CameronPoe
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Ilocano wrote:

Not contradicting any of the above, but I know of a few Persians living here in SoCal who where quite happy living in Iran during the Shah's reign.  Persian women achieved significant independence, power, education, and even the right to vote.  All of that disappeared when Islamic Law took over and began purging women from positions of authority.
lol. Read up on the Shah. The man was a despot. Islamic law, abhorrent though it seems to us, was popularly embraced by the masses when they finally ousted that western stooge. The Persians who achieved 'significant power and education' were the Shah's yes men - kind of like the minute middle and upper classes in Cuba before the dictator Batista was ousted. In case you didn't realise Iranian women can go to university and there are even female members of parliament. That is not to say that women are treated poorly in Iran, I'm just saying that your view of the Shah is somewhat rose-tinted.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-02-07 01:51:08)

B.Schuss
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Choices have been made for countries by foreign powers since the dawn of war.
Choices have been unjustly made for countries by foreign powers since the dawn of war.

USSR in Eastern Europe & Afghanistan.
Germany in Europe.
Italy in North Africa.
France in Africa and Indo-China.
Netherlands in Indo-China.
Belgium in Africa.
China in Tibet.
Britain in Ireland and pretty much everywhere.
USA in Cuba, Phillipines, Vietnam, Iraq, etc.
Iraq in Kuwait.
Iraq in Iran.
etc.

B.Schuss wrote:

What we cannot do, however, is make that choice for them.
Whether or not they've been just or unjust wasn't the issue. Saying that choices 'cannot' be made isn't the same as saying they 'should not' be made.
well, I am not a native speaker of the english language. What I meant was that we a) neither have the right, nor is it b) realistically possible to make that decision for them.

I used "cannot" more in the sense of "uncapable" or "not capable" here. I apologize for the confusion.
sergeriver
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Yawn.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
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tired, serge ? Get some sleep.

can we please stay on topic and let go off the ironic remarks ?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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B.Schuss wrote:

tired, serge ? Get some sleep.

can we please stay on topic and let go off the ironic remarks ?
Did I write that?  I'm tired and I was yawning at the office, sorry.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7270|Cologne, Germany

sergeriver wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

tired, serge ? Get some sleep.

can we please stay on topic and let go off the ironic remarks ?
Did I write that?  I'm tired and I was yawning at the office, sorry.
hehe. that office must be like mine then.

anyway, BOT
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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B.Schuss wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

tired, serge ? Get some sleep.

can we please stay on topic and let go off the ironic remarks ?
Did I write that?  I'm tired and I was yawning at the office, sorry.
hehe. that office must be like mine then.

anyway, BOT
Ok, back on topic.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
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thank you.
Ilocano
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+341|7096

CameronPoe wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Not contradicting any of the above, but I know of a few Persians living here in SoCal who where quite happy living in Iran during the Shah's reign.  Persian women achieved significant independence, power, education, and even the right to vote.  All of that disappeared when Islamic Law took over and began purging women from positions of authority.
lol. Read up on the Shah. The man was a despot. Islamic law, abhorrent though it seems to us, was popularly embraced by the masses when they finally ousted that western stooge. The Persians who achieved 'significant power and education' were the Shah's yes men - kind of like the minute middle and upper classes in Cuba before the dictator Batista was ousted. In case you didn't realise Iranian women can go to university and there are even female members of parliament. That is not to say that women are treated poorly in Iran, I'm just saying that your view of the Shah is somewhat rose-tinted.
I won't excuse some of his actions, but tough times called for tough measures.
Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution.  Too bad it failed.  Too big of an undertaking, and too much ingrained power and customs.
BigOrangeArmy
Don't tase me, bro!
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Ilocano wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Not contradicting any of the above, but I know of a few Persians living here in SoCal who where quite happy living in Iran during the Shah's reign.  Persian women achieved significant independence, power, education, and even the right to vote.  All of that disappeared when Islamic Law took over and began purging women from positions of authority.
lol. Read up on the Shah. The man was a despot. Islamic law, abhorrent though it seems to us, was popularly embraced by the masses when they finally ousted that western stooge. The Persians who achieved 'significant power and education' were the Shah's yes men - kind of like the minute middle and upper classes in Cuba before the dictator Batista was ousted. In case you didn't realise Iranian women can go to university and there are even female members of parliament. That is not to say that women are treated poorly in Iran, I'm just saying that your view of the Shah is somewhat rose-tinted.
I won't excuse some of his actions, but tough times called for tough measures.
Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution.  Too bad it failed.  Too big of an undertaking, and too much ingrained power and customs.
Lol...Muslims enjoy all the privilages of Western Society (freedom of religion, for example), and there are Muslims in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia that torture and kill Christians every day. Read the VOM magazine...I don't even wan't to hear "peaceful religon," it says so in the Qu'ran itself "to kill NonMuslims (aka Westerners that arent Muslim).

