Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6951
For the past 8 years, ever since Napster first burst onto the scene, the Recording Industry Association of America, or the RIAA, has fought tooth and nail to smash P2P filesharing. Or basically any other form of listening to music that doesn't involve giving them money. They have even brought into question the legality of ripping music from a legally bought CD to a computer for use on MP3 players.

For the majority of the campaign, they have used the poor artists as their war banner, claiming they are fighting on their behalf, valiantly keeping them from jumping off the nearest cliff.

But in an interesting turn of events, the RIAA recently filed with the Copyright Royalty Board a petition to lower the amount of royalties record labels must pay to producers and artists.

The current rate is 9 cents per song. That means, for a standard 15 track album, the labels have to cough up $1.35.

Oh you poor bastards.

The RIAA was quoted as saying
... the rate is out of whack with the rest of the world and historical context.
Ironic, coming from a business that is, in and of itself, compete out of touch with the rest of the world.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7190

I bet you own an ipod.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

usmarine wrote:

I bet you own an ipod.
Meaning what?
Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6951

usmarine wrote:

I bet you own an ipod.
Ipod, no.  MP3 player, yes.

But what difference does it make. I could own an 8 track and this would still reek of stupid
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7190

SenorToenails wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I bet you own an ipod.
Meaning what?
Most people who own pods or mp3's hate the RIAA making their view extremely one sided.  The only people who can be objective are those who do not own that stuff and do not break the law to download music.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-02-05 11:12:32)

konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

Eh... There is no way they're going to stop downloads. That's the truth.
I am however no e-hippy. No fucking legalizing, thank you very much. It IS wrong, but I still do it.

What they could do instead of trying to stop it by fining individuals ridiculous sums of money out of frustration that they're not catching more people, is trying to change ways of getting revenue.

An example thereof is how the Microsoft Zune gives 1$ or so to record companies, as a kind of tax or whatnot. If they switched from charging to taxing whatever plays music, that's one way they could elimitate the problems.

Another way is to simply tax people on their bandwidth usage... Stuff like that. What they're doing is just stupid - it's like sending an army to fight terrorism. They're fighting something that you cannot fight with "weapons", but need to replace with a global variable.

-konfusion
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

usmarine wrote:

Most people who own pods or mp3's hate the RIAA making their view extremely one sided.  The only people who can be objective are those who do not own that stuff and do not break the law to download music.
I dislike media companies who say that I cannot use my fair use rights.  The RIAA is one of them.  The irony of this action is that they demonize people who fileshare, in the name of paying artists their fair share.  Then they go claim that artists are getting too much.

Don't get me wrong-- I don't pirate MP3's or anything, but I really don't like a lot of the actions that these media companies take.  Am I the only one that gets pissed off when DVD's you buy have previews in the beginning?  Or that you can't always make a backup copy of CD's, so you can have one in the car?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

konfusion wrote:

Eh... There is no way they're going to stop downloads. That's the truth.
I am however no e-hippy. No fucking legalizing, thank you very much. It IS wrong, but I still do it.

What they could do instead of trying to stop it by fining individuals ridiculous sums of money out of frustration that they're not catching more people, is trying to change ways of getting revenue.

An example thereof is how the Microsoft Zune gives 1$ or so to record companies, as a kind of tax or whatnot. If they switched from charging to taxing whatever plays music, that's one way they could elimitate the problems.

Another way is to simply tax people on their bandwidth usage... Stuff like that. What they're doing is just stupid - it's like sending an army to fight terrorism. They're fighting something that you cannot fight with "weapons", but need to replace with a global variable.

-konfusion
No.  Taxation for a private company is not the right way to go.  Why should the price of my Zune or broadband go up because some pirate two blocks over decides to not pay for shit he wants?
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

SenorToenails wrote:

No.  Taxation for a private company is not the right way to go.  Why should the price of my Zune or broadband go up because some pirate two blocks over decides to not pay for shit he wants?
Hmm... maybe my idea only really works if downloading were legalized... As a means of still making money off of it.

-konfusion
Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6951

SenorToenails wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Most people who own pods or mp3's hate the RIAA making their view extremely one sided.  The only people who can be objective are those who do not own that stuff and do not break the law to download music.
I dislike media companies who say that I cannot use my fair use rights.  The RIAA is one of them.  The irony of this action is that they demonize people who fileshare, in the name of paying artists their fair share.  Then they go claim that artists are getting too much.

Don't get me wrong-- I don't pirate MP3's or anything, but I really don't like a lot of the actions that these media companies take.  Am I the only one that gets pissed off when DVD's you buy have previews in the beginning?  Or that you can't always make a backup copy of CD's, so you can have one in the car?
Senor hit it on the head. This isn't a debate on whether filesharing is wrong or not; it is, but it continues anyway. Its about the how the RIAA can prance about claiming moral superiority by fighting for the artists, then turn around and claim the artists as the menace.

Can't have it both ways.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

konfusion wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

No.  Taxation for a private company is not the right way to go.  Why should the price of my Zune or broadband go up because some pirate two blocks over decides to not pay for shit he wants?
Hmm... maybe my idea only really works if downloading were legalized... As a means of still making money off of it.

-konfusion
If people want media, have them pay for it.  Don't distribute the price amongst everyone.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6920|Northern California

usmarine wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I bet you own an ipod.
Meaning what?
Most people who own pods or mp3's hate the RIAA making their view extremely one sided.  The only people who can be objective are those who do not own that stuff and do not break the law to download music.
I don't own an MP3 player and I don't download music.  I believe once that purchased music is in your possession, they have no right to tell me what I can do with it as long as it does not go into the possession of another.  I can rip music to my computer and will.  If they want to stop it, they need to come up with better technology.  For starters, they are just doing it because the raping they give to artists has been reduced.  It's known that record sales are NOT the cash cow for artists everyone thinks they are...music TOURS is where there money is.

I do think freeloading punk ass teenagers (and adults) need to go legit and pay for music..but once they do, they can reproduce it, copy it, back it up, swap it between their devices ALL THEY WANT...as long as it does not end up in the possession of others.  And yes, I believe music owners bear some responsibility for "letting" others gain access to and copy their music.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6955|Milkystania, yurop
@ Criminology class was gonna load a pp presentation on the teachers laptop so we could see it on the projector...and the whole class gets to see my whole list of songs naturally they made smart arsed remarks about the legality of my music , just did the usual does this face look like it would do anything illegal? smart arse voice in the back row YEEEEEES....silly students

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