While we're at it, sure, alcohol should be illegal too.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Wow. I usually read w hole thread before posting, but I could only get up to page 5 before all the name calling and quote pyramids took their toll.
To be on topic, I don't think that it should be legalized. It is a mind altering substance, and it can have disastrous effects on some people. It may not kill outright, but that doesn't mean it's safe. How many deaths/injuries have come about from poor decisions due to MJ?
Alcohol is a mind altering substance but its legal. it will kill your outright if your drink enough of it,and how many ppl have died from accidents due to acohol?Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Wow. I usually read w hole thread before posting, but I could only get up to page 5 before all the name calling and quote pyramids took their toll.
To be on topic, I don't think that it should be legalized. It is a mind altering substance, and it can have disastrous effects on some people. It may not kill outright, but that doesn't mean it's safe. How many deaths/injuries have come about from poor decisions due to MJ?
see you really cant use your reasons to keep it illegal
Why though? People can drink it responsibly. Why ruin it for them?CommieChipmunk wrote:
While we're at it, sure, alcohol should be illegal too.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Wow. I usually read w hole thread before posting, but I could only get up to page 5 before all the name calling and quote pyramids took their toll.
To be on topic, I don't think that it should be legalized. It is a mind altering substance, and it can have disastrous effects on some people. It may not kill outright, but that doesn't mean it's safe. How many deaths/injuries have come about from poor decisions due to MJ?
Should we ban driving too just because some people drive recklessly?
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it. But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Wow. I usually read w hole thread before posting, but I could only get up to page 5 before all the name calling and quote pyramids took their toll.
To be on topic, I don't think that it should be legalized. It is a mind altering substance, and it can have disastrous effects on some people. It may not kill outright, but that doesn't mean it's safe. How many deaths/injuries have come about from poor decisions due to MJ?
Obviously some people can't, and if we're going to ban MJ why not alcoholPoseidon wrote:
Why though? People can drink it responsibly. Why ruin it for them?CommieChipmunk wrote:
While we're at it, sure, alcohol should be illegal too.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.
Should we ban driving too just because some people drive recklessly?
We should ban drivers who can't. Regulating who drives and who doesn't is much easier than allowing only responsible people to smoke or drink. Thus it makes more sense to have that kind of solution for substances, but not driving.Poseidon wrote:
Why though? People can drink it responsibly. Why ruin it for them?CommieChipmunk wrote:
While we're at it, sure, alcohol should be illegal too.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.
Should we ban driving too just because some people drive recklessly?
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Because like I said - America isn't like the Military. Just because some people do stupid stuff with it doesn't mean that everyone should suffer.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Obviously some people can't, and if we're going to ban MJ why not alcoholPoseidon wrote:
Why though? People can drink it responsibly. Why ruin it for them?CommieChipmunk wrote:
While we're at it, sure, alcohol should be illegal too.
Should we ban driving too just because some people drive recklessly?
Like I said - why shouldn't we ban driving then? Or sports games? Some people can't act civil at a sports game, why should we keep having them?
It's the same logic.
Just shows your limited knowledge on the subject with this post.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it. But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Wow. I usually read w hole thread before posting, but I could only get up to page 5 before all the name calling and quote pyramids took their toll.
To be on topic, I don't think that it should be legalized. It is a mind altering substance, and it can have disastrous effects on some people. It may not kill outright, but that doesn't mean it's safe. How many deaths/injuries have come about from poor decisions due to MJ?
I'll list a few drugs that induce eurphoria, feelings of empathy and love and the increased willingness to comunicate.we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others
MDMA, Mushrooms, Mescaline, LSD...
The effects of these drugs hardly make a person want to go and murder someone.
I'm sorry, this isn't a flame but you obviously have almost complete ignorance of this subject.
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
Girls lose their inhibitions tbh.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it.
/joke
I disagree. Ideally, a person should be able to engage in any activity he/she chooses as long as that activity causes no harm to anyone else. That would be true freedom - ideally.nukchebi0 wrote:
But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.
Legalizing marijuana would be recognizing that it's use is common and does not have an inherently negative impact on society. You can still hand out tickets for being under the influence while driving, etc.