Thats why I'm not a Muslim lol.

Last edited by BigOrangeArmy (2008-02-07 13:15:49)

lowing
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Peace and love to another guy for drinking alcohol

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ntthatnice

gotta love those Islamic "isolated incidences" lol
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

Peace and love to another guy for drinking alcohol

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ntthatnice

gotta love those Islamic "isolated incidences" lol
'Isolated incidents' - this is Islamic strictly interpreted Sharia law in Saudi Arabia and Iran (the only two countries that implement it strictly and broadly). There are hundreds of these types of incidents in both countries, one of which incidentally received over $22bn in military equipment and services from the US between 1997 and 2004 (how are those anti-US government placards coming along....?).

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-02-07 15:38:52)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Peace and love to another guy for drinking alcohol

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ntthatnice

gotta love those Islamic "isolated incidences" lol
'Isolated incidents' - this is Islamic strictly interpreted Sharia law in Saudi Arabia and Iran (the only two countries that implement it strictly and broadly). There are hundreds of these types of incidents in both countries, one of which incidentally received over $22bn in military equipment and services from the US between 1997 and 2004 (how are those anti-US government placards coming along....?).
You mean when Clinton was in office?? Hell he also sold secrets to China......Saudi Arabia and the US do not like each other we have a business arrangement. If you want to know how I feel about it, I say severe all ties with the ME open up Alaska for a few years until we get alternative fuels developed ( for the world probably) and never look back. They can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want.
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

You mean when Clinton was in office?? Hell he also sold secrets to China......Saudi Arabia and the US do not like each other we have a business arrangement. If you want to know how I feel about it, I say severe all ties with the ME open up Alaska for a few years until we get alternative fuels developed ( for the world probably) and never look back. They can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want.
Clinton was in office until 2000. Bush has been in office since. Why pick on the Democrat and not the Republican? It's difficult not to be biased eh lowing?

Essentially you are now admitting that what gripes you is the fact you rely on them for oil, that's all. By stating that "they can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want." you are stating what I have effectively been stating: "Do whatever the fuck you want in your own backyard as long as you don't walk the ten blocks across the neighbourhood to where I live and start doing it."
PureFodder
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lowing wrote:

Peace and love to another guy for drinking alcohol

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ntthatnice

gotta love those Islamic "isolated incidences" lol
Other crazy sentences for minor crimes includes:
Jerry Dewayne Williams - 25 to life for the crime of stealing a slice of pizza from some kids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Dewayne_Williams
Leandro Andrade - 50 years to life for the crime of stealing 9 videotapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Andrade
Kevin Webber - 26 years to life for the crime of stealing 4 chocolate chip cookies
Gary Ewing - 25 to life for the crime of shoplifting some golf clubs.

Gregory Taylor, for instance, was a homeless man who used to hang around outside St Joseph's church in Los Angeles and would often ask the priest for food. The priest was usually able to find him something over the nine or so years he knew him. Shortly after 4am one morning in 1997, Taylor decided he could not wait for the friendly priest and pried open the church's kitchen door. A security guard spotted him and the police were called. He is now serving 25 years to life because the break-in was his third felony. When he appealed unsuccessfully against his sentence last year, one of the dissenting judges said the case was "like something from Les Misérables".

Joey Buckhalter, was jailed for 75 years to life for stealing a wallet with $24 in it

Philip Zullo, now facing 75 years to life for making threatening phone calls.

Ricky Fontenot is serving 27 years to life for being in a car with a friend in which a gun was found. His last previous serious felony was in 1979 when he was 18. He had since become involved in community action, had a full-time job and was married with three children. The prosecution offered him a deal whereby he would serve only four years but he insisted he was innocent and was thus hit with the maximum.

Duane Silva, a 23-year-old with manic depression and an IQ of 70, received 30 years to life sentence for stealing a video recorder and a coin collection from his neighbors. His previous convictions were for setting fire to rubbish bins and to the glove compartment of a car. Then there is Doug Rosh, doing 25 years for possession of $10 worth of cocaine. Mary Thompson, doing 25 years for petty theft. Joyce Demeyers, doing 25 years for $20 worth of cocaine. Constantine Aguilar, doing 25 years for receiving stolen property. Chano Orozco, doing 25 years to life for possession of about $10 worth of heroin. Frederick Morgan, doing 25 years to life for simple possession of drugs and petty theft.

