S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6876|Chicago, IL
JACKSON, Miss. — A state lawmaker wants to ban restaurants from serving food to obese customers — but please, don't be offended. He says he never even expected his plan to become law.

"I was trying to shed a little light on the number one problem in Mississippi," said Republican Rep. John Read of Gautier, who acknowledges that at 5-foot-11 and 230 pounds, he'd probably have a tough time under his own bill.
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For those of you who don't know, Mississippi has an obesity rate of over 30%, among the highest in the world, and one of the lowest life expectancies in America.

Personally, I'm torn on this issue.

On one side, its obviously unconstitutional, even totalitarian, to bar someone from eating what they want, but on the other hand, these people present a serious draw on the healthcare system, and present a general inconveniance to the public (ever had to sit next to a fat guy on a bus?).

I'm sure the bill won't pass, but it raises the issue of how we should respond to the increasing number of obese Americans.

Do you think there should be some restrictions/penalties on people who cant provide a medical reason for their obesity?  Should they have to pay higher taxes to offset the disproportionate amount of tax dollars they consume?  Or should we just let them continue on their path to heart disease?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command
Been done mate.

* my bad, nvrmnd

Last edited by ATG (2008-02-05 22:23:31)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6876|Chicago, IL

ATG wrote:

Been done mate.
hmmm...

didnt see it anywhere
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7135
That won't pass.  It would be completely unconstitutional.  Even if it did pass, it wouldn't Last long at all.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:

Do you think there should be some restrictions/penalties on people who cant provide a medical reason for their obesity?  Should they have to pay higher taxes to offset the disproportionate amount of tax dollars they consume?  Or should we just let them continue on their path to heart disease?
Uh oh.  Should we tax diabetics too?  They are prone to other diseases.  How about people who had cancer?  They have higher chances of getting again. 

And those who smoke?  Drink too much?  Some people have such a vendetta against fat people.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6876|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Do you think there should be some restrictions/penalties on people who cant provide a medical reason for their obesity?  Should they have to pay higher taxes to offset the disproportionate amount of tax dollars they consume?  Or should we just let them continue on their path to heart disease?
Uh oh.  Should we tax diabetics too?  They are prone to other diseases.  How about people who had cancer?  They have higher chances of getting again. 

And those who smoke?  Drink too much?  Some people have such a vendetta against fat people.
Diabetes is a medical reason, and cigarettes are taxed like crazy, dollars per pack.  We're talking about people who have only lack of self control to blame.
Spider1980
#1 Commander
+92|6970|Washington
I think we should put them all on a Island and drop a bomb on it.














j/k
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:

Diabetes is a medical reason, and cigarettes are taxed like crazy, dollars per pack.  We're talking about people who have only lack of self control to blame.
And you have perfect control over everything you do?  Please.  Start taxing people for this and that, and it will get out of control.

What do you have against fat people?  Seriously, I would like to know.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7191

Fat people make me not want universal health care.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6947|Montucky
https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i124/s3v3ns1xtw0/Bulimia.jpg
belldawg
Serial Jay-Walker
+52|6412|Perth, indian ocean
you almost made me barf s3v3n
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6909|Somewhere else

politicians...lol.
legionair
back to i-life
+336|7052|EU

First of all you should ban McDonalds and shits like that, so people have nowhere to go for unhealthy food. Or at least force them to start using something beter than dogs meat and oil.

But stupid and hilarious laws arent something incommon, personaly I like the most law in England where you are forbidden to die in parliament.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7050|London, England

legionair wrote:

But stupid and hilarious laws arent something incommon, personaly I like the most law in England where you are forbidden to die in parliament.
lol, I didn't know that. What are they gonna do even if you do die. You're fuckin dead!
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

legionair wrote:

First of all you should ban McDonalds and shits like that, so people have nowhere to go for unhealthy food. Or at least force them to start using something beter than dogs meat and oil.
Like McDonalds is the only place to get unhealthy food.  I can walk into a supermarket, gas station, or just a regular restaurant to get food that is just as bad.  I even own a deep fryer and a grill.  I can make the same food that McDonands or KFC will sell me.  Good luck banning my kitchen.

How about people stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and take care of their own business?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7201|PNW

Can't exactly force people to stop eating shit, but you can pressure businesses that supply said shit. If the EPA can jump a construction company's bones for spilling chemical crap into the soil, then it's only fair that somebody should be able to give lardball restaurants a hard time.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-02-06 02:09:02)

SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Can't exactly force people to stop eating shit, but you can pressure businesses that supply said shit. If the EPA can jump a construction company's bones for spilling chemical crap into the soil, then it's only fair that somebody should be able to give lardball restaurants a hard time.
Right.  Chemical garbage that seeps into and contaminates the ground water, affecting everyone regardless of choice is obviously equivalent to a restaurant which adheres to FDA and Health Department standards that people choose to go to.  I can't believe I didn't see that before! 

Jeez.  The last thing the world needs is more government regulation and intervention.
=TBG=Zoton
my mum says i'm cool
+22|7083|Australia
I'm torn over a decision to which bohemuth  is the ugliest in this photo.... I'm swinging towards the one who looks like she has a rope tied around her stomach but I'm not sure.

Anyone care to add their view?