I've been following this thread, and it's chock full of childish arguing. Choosing not to do something doesn't make you automatically holier than thou, and arguing from that perspective makes you sound like an idiot.
I know way more than enough, and know that even happy feelings will cause people to do something negative they wouldn't do normally.Ollie wrote:
Just shows your limited knowledge on the subject with this post.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it. But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.Poseidon wrote:
How many deaths and injuries come from poor decisions due to alcohol? It's the same thing. Do you want that made illegal too? It all depends on if the person can do it responsibly or not - which I do.I'll list a few drugs that induce eurphoria, feelings of empathy and love and the increased willingness to comunicate.we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others
MDMA, Mushrooms, Mescaline, LSD...
The effects of these drugs hardly make a person want to go and murder someone.
I'm sorry, this isn't a flame but you obviously have almost complete ignorance of this subject.
Right, like have sex with someone. Hardly "acting negatively".nukchebi0 wrote:
I know way more than enough, and know that even happy feelings will cause people to do something negative they wouldn't do normally.Ollie wrote:
Just shows your limited knowledge on the subject with this post.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it. But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.I'll list a few drugs that induce eurphoria, feelings of empathy and love and the increased willingness to comunicate.we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others
MDMA, Mushrooms, Mescaline, LSD...
The effects of these drugs hardly make a person want to go and murder someone.
I'm sorry, this isn't a flame but you obviously have almost complete ignorance of this subject.
This^KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Girls lose their inhibitions tbh.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it.
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Yes, it would be ideally. But time has proven that some people will cause harm to others, and at the same time that it is nearly impossible to selectively prevent people from having a substance. Although it would be nice, I would have them all banned and less lives lost taken over anything else.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Girls lose their inhibitions tbh.nukchebi0 wrote:
If we could ban alcohol, I would be for. There is nothing positive from drinking it.
/jokeI disagree. Ideally, a person should be able to engage in any activity he/she chooses as long as that activity causes no harm to anyone else. That would be true freedom - ideally.nukchebi0 wrote:
But we can't, because it is way too ingrained into society. Ideally, we should strive to illegalize all forms of mind-altering substances, because they do influence people to act negatively towards others. While we can't illegalize alcohol, legalizing MJ is taking a step backwards in this direction, not a step forwards.
Legalizing marijuana would be recognizing that it's use is common and does not have an inherently negative impact on society. You can still hand out tickets for being under the influence while driving, etc.
I've been following this thread, and it's chock full of childish arguing. Choosing not to do something doesn't make you automatically holier than thou, and arguing from that perspective makes you sound like an idiot.
Maybe so, but you get what I'm saying. Banning alcohol would be taking away our freedoms. That's why, frankly while I'd not be extremely fond of it, all drugs should be legal. It'd eliminate a lot of crime because there'd be no point for drug dealers to feud, and everything else that comes from drugs. The drug-enduced black markets would be eliminated.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
Poseidon has a point...
People will hurt people regardless of if they are on drugs or not. That argument is fairly shallow.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, it would be ideally. But time has proven that some people will cause harm to others, and at the same time that it is nearly impossible to selectively prevent people from having a substance. Although it would be nice, I would have them all banned and less lives lost taken over anything else.
I doubt that legalizing drugs would put an end to drug-related crime.. that seems kind of counterintuitive. Cocaine, heroine, meth... these drugs are banned for a reason.Poseidon wrote:
Maybe so, but you get what I'm saying. Banning alcohol would be taking away our freedoms. That's why, frankly while I'd not be extremely fond of it, all drugs should be legal. It'd eliminate a lot of crime because there'd be no point for drug dealers to feud, and everything else that comes from drugs. The drug-enduced black markets would be eliminated.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
If we legalized weed, I doubt that our society would spiral downwards into complete disarray, but would the world honestly be better off with the population in an altered state of consciousness?
would legalizing it make you smoke it?CommieChipmunk wrote:
I doubt that legalizing drugs would put an end to drug-related crime.. that seems kind of counterintuitive. Cocaine, heroine, meth... these drugs are banned for a reason.Poseidon wrote:
Maybe so, but you get what I'm saying. Banning alcohol would be taking away our freedoms. That's why, frankly while I'd not be extremely fond of it, all drugs should be legal. It'd eliminate a lot of crime because there'd be no point for drug dealers to feud, and everything else that comes from drugs. The drug-enduced black markets would be eliminated.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
If we legalized weed, I doubt that our society would spiral downwards into complete disarray, but would the world honestly be better off with the population in an altered state of consciousness?
does it being illegal stop others?
