to look to is the words of this man who is now no longer with us. Robin Cook was Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2001. He resigned on the basis of the evidence before him. This is his resignation speech:





At the time of the push to war it was like a witch-hunt from what I could see: anyone who was against going to war in Iraq was deemed 'unAmerican' and weak politicians like Clinton buckled meekly under the pressure.

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2008-02-03 14:32:45
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7119|Tampa Bay Florida
Dude, Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.  Pointing out that Democrats suck too doesn't change that fact.  "Time will tell"..... yeah fucking right. 

And Bush has done a lot more than invade Iraq which proves he is one of the shittiest presidents we've ever had.  If you honestly think that's why he's so unpopular, wake up already.
2008-02-03 14:34:12
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Spearhead wrote:

Dude, Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.  Pointing out that Democrats suck too doesn't change that fact.  "Time will tell"..... yeah fucking right. 

And Bush has done a lot more than invade Iraq which proves he is one of the shittiest presidents we've ever had.  If you honestly think that's why he's so unpopular, wake up already.
You missed the whole point of this thread completely.
2008-02-03 14:39:03
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7119|Tampa Bay Florida

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Dude, Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.  Pointing out that Democrats suck too doesn't change that fact.  "Time will tell"..... yeah fucking right. 

And Bush has done a lot more than invade Iraq which proves he is one of the shittiest presidents we've ever had.  If you honestly think that's why he's so unpopular, wake up already.
You missed the whole point of this thread completely.
You are pointing out that the Democrats are at fault for the Iraq mess as well and that Bush is being unfairly criticized. 

Turns out the Dems suck so much because they sold out to the Republicans.  What's the real point of this thread anyway?
2008-02-03 15:36:48
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7144|US
Read his second paragraph, and you might understand.  He is saying our political system if fucked up, not "the Dems suck."
2008-02-03 15:44:48
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6609

Spearhead wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Dude, Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.  Pointing out that Democrats suck too doesn't change that fact.  "Time will tell"..... yeah fucking right. 

And Bush has done a lot more than invade Iraq which proves he is one of the shittiest presidents we've ever had.  If you honestly think that's why he's so unpopular, wake up already.
You missed the whole point of this thread completely.
You are pointing out that the Democrats are at fault for the Iraq mess as well and that Bush is being unfairly criticized. 

Turns out the Dems suck so much because they sold out to the Republicans.  What's the real point of this thread anyway?
Ummmm...where did I blame the Democrats for the Iraqi mess? Where did I say Bush was unfairly criticized? Please read again. I am saying that they are ALL to blame equally for the mess that our government has become. You are a perfect example of what I am talking about. You want to blame Bush for everything and then claim that the Dems were just selling out.  The point is that real men/ real women have to step up to the plate and take responsibility and quit the blame game and stop the double talk. Do you understand now?

Our government has become a two party government with no end in sight. The same games and political BS will continue and people similar to yourself will continue to blame one side for ALL the problems. It goes deeper than that. It is sad that in this day, a normal person from a basic background could never be president. If you are not rich, from a certain family or two, if you are not Republican or Democrat...then you have no chance in hell. Our government is polluted, The point of my thread is to point out that the problems we have come from people like Hillary, like Bush, like most of the Democrats and Republicans in power.

The title of this thread was to grab your attention...since I know many people hate Bush here...like you. Instead of looking at what I said and what i showed, you immediately jump on me and think that I am a Bush supporter and are quick to blame, like the politicians I am talking about. Seriously, war would have happened no matter who was president at that time. Our two party system doesn't give opportunity for very many choices. Follow the party line or get out of the way.
2008-02-03 16:49:49
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7119|Tampa Bay Florida

RAIMIUS wrote:

Read his second paragraph, and you might understand.  He is saying our political system if fucked up, not "the Dems suck."
Never said it didn't

What I'm saying is that it's ridiculous how he could even suggest that Bush might be viewed as a good president in the future......
2008-02-03 17:19:51
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command
people thought Truman was bad at the time.
2008-02-03 19:21:34
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7076
I've been saying this forever. The U.S. isn't a dictatorship and Bush isn't responsible for everything that goes wrong in your life.
2008-02-03 19:35:21
M@rC.ExE
Member
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I don't blame him for war, i blame him for screwing it up.
2008-02-03 19:42:06
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command

M@rC.ExE wrote:

I don't blame him for war, i blame him for screwing it up.
It will take 20-30 years to really judge the outcome. Sorry, but it's true. That's the way war works mostly.
2008-02-03 19:49:07
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Spearhead wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Read his second paragraph, and you might understand.  He is saying our political system if fucked up, not "the Dems suck."
Never said it didn't

What I'm saying is that it's ridiculous how he could even suggest that Bush might be viewed as a good president in the future......
Again, you didn't read what I even wrote...here is what I wrote

"Was Bush a bad President, time will tell"

Please tell me how I am suggesting that he might be viewed as a good president, I actually suggested the opposite. The point of my thread wasn't even about that. It is about hypocrisy on both sides of our political process and when the next president, of course a Republican or Democrat, the same type of BS will continue. I will say this. Bush was put under extraordinary circumstances throughout his presidency and I don't think any other person would have done any better. Why, because they are all the same.
2008-02-03 21:52:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I've been saying this forever. The U.S. isn't a dictatorship and Bush isn't responsible for everything that goes wrong in your life.
Nope, you gotta blame the liberals for battling him at ever turn. They would go against Bush, not because they felt he was wrong, but because they sought to win favor with liberal voters by going against him.

Sadly, the reverse is also true. But this time we can blame liberals.
2008-02-04 00:24:51
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6535|eXtreme to the maX
Two party adversarial politics is good for no-one.
I think Bush is a bag of crap and puppet of the Neo-cons TBH, and I think almost anyone else could have done a better job.
Just being honest would have been better than nothing.
Fuck Israel

 

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