A total of 6,700 people are now serving 25 years to life under the law and Facts says more than 3,350 of them are nonviolent offenders, with 350 serving 25 years for petty theft. Of those serving third strike sentences, 44% are black and 26% Latino.

No death sentences, but having found plenty of examples of obviously unbelievably harsh punishments handed out for petty crimes I'll follow your example of deciding that this is perfectly representative of all Americans and Christians and decree that they are all evil horrible nutters etc.

Or not.
CDK3Y
Member
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HurricaИe wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lowing I don't think anyone here advocates death by stoning for adultery or backs anyone that does.  It is your profound willingness to infer that all Muslims are like this (as I did from your choice of words..."this peaceful religion" and "bunch of fuckin' animals").

Some practitioners of Christianity are zealous enough to kill abortion clinic doctors.  A zealous Jew assassinated Yitzhak Rabin.  People can be insanely dogmatic sometimes.

The culture of Islam has not been exposed or has been intentionally shunned from western civilization in many areas of the world - as is the case with many other cultures across the world.  Why don't you post about a person in Africa being mutilated because some shaman claimed he/she was possessed?  You buy into media sensationalism (in this case of Islamic zealots) and it fits your own agenda, that's why.
Thank you.
Thank You As Well
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

You mean when Clinton was in office?? Hell he also sold secrets to China......Saudi Arabia and the US do not like each other we have a business arrangement. If you want to know how I feel about it, I say severe all ties with the ME open up Alaska for a few years until we get alternative fuels developed ( for the world probably) and never look back. They can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want.
Clinton was in office until 2000. Bush has been in office since. Why pick on the Democrat and not the Republican? It's difficult not to be biased eh lowing?

Essentially you are now admitting that what gripes you is the fact you rely on them for oil, that's all. By stating that "they can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want." you are stating what I have effectively been stating: "Do whatever the fuck you want in your own backyard as long as you don't walk the ten blocks across the neighbourhood to where I live and start doing it."
Yup that is what I am saying, do not bring your back assward fucked up religion to my country. I do not want it, It has no redeeming qualties whatsoever that I find western society needs. God that felt good!!
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Peace and love to another guy for drinking alcohol

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ntthatnice

gotta love those Islamic "isolated incidences" lol
Other crazy sentences for minor crimes includes:
Jerry Dewayne Williams - 25 to life for the crime of stealing a slice of pizza from some kids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Dewayne_Williams
Leandro Andrade - 50 years to life for the crime of stealing 9 videotapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Andrade
Kevin Webber - 26 years to life for the crime of stealing 4 chocolate chip cookies
Gary Ewing - 25 to life for the crime of shoplifting some golf clubs.

Gregory Taylor, for instance, was a homeless man who used to hang around outside St Joseph's church in Los Angeles and would often ask the priest for food. The priest was usually able to find him something over the nine or so years he knew him. Shortly after 4am one morning in 1997, Taylor decided he could not wait for the friendly priest and pried open the church's kitchen door. A security guard spotted him and the police were called. He is now serving 25 years to life because the break-in was his third felony. When he appealed unsuccessfully against his sentence last year, one of the dissenting judges said the case was "like something from Les Misérables".

Joey Buckhalter, was jailed for 75 years to life for stealing a wallet with $24 in it

Philip Zullo, now facing 75 years to life for making threatening phone calls.

Ricky Fontenot is serving 27 years to life for being in a car with a friend in which a gun was found. His last previous serious felony was in 1979 when he was 18. He had since become involved in community action, had a full-time job and was married with three children. The prosecution offered him a deal whereby he would serve only four years but he insisted he was innocent and was thus hit with the maximum.

Duane Silva, a 23-year-old with manic depression and an IQ of 70, received 30 years to life sentence for stealing a video recorder and a coin collection from his neighbors. His previous convictions were for setting fire to rubbish bins and to the glove compartment of a car. Then there is Doug Rosh, doing 25 years for possession of $10 worth of cocaine. Mary Thompson, doing 25 years for petty theft. Joyce Demeyers, doing 25 years for $20 worth of cocaine. Constantine Aguilar, doing 25 years for receiving stolen property. Chano Orozco, doing 25 years to life for possession of about $10 worth of heroin. Frederick Morgan, doing 25 years to life for simple possession of drugs and petty theft.

A total of 6,700 people are now serving 25 years to life under the law and Facts says more than 3,350 of them are nonviolent offenders, with 350 serving 25 years for petty theft. Of those serving third strike sentences, 44% are black and 26% Latino.

No death sentences, but having found plenty of examples of obviously unbelievably harsh punishments handed out for petty crimes I'll follow your example of deciding that this is perfectly representative of all Americans and Christians and decree that they are all evil horrible nutters etc.

