Bradt3hleader
Care [ ] - Don't care [x]
+121|6421
It's not that the French cars suck. It's that the people driving them run em down, well, they're not very durable anyway.

My dad owns an electriciy company.

He has, 1 Opel for himself, a big van.

6 Peugeots

6 Renaults

So yeah, guess which twelve are always breaking down? Whenever my dad drives it, no probs. But for some reason they're always always breaking down.
eaglecorps
shotguns
+23|6728|TEXAS
I dont like french cars either. They sure did totally suck in Gran Turismo 4
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6876|Southern California

eaglecorps wrote:

They sure did totally suck in Gran Turismo 4
I use video games for all my car testing too.

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1363/1467822415_b73f971d1d.jpg
Sebastian Loeb & Citron? World Rally Champions 2004 through 2008? Most carrier win in WRC history....Manufacture title since like 2002 or 2003?

iNeedUrFace4Soup
fuck it
+348|7030


lol
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Marinejuana
local
+415|7070|Seattle
the only countries that consistently make good cars are japan and germany (k, and sweden). then again, pretty much all countries can make good enough cars. british, french and italian cars are all known for exotic designs and a lack of dependability. american cars are known for poor dependability, heavy, overpowered, fuel inefficient engines, but usually at the right price. korean cars are, at best, like really affordable japanese cars. by now most cars are being made with similar designs on similar machinery, so the differences arent nearly as discrete the way they were a couple decades ago, now uve got japanese and german cars made in the USA or brazil, jaguars built on Ford platforms, etc.
FloppY_
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+1,010|6771|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

VicktorVauhn wrote:

eaglecorps wrote:

They sure did totally suck in Gran Turismo 4
I use video games for all my car testing too.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1363/146 … 971d1d.jpg
Sebastian Loeb & Citron? World Rally Champions 2004 through 2008? Most carrier win in WRC history....Manufacture title since like 2002 or 2003?

Yeah, but guess how many parts the WRC racers have in common with their street-car look-a-likes
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6985|so randum

FloppY_ wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:

eaglecorps wrote:

They sure did totally suck in Gran Turismo 4
I use video games for all my car testing too.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1363/146 … 971d1d.jpg
Sebastian Loeb & Citron? World Rally Champions 2004 through 2008? Most carrier win in WRC history....Manufacture title since like 2002 or 2003?

Yeah, but guess how many parts the WRC racers have in common with their street-car look-a-likes
Tru dat.

I've got a mate who has a Focus ST, and he says the Focus rally spec is pretty much a totally different car.
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FloppY_
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+1,010|6771|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

FatherTed wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:

I use video games for all my car testing too.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1363/146 … 971d1d.jpg
Sebastian Loeb & Citron? World Rally Champions 2004 through 2008? Most carrier win in WRC history....Manufacture title since like 2002 or 2003?

Yeah, but guess how many parts the WRC racers have in common with their street-car look-a-likes
Tru dat.

I've got a mate who has a Focus ST, and he says the Focus rally spec is pretty much a totally different car.
The look is all they have in common... not even the bodywork is the same,, all carbonfibre and light weight materials compared to the steel and plastic on a street car..

Last edited by FloppY_ (2008-02-10 06:32:50)

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DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7166|Disaster Free Zone
Of course, imagine owning a car that requires this:
A privately owned WRC car will be charged more than 350000 US$ to the buyer, the running costs for one season are twice that amount...engines are replaced after 1000Km of special stages, gearboxes and differentials are dismounted and verified after every race and most parts are replaced regularly but at least once every season.
The cars are built to go as fast as possible and no compromises are made. A car you buy can not in any way be compared because they have to be full of compromises to make it suitable and cheap enough for the public.

Just because Citroen won the WRC does not make there road cars good (or even fast). That being said, French cars are not 'bad', they have wonderful suspension, usually handle well, have comfortable interiors and have fairly good gearboxes. In the past their engines have lacked any kind of guts but this is being remedied in their modern cars. Apart from some average build quality and ugly as shit design (not all the time) there is nothing major wrong with French cars.

