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2008-02-04 11:49:05

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

Hey BF2s,

I am looking into buying a new PC, this month if I have the money or either next month. Now I'm not a real PC expert I know some of the 'good' stuff but not all by a long shot. So its pretty basic, I want to switch from AMD to Intel, meaning I need a new motherboard, a new CPU, a new GPU and quiet possibly a new PSU as I do not think my 430 Watt Coolermaster will handle the new stuff. Now I have a 650/700 euro budget.
Now I've done some searching myself and I've come across some potential CPU's:

- Q6600
- E8400

I know that the E8400 is better than the E6850 and the E6850 beats the Q6600 in games as far as I have found out. But the Quad core Seems more future proof even though, I am more leaning towards the E8400. But maybe there are other CPU's which are better in any way than this one. Also I've set my eyes on an 8800GT and I was an SLI motherboard. Because I am planning on getting a second GPU.
So I hope you can hook me up with some great stuff, oh and btw the motherboard needs to support DDR2 memory, as I'd like to keep my current RAM and offcourse SATA, but that shouldnt be to hard to find. (Atleast 3 SATA ports anyway.)
I do not need a new case etc, I am not planning on OC'ing so any new fancy coolers are not neccassary.

Thank you all for your support in advance.

UPDATE: See below

Last edited by RDMC (2008-02-07 13:36:17)

2008-02-04 12:00:18

']['error: Banned; +630|6923|The Netherlands

Keep the budget at 650 max, so you have 50 to spend if there is any inconvenience with extra cables/shipping costs etc.

2008-02-04 12:01:50

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

']['error wrote:
Keep the budget at 650 max, so you have 50 to spend if there is any inconvenience with extra cables/shipping costs etc.

Got it

2008-02-04 12:07:30

']['error: Banned; +630|6923|The Netherlands

choise is up to you:

motherboard with 650i chipset and a core 2 quad at 2.4ghz :

https://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/stefanvdd/RDMC.jpg

Motherboard with 680i chipset and a core 2 duo at 3ghz

https://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/stefanvdd/RDMC2.jpg

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2008-02-04 12:16:52

xGj: Official lame Crysis fanboy.; +84|6650|Netherlands tbh

']['error wrote:
choise is up to you:

motherboard with 650i chipset and a core 2 quad at 2.4ghz :

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/ … d/RDMC.jpg

Motherboard with 680i chipset and a core 2 duo at 3ghz

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/ … /RDMC2.jpg

Go with the last one, I'm telling ya Won't notice the difference between dual and quad core asides from benchmarking now anyway, and that E8400 > that Q6600 in games and such. Also the 680i chipset is better and by the time quad cores will be needed this Q6600 is obsolete anyway.

2008-02-04 12:27:14

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

xGj wrote:
']['error wrote:
choise is up to you:

motherboard with 650i chipset and a core 2 quad at 2.4ghz :

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/ … d/RDMC.jpg

Motherboard with 680i chipset and a core 2 duo at 3ghz

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l310/ … /RDMC2.jpg
Go with the last one, I'm telling ya Won't notice the difference between dual and quad core asides from benchmarking now anyway, and that E8400 > that Q6600 in games and such. Also the 680i chipset is better and by the time quad cores will be needed this Q6600 is obsolete anyway.

Ok thnx man! 2nd one looks like a solid deal

2008-02-04 12:29:21

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6693|Finland

any particular reason why SLi mobo is needed? you could save some money there and get a GTS 512MB...

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8

2008-02-04 12:35:59

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
any particular reason why SLi mobo is needed? you could save some money there and get a GTS 512MB...

2 8800GT's > 1 8800GTS. Thats why really. I can get alot more performance out my system with 2 8800GT's than with 1 8800GTS, and thats really what I am after alot of performance with the money I have. And SLI provides me with an last alternative to beefing up my PC just a tad more before going on a major upgrade again.

But terror, is it really necassary to get a 180 euro motherboard? Aren't there any cheaper ones with same perfomance ? Because I was originally aiming at 100 - 130 for the motherboard.

Last edited by RDMC (2008-02-04 12:37:10)

2008-02-04 12:51:58

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6476|Winland

I'd say, go for the single 8800GTS G92. The performance differance won't be that huge, and you'll not have to worry about all bugs SLI tends to cause. Then you could get a good P35 mobo instead. The Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 usually goes for under 100€, and is a really good board.

BTW, what happened to your last computer?

EDIT: Lol, SLO.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-02-04 12:52:55)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-02-04 13:17:22

']['error: Banned; +630|6923|The Netherlands

RDMC wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
any particular reason why SLi mobo is needed? you could save some money there and get a GTS 512MB...
2 8800GT's > 1 8800GTS. Thats why really. I can get alot more performance out my system with 2 8800GT's than with 1 8800GTS, and thats really what I am after alot of performance with the money I have. And SLI provides me with an last alternative to beefing up my PC just a tad more before going on a major upgrade again.

But terror, is it really necassary to get a 180 euro motherboard? Aren't there any cheaper ones with same perfomance ? Because I was originally aiming at 100 - 130 for the motherboard.