Or not.
Sounds good to me, now, I will keep my juducial system the way it is and you can adopt theirs....... deal?.....I will also endorse keeping ourselves isolated from the Islam if they promise to do the same. Please please.
PureFodder
Member
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lowing wrote:

Sounds good to me, now, I will keep my juducial system the way it is and you can adopt theirs....... deal?.....I will also endorse keeping ourselves isolated from the Islam if they promise to do the same. Please please.
I think they're both stupid, I'll take neither. As there's absolutely no prospect of either actiually being imposed on the UK then I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sounds good to me, now, I will keep my juducial system the way it is and you can adopt theirs....... deal?.....I will also endorse keeping ourselves isolated from the Islam if they promise to do the same. Please please.
I think they're both stupid, I'll take neither. As there's absolutely no prospect of either actiually being imposed on the UK then I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
My god, I love the never can never will crowd.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7270|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

You mean when Clinton was in office?? Hell he also sold secrets to China......Saudi Arabia and the US do not like each other we have a business arrangement. If you want to know how I feel about it, I say severe all ties with the ME open up Alaska for a few years until we get alternative fuels developed ( for the world probably) and never look back. They can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want.
Clinton was in office until 2000. Bush has been in office since. Why pick on the Democrat and not the Republican? It's difficult not to be biased eh lowing?

Essentially you are now admitting that what gripes you is the fact you rely on them for oil, that's all. By stating that "they can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want." you are stating what I have effectively been stating: "Do whatever the fuck you want in your own backyard as long as you don't walk the ten blocks across the neighbourhood to where I live and start doing it."
Yup that is what I am saying, do not bring your back assward fucked up religion to my country. I do not want it, It has no redeeming qualties whatsoever that I find western society needs. God that felt good!!
well, if that's what you're saying, then I am afraid you're a bit late. Millions of muslims living in the US already. Some will probably even hold US citizenship, and are therefore your fellow Americans. And what about freedom of religion ?

But it's good to see you and Cam agree on something. It seems you're both isolationists after all.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6715

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sounds good to me, now, I will keep my juducial system the way it is and you can adopt theirs....... deal?.....I will also endorse keeping ourselves isolated from the Islam if they promise to do the same. Please please.
I think they're both stupid, I'll take neither. As there's absolutely no prospect of either actiually being imposed on the UK then I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
My god, I love the never can never will crowd.
I love the Alien invasions!, Lybian gunmen are coming to get us!, Nicaraguan antiquated armed forced are only a few days away from Texas!, Contrail theorists that are afraid of clouds! The UN with it's secret world order are taking over despite not being able to deal with even fairly trivial disputes between tiny nations! and all the other completely mental conspiracy theories who manage to be afraid of something with absolutely no realistic posability of evey being a true threat. You know, never say never, maybe the commies will have a resurgence, maybe the next crazy doomsday prophecy will come true, better start asking for forgiveness from whichever god is bringing judgement day next.

Just as long as you mantain the purity of your essence you'll be fine....
E1_ned
Member
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people tend to fear the unknown
people are quick to judge
people with any kind of religion are always right (they think)

ken +1
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Clinton was in office until 2000. Bush has been in office since. Why pick on the Democrat and not the Republican? It's difficult not to be biased eh lowing?

Essentially you are now admitting that what gripes you is the fact you rely on them for oil, that's all. By stating that "they can lop off each others heads in the name of peace and love all they want." you are stating what I have effectively been stating: "Do whatever the fuck you want in your own backyard as long as you don't walk the ten blocks across the neighbourhood to where I live and start doing it."
Yup that is what I am saying, do not bring your back assward fucked up religion to my country. I do not want it, It has no redeeming qualties whatsoever that I find western society needs. God that felt good!!
well, if that's what you're saying, then I am afraid you're a bit late. Millions of muslims living in the US already. Some will probably even hold US citizenship, and are therefore your fellow Americans. And what about freedom of religion ?

But it's good to see you and Cam agree on something. It seems you're both isolationists after all.
I have no problem with freedom of religion. I do have a problem with that religion removing all other freedoms from the people or teaching pretty much are you have the freedom to be Muslim.or else. This religion has no part in western society. It goes against everything we hold as moral and free.

It is like you telling me I have a problem with free speech if I think we should not allow the yelling of FIRE in a dark theater. Gimme a break
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

I have no problem with freedom of religion. I do have a problem with that religion removing all other freedoms from the people or teaching pretty much are you have the freedom to be Muslim.or else.
It's strange how that has never happened in most Muslim nations (in fact all but about four), let alone any western nation....

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