(I'd buy a German car though)
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6876|Southern California

DrunkFace wrote:

Of course, imagine owning a car that requires this:
A privately owned WRC car will be charged more than 350000 US$ to the buyer, the running costs for one season are twice that amount...engines are replaced after 1000Km of special stages, gearboxes and differentials are dismounted and verified after every race and most parts are replaced regularly but at least once every season.
The cars are built to go as fast as possible and no compromises are made. A car you buy can not in any way be compared because they have to be full of compromises to make it suitable and cheap enough for the public.

Just because Citroen won the WRC does not make there road cars good (or even fast). That being said, French cars are not 'bad', they have wonderful suspension, usually handle well, have comfortable interiors and have fairly good gearboxes. In the past their engines have lacked any kind of guts but this is being remedied in their modern cars. Apart from some average build quality and ugly as shit design (not all the time) there is nothing major wrong with French cars.

(I'd buy a German car though)
Actually a lot of compromises are made...its called a rulebook lol.Compromises for budget, for safety, for the entertainment of the sport, for driver comfort and for communication between driver/co-driver, for the longevity and durability of the car....


True they are quite different then the race version but R&D is R&D. The manufacturer has to start with that car to get to where they want to go, and while many (MANY) parts are replaced along the way some basic of chassis layout and distribution of weight, as well as general knowledge of what it takes to make a car work well go into its design at some level. The price of the stock car, and its target audience may shape that quite a bit, but if something isn't going to cost more, and wont annoy the people who will be driving it casually it will likely make it in to make production of the race car cheaper/easier.

I admit I don't have citrions around to drive, so I can't insist much on that one...But you can see in many cases similar results in comparing amature racing of near stock production cars VS there full race brothers. The production focus may be completely different but its still a popular car for amature racing...Subaru, well do we even need to talk about how rally has influenced the way they build cars? (not just the STI).

Last edited by VicktorVauhn (2008-02-10 14:09:00)

FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6985|so randum

VicktorVauhn wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Of course, imagine owning a car that requires this:
A privately owned WRC car will be charged more than 350000 US$ to the buyer, the running costs for one season are twice that amount...engines are replaced after 1000Km of special stages, gearboxes and differentials are dismounted and verified after every race and most parts are replaced regularly but at least once every season.
The cars are built to go as fast as possible and no compromises are made. A car you buy can not in any way be compared because they have to be full of compromises to make it suitable and cheap enough for the public.

Just because Citroen won the WRC does not make there road cars good (or even fast). That being said, French cars are not 'bad', they have wonderful suspension, usually handle well, have comfortable interiors and have fairly good gearboxes. In the past their engines have lacked any kind of guts but this is being remedied in their modern cars. Apart from some average build quality and ugly as shit design (not all the time) there is nothing major wrong with French cars.

(I'd buy a German car though)
Actually a lot of compromises are made...its called a rulebook lol.Compromises for budget, for safety, for the entertainment of the sport, for driver comfort and for communication between driver/co-driver, for the longevity and durability of the car....


True they are quite different then the race version but R&D is R&D. The manufacturer has to start with that car to get to where they want to go, and while many (MANY) parts are replaced along the way some basic of chassis layout and distribution of weight, as well as general knowledge of what it takes to make a car work well go into its design at some level. The price of the stock car, and its target audience may shape that quite a bit, but if something isn't going to cost more, and wont annoy the people who will be driving it casually it will likely make it in to make production of the race car cheaper/easier.

I admit I don't have citrions around to drive, so I can't insist much on that one...But you can see in many cases similar results in comparing amature racing of near stock production cars VS there full race brothers. The production focus may be completely different but its still a popular car for amature racing...Subaru, well do we even need to talk about how rally has influenced the way they build cars? (not just the STI).
Excellent post.
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DanishHonor
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+8|6483|Denmark
IMHO Peugeot is the secccx.

We have a Peugeot 607, and a 407 nice cars IMO.

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