If you want an decent SLI mother board with an 680i chipset for that price range, then no.
As for a good SLI motherboards with a 650i chipset: then yes, you can get a good one for around €100.

edit: and you need to Get a new windows if you are putting in the new motherboard, because windows will BSOD. Got that surprise myself too when I put in my new mobo . Apparently windows registers your windows license key to your motherboard, if you put in a new motherboard you are in fact building a new machine (according to dickosoft) and you need to purchase a new windows licence.

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2008-02-04 13:35:09

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

']['error wrote:
RDMC wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
any particular reason why SLi mobo is needed? you could save some money there and get a GTS 512MB...
2 8800GT's > 1 8800GTS. Thats why really. I can get alot more performance out my system with 2 8800GT's than with 1 8800GTS, and thats really what I am after alot of performance with the money I have. And SLI provides me with an last alternative to beefing up my PC just a tad more before going on a major upgrade again.

But terror, is it really necassary to get a 180 euro motherboard? Aren't there any cheaper ones with same perfomance ? Because I was originally aiming at 100 - 130 for the motherboard.
If you want an decent SLI mother board with an 680i chipset for that price range, then no.
As for a good SLI motherboards with a 650i chipset: then yes, you can get a good one for around €100.

edit: and you need to Get a new windows if you are putting in the new motherboard, because windows will BSOD. Got that surprise myself too when I put in my new mobo . Apparently windows registers your windows license key to your motherboard, if you put in a new motherboard you are in fact building a new machine (according to dickosoft) and you need to purchase a new windows licence.

Yeah, I've pretty much decided to get that motherboard anyway. I've shown it to my dad and he says it good, now I just having my uncle have a look at it, and then I will wait untill the new 9 series get out and prices will drop on the 8800 About the windows, I am gonna have to get Vista anyway as I am planning to run DX10

2008-02-05 04:08:26

']['error: Banned; +630|6923|The Netherlands

RDMC wrote:
']['error wrote:
RDMC wrote:

2 8800GT's > 1 8800GTS. Thats why really. I can get alot more performance out my system with 2 8800GT's than with 1 8800GTS, and thats really what I am after alot of performance with the money I have. And SLI provides me with an last alternative to beefing up my PC just a tad more before going on a major upgrade again.

But terror, is it really necassary to get a 180 euro motherboard? Aren't there any cheaper ones with same perfomance ? Because I was originally aiming at 100 - 130 for the motherboard.
If you want an decent SLI mother board with an 680i chipset for that price range, then no.
As for a good SLI motherboards with a 650i chipset: then yes, you can get a good one for around €100.

edit: and you need to Get a new windows if you are putting in the new motherboard, because windows will BSOD. Got that surprise myself too when I put in my new mobo . Apparently windows registers your windows license key to your motherboard, if you put in a new motherboard you are in fact building a new machine (according to dickosoft) and you need to purchase a new windows licence.
Yeah, I've pretty much decided to get that motherboard anyway.

680i or 650i?

2008-02-05 05:57:24

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

']['error wrote:
RDMC wrote:
']['error wrote:

If you want an decent SLI mother board with an 680i chipset for that price range, then no.
As for a good SLI motherboards with a 650i chipset: then yes, you can get a good one for around €100.

edit: and you need to Get a new windows if you are putting in the new motherboard, because windows will BSOD. Got that surprise myself too when I put in my new mobo . Apparently windows registers your windows license key to your motherboard, if you put in a new motherboard you are in fact building a new machine (according to dickosoft) and you need to purchase a new windows licence.
Yeah, I've pretty much decided to get that motherboard anyway.
680i or 650i?

The one in the 2nd option, think thats the 680i. BTW, another two questions:
1. Is 600 Watt enough to support 2 8800GT's + E8400?
2. Do you happen to know the release date of the 9 series in Europe/Netherlands.

2008-02-05 10:27:29

']['error: Banned; +630|6923|The Netherlands

RDMC wrote:
']['error wrote:
RDMC wrote:

Yeah, I've pretty much decided to get that motherboard anyway.
680i or 650i?
The one in the 2nd option, think thats the 680i. BTW, another two questions:
1. Is 600 Watt enough to support 2 8800GT's + E8400?
2. Do you happen to know the release date of the 9 series in Europe/Netherlands.

1. yes more than enough, the total power consumption will be around 475 max on full load. So you're fine with 600W.
2. nope, but when they come out they're going to be expensive as hell.

2008-02-05 13:31:02

G-NOT_(:0): Banned; +19|6278

Go with the E8400, because...the Q is really slow compared too the E8400, besides counting the 2 cores, but thats not a gaming pc. All games run on 1 cores and if you want speed, go with the E8400. Q is just for multi-tasking, but sure, its meant for gaming too, but when comparing speed. There's no competition.

2008-02-07 13:30:04

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

Well after emailing back and forth for the last 3 days with my uncle and after having a phone conversation with him that lasted an hour and a half I've come up with 2 rigs.

