blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
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fuck you government
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
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HurricaИe wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

The problem is is that I commit crimes.  Crimes that I think shouldn't be illegal.

I can't light off fireworks in an open field by myself where I live.  I cannot shoot fire arms in certain ways that I KNOW are safe, in rural areas.  I cannot light off home made explosives because I don't have the permits, qualifications, etc, even though I know what I'm doing.

That's where the problem is, I understand these laws, but they reach too far, ban too much.  But without them, that freedom would be abused in dangerous ways.  So we must have those laws.

as the way thinga are now, many decent people commit many crimes.  But if they aren't hurting anyone, who cares?  But with a government that is all seeing, it's impossible to get away with harmless, albiet illegal tomfoolery.

I know several police, in fact Im sure most police ARE this way, at least rural police, that really don't care if say, you are lighting off fireworks as long as you are safe about it.  Don't ask don't tell.  But, with the way technology and laws are going, if we simply go by the "just don't commit crimes"  there won't be many freedoms left, under the guise of protecting the people.

Also, it's just not comfortable for me, and many people to be under someone's eyes.  It's an unpleasant feeling to bewatched all the time.   

Sure, crimes happen, but is it really worth trading away privacy for security, especially that just because you are being watched, doesn't mean it's always gonna be safe.

The saying goes: "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
I'm not saying I agree with the laws but do you really need to build your own explosives? No offense but that would raise a few eyebrows at the NSA.

And they aren't "watching" per se. They don't have an eye in the sky showing close ups of every American's zits. They might be able to track you over GPS or something but really... at least with me, I'll be at school, in a restaurant or movie theatre or mall, or in my room.
well, I don't do it often, not even anymore at all really, it's just that acting out, in a aharmless way is healthy, liberating in a way.  A part of the thrill of a bomb going off is the illegal nature of it.  While that doesn't justify breaking the law by any means, I am just saying that the ability to do, or the lack there of, can feel very imprisoning.

And true, they don't have an eye in the sky per se, but I think the issue is is that they WILL if we allow them to go so far, the arguement of "what's a little more" becomes easier for them.  It's not the sudden removal of rights, it's slowly allow to take a bit here anda bit there, which seems fine at the time,  "oh, it's just this" until someday we'll all look around and go 'oh shit'  and all the little things, together, in the big picture paints a very ugly, public, under the government thumb lifestyle.  That is, honestly, to me, very uncomforting.
Ajax_the_Great1
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blademaster wrote:

fuck you government
thats the spirit!

these topics make me lol
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
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The problem is inherent in power.  Those who have the power, generally do what they want.  If "we the people" give the government power to watch us at all times, the ones in power WILL use that for less-than-innocent purposes at some point.  J. Edgar Hoover kept records (obtained illegally) on many people.  No one stopped him--he was "too powerful."  During the Civil Rights Movement, several states started illegally spying on MLK and other prominent leaders.  They used the info they obtained to hinder the civil rights movement.  Apparently, those who were not doing anything wrong DID have something to worry about!  Look at the current situation.  People are being held without charges for years by the US government.  I'm sure that most of them are less than angels, but what if one IS innocent? 

There is always a trade-off between governmental control and individual freedoms.  Government control is very hard to remove.  Individual freedoms seem to come and go with the whims of the majority.  This is the basic reason for the Bill of Rights--to not lose essential liberty due to temporary public opinions.

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