I doubt it would change much.
Who says everyone's gonna smoke it? People refuse to drink alcohol just fine.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I doubt that legalizing drugs would put an end to drug-related crime.. that seems kind of counterintuitive. Cocaine, heroine, meth... these drugs are banned for a reason.Poseidon wrote:
Maybe so, but you get what I'm saying. Banning alcohol would be taking away our freedoms. That's why, frankly while I'd not be extremely fond of it, all drugs should be legal. It'd eliminate a lot of crime because there'd be no point for drug dealers to feud, and everything else that comes from drugs. The drug-enduced black markets would be eliminated.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
If we legalized weed, I doubt that our society would spiral downwards into complete disarray, but would the world honestly be better off with the population in an altered state of consciousness?
No, I wouldn't smoke it.. but I would assume that it would be more accessible and more people would smoke it. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone would smoke it...
Would people drive drunk without alcohol?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
People will hurt people regardless of if they are on drugs or not. That argument is fairly shallow.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, it would be ideally. But time has proven that some people will cause harm to others, and at the same time that it is nearly impossible to selectively prevent people from having a substance. Although it would be nice, I would have them all banned and less lives lost taken over anything else.
Exactly. The government is so corrupt. The banning of psychedelics in the 60/70's was largely down to the government wanting to crack down on the "hippy movement" where LSD fueled hippies (sounds awesome) started to appose the government. The values of the hippies were far removed from the elite-Capitalist/anti-Communist values of 60's and 70's America and Britain and were seen as a threat to society and the government.Poseidon wrote:
Maybe so, but you get what I'm saying. Banning alcohol would be taking away our freedoms. That's why, frankly while I'd not be extremely fond of it, all drugs should be legal. It'd eliminate a lot of crime because there'd be no point for drug dealers to feud, and everything else that comes from drugs. The drug-enduced black markets would be eliminated.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Maybe they're unruly at sport games because of alcohol
Mind altering substances ftl... but unfortunately society would give away their freedom before they gave away their substance addictions so alcohol will never go away..
Psychedelic drugs help people on the road to realising that violence is wrong, life is about the persuit of happiness: thats the only meaning to life, to be as happy as you can be. And killing people for gain isn't going to make anyone happy. Hardly what a government based on the gaining of profit via war, and founded on mass genocide (North American Indians) wants it's citizens thinking.
There's tons of other reasons why the "War on Drugs" has been allowed to continue, some have been mentioned, others havn't.
Painkillers are available easily and you don't see a mass amount of people getting high off of them.CommieChipmunk wrote:
No, I wouldn't smoke it.. but I would assume that it would be more accessible and more people would smoke it. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone would smoke it...
Since a lot of people can't use prescription drugs responsibly, should we ban those too?
Are we talking advil? Tylenol?Poseidon wrote:
Painkillers are available easily and you don't see a mass amount of people getting high off of them.CommieChipmunk wrote:
No, I wouldn't smoke it.. but I would assume that it would be more accessible and more people would smoke it. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone would smoke it...
Since a lot of people can't use prescription drugs responsibly, should we ban those too?
You can't get morphine at your local supermarket next to the cough syrup...
Would people drive drunk without cars?nukchebi0 wrote:
Would people drive drunk without alcohol?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
People will hurt people regardless of if they are on drugs or not. That argument is fairly shallow.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, it would be ideally. But time has proven that some people will cause harm to others, and at the same time that it is nearly impossible to selectively prevent people from having a substance. Although it would be nice, I would have them all banned and less lives lost taken over anything else.