ATI:

Motherboard: Motherboard GA-X38-DS5
CPU: E8400 Wolfdale @ 3.0 Ghz
GPU: GigaByte VGA Radeon HD 3870

Total price: 535 euros

nVidia:

Motherboard: XFX Motherboard nForce 780i
CPU: E8400 Wolfdale @ 3.0 Ghz
GPU: GigaByte VGA GeForce 8800GT

Total price: 565 euros

I still have a 430 Watt PSU so I am keeping that one untill a second GPU goes in.

Now I know what most of you are thinking, ''GO WITH nVIDIA! THEY R TEH BEST!''
But! I've been searching alot over the internet for the past couple days and I've come up with a few advantages and disadvantages on both ends.

ATI:

Advantage:
1. Overal setup is cheaper
2. Crossfire performs better than SLI, on average
3. HD3870 has DX10.1 -> More future proof

Disadvantage:
1. Somewhat slower, with updated drivers difference is around 10% less than an 8800GT
2. Can't think of anything else

nVidia:

Advantage:
1. Better price/performance
2. Can't think of another one

Disadvantages:
1. More pricier
2. No DX10.1 -> Less future proof.

The reason that the nVidia setup is expensiver is the fact that the 780i motherboard is about 30 euro's more expensive! But there's another downside to the nVidia setup, the cheapest 8800GT has a waiting period for over 20 working days (A.K.A a month at least) I don't want to wait that long. I could also go for a more expensive one but that means that the nVidia setup will be another 20 euros more expensive. I've kinda set my eyes on ATI setup for this.

Oh and sorry Freezer, it seems I kinda skimmed over your reply Here's the reply anyway

Freezer7Pro wrote:
I'd say, go for the single 8800GTS G92. The performance differance won't be that huge, and you'll not have to worry about all bugs SLI tends to cause. Then you could get a good P35 mobo instead. The Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 usually goes for under 100€, and is a really good board.

BTW, what happened to your last computer?

EDIT: Lol, SLO.

In most cases CF/SLI do make a for a rather great performance improvement so I've set my eyes on SLI/CF for that, also because it provides me with another upgrading option before buying an entire new series of GPU's.

Oh and I now have a:

Athlon 3800+
7600GT
K9N SLi n570i

2008-02-07 14:51:02

Dragonclaw: Member; +186|6584|Florida

Dont even think for one second that any ATI card out now can even barely scratch DX10.1. Its just a feature for people who dont know it cant handle it at all. If 8800Ultra Superclocked TRI-SLI cannot run DX10 Crysis on high, what makes you think ATI can run DX10.1 on anything? Id get an EVGA card instead of a GIGABYTE card if you go with the 8800GT because of step-up. Dont get the XFX 780i either, go with the EVGA, cheaper and not as many bugs. Id go with the nVidia setup but swap out the brands.

Last edited by Dragonclaw (2008-02-07 14:51:53)

2008-02-08 05:56:46

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6732|The Twilight Zone

Listen, i wanted to buy a Sli mobo and another 8800gt but i changed my mind. Why? 70€ more for the mobo, 250€ for another gt and if i sell my current gt for lets say 150€ that makes 470€. In 1 year when you will need to upgrade your graphics card you will get a high end gfx card for 470€. And also you dont need to buy 2 aftermarket coolers, only 1 (stock coolers are really noisy, especially 2 in sli config).

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2008-02-08 06:00:20

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

.Sup wrote:
Listen, i wanted to buy a Sli mobo and another 8800gt but i changed my mind. Why? 70€ more for the mobo, 250€ for another gt and if i sell my current gt for lets say 150€ that makes 470€. In 1 year when you will need to upgrade your graphics card you will get a high end gfx card for 470€. And also you dont need to buy 2 aftermarket coolers, only 1 (stock coolers are really noisy, especially 2 in sli config).

So your saying don't buy SLI because its more expensive because of the mobo and because you need to buy a second card? Oh and btw, I've never had any problems with stock coolers, nor were they noisy, unless you and I have a different perspective on noise levels. Anyway I've kinda decided to go with the ATI setup. Why? Because lets face it, with updated drivers the difference between a HD3870 and 8800GT have reached levels below the 10%. But! A nVidia setup will set me back another 30-50 euros. And I'd probably won't notice the difference between 10% because its going to be a major improvement over my Athlon 3800+ and 7600GT anyway. I am planning on going for Crossfire though.

2008-02-08 06:03:08

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6732|The Twilight Zone

Do it then. /close

2008-02-08 06:03:48

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6844|Area 51

.Sup wrote:
Do it then. /close

Working on it

/thread.

2008-02-08 06:24:33

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6828|UK

I say go for the Quad. Fair enough the dual is quicker in games at the moment (its hardly a difference u can time against your watch). Oc the hell out of the quad if it makes you feel better, then later on you have the scope for a performance boost, when the guys on high end dualies are strugling. Isnt it alan wake that recommends atleast two cores, just to create tornados?

Tis what I would do atleast

Martyn

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