On topic, I don't think disallowing people to eat is the solution but something definitely needs to be done. Same situation here in Australia, people are so obese but no regulations have been put in place. There was talk however, of placing a tax/increasing prices on fast food so people are less inclined to buy the crap. The fact that fast food is cheaper than most other healthier food is one of the main reasons why there are so many fatties, that and that everyone is too lazy to cook.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7201|PNW

SenorToenails wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Can't exactly force people to stop eating shit, but you can pressure businesses that supply said shit. If the EPA can jump a construction company's bones for spilling chemical crap into the soil, then it's only fair that somebody should be able to give lardball restaurants a hard time.
Right.  Chemical garbage that seeps into and contaminates the ground water, affecting everyone regardless of choice is obviously equivalent to a restaurant which adheres to FDA and Health Department standards that people choose to go to.  I can't believe I didn't see that before! 

Jeez.  The last thing the world needs is more government regulation and intervention.
Right. Because you're going to be perfectly healthy if you stick with certain foods that adhere to FDA and Health Department standards, even if doctors and nutrition specialists are telling you to stop eating it or you're going to die of a damned heart attack. While I agree that we need less government regulation, obesity does affect us skinny people so long as we're all paying taxes into public health care.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-02-06 02:32:10)

SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Right. Because you're going to be perfectly healthy if you stick with certain foods that adhere to FDA and Health Department standards, even if doctors and nutrition specialists are telling you to stop eating it or you're going to die of a damned heart attack. While I agree that we need less government regulation, obesity does affect us skinny people so long as we're all paying taxes into public health care.
Ok.  I pay taxes too.  Does that give me some god-given right to interfere with any publicly funded program?  No.  Besides, most people pay for their own insurance, so what does it have to do with you?
Spider1980
#1 Commander
+92|6970|Washington
When I go to the store and look around at all the people, about 80% of all the people are over weight, that's fucking pathetic. and since so many girls are over weight, it bothers me to go out in public sometimes with my wife because she is so tiny, and everyone else is not use to seeing girls with small body's it seems, so she seems to get extra attention, and being the guy side of it, I'm really tired of it.
If more girls would eat a little more healthy and just get some exercise which is also good for you. the world would be a better place.
It's getting hard now to find clothes for regular sized people now. At Walmart, my wife has to shop in the kids department because all the rest of the clothes don't start out at a small enough size, that's when you know things are getting bad in this world..
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

Spider1980 wrote:

When I go to the store and look around at all the people, about 80% of all the people are over weight, that's fucking pathetic. and since so many girls are over weight, it bothers me to go out in public sometimes with my wife because she is so tiny, and everyone else is not use to seeing girls with small body's it seems, so she seems to get extra attention, and being the guy side of it, I'm really tired of it.
If more girls would eat a little more healthy and just get some exercise which is also good for you. the world would be a better place.
It's getting hard now to find clothes for regular sized people now. At Walmart, my wife has to shop in the kids department because all the rest of the clothes don't start out at a small enough size, that's when you know things are getting bad in this world..
Scraping the bottom of the barrel of reasons? 

You don't like how your wife gets 'extra' attention?  If your wife is attractive, she will get extra attention.  It doesn't have anything to do with people not being used to seeing thin people at all.  You might not like it, but hey, that's the world.

Can't find appropriate sized clothes at Wal-Mart?  Why not go to a different store?

You don't like how '80%' of all the people you see are overweight?  Who cares.  It has no effect on you.

You want girls to work out more so you have more eye candy?  I'm sure your wife will just love that.

It seems that you have a problem with fat people, but you won't admit it.
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

SenorToenails wrote:

Uh oh.  Should we tax diabetics too?  They are prone to other diseases.  How about people who had cancer?  They have higher chances of getting again. 

And those who smoke?  Drink too much?  Some people have such a vendetta against fat people.
Yeah, about that: there are taxes on cigarettes and alcohol - so called "prevention taxes". So there is something set in place for that. And in the matters of those with diabetes, cancer, aids etc.: for them it's really hard to get healthcare in the USA anyways... I don't see how you're arguing anything here, as there are already certain measures set in place for the people you mention.

-konfusion
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

konfusion wrote:

Yeah, about that: there are taxes on cigarettes and alcohol - so called "prevention taxes". So there is something set in place for that. And in the matters of those with diabetes, cancer, aids etc.: for them it's really hard to get healthcare in the USA anyways... I don't see how you're arguing anything here, as there are already certain measures set in place for the people you mention.

-konfusion
Yes, there are taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, but were they put in place to offset the health risk?  No, they weren't.  They were imposed to make money for the state/feds, and you can bet that they don't want people to stop buying whatever is taxed, because then it causes them to lose revenue.  These sin taxes are really morality taxes, and I despise them. 

The idea here is that taxing 'junk' food is absurd.  If people want to be unhealthy, then let them shoulder the costs.  Be it through insurance or out of pocket.  People need to stop thinking that it is OK to tax other people.  Wouldn't you be pissed if there was some sort of tax imposed on you?
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

SenorToenails wrote:

Yes, there are taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, but were they put in place to offset the health risk?  No, they weren't.  They were imposed to make money for the state/feds, and you can bet that they don't want people to stop buying whatever is taxed, because then it causes them to lose revenue.  These sin taxes are really morality taxes, and I despise them. 

The idea here is that taxing 'junk' food is absurd.  If people want to be unhealthy, then let them shoulder the costs.  Be it through insurance or out of pocket.  People need to stop thinking that it is OK to tax other people.  Wouldn't you be pissed if there was some sort of tax imposed on you?
I'd probably deserve a piracy/anti-social tax. I spend most of my time on my computer. However, I guess I'm too much of a puritan to be able to fairly discuss this. I don't believe in use of drugs, junk food, or anything else like that. However, I don't really exercise either, but I make up for it by not eating excessively...
I'd be pissed if there was some random tax imposed on me, but if it's any of those I mentioned, I would understand.

-konfusion

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