JahManRed
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A pilot wrongly accused of training the 9/11 hijackers is entitled to claim damages, the Court of Appeal has ruled.
Judges said evidence suggested police and prosecutors were responsible for "serious defaults" in detaining Lotfi Raissi in jail for nearly five months.
The Algerian pilot was arrested under the Terrorism Act at his home in the UK soon after the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington in 2001. He was accused of having trained the 19 hijackers.

After seven days he was released but was re-arrested under a extradition warrant issued at the request of the US government.
He remained in Belmarsh Prison for four-and-a-half months until he was granted bail.
The Crown Prosecution Service, which was representing the US, had objected to bail.
In April 2002, a judge ruled that there was no evidence connecting him to terrorism.
Speaking after the judgement, Mr Raissi, 33, of west London, said he had suffered a miscarriage of justice, and had now been "completely exonerated".
"I am very glad. I always had faith in British justice.
He said his wrongful arrest had ruined his life and left him blacklisted as a pilot and unable to work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7244418.stm

This man would be rotting in Gitto if the US had its way. The UK police had to release him as they had no evidence to hold him. Then they shit on his human rights by locking him up, again with no evidence, at the USA's request.

Since when does  the sovereign Crown Prosecution Service of the UK represent the USA against one of its own citizens with no evidence to speak of?
The great Muslim round up began after 9/11. The majority of whom are still locked up with no trial or evidence against them and if the UK has anything to do with putting its own citizens there, then shame on them.

The mans life is ruined because he was jailed with no evidence. He can't get work and is now suing the UK tax payer. As he was detained at the USA's request. The US tax payer should fit the bill.
So send your cheques to:

Home Office
Direct Communications Unit
2 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-02-14 04:32:21)

M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Countries work together when rounding up terrorists, if he had been invovled in training those responsible for the 9/11 attacks but lived in the UK then I don't really see what's wrong with detaining him for an ally. You can't let these people get away just because they live in a different country to the one that was attacked.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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This is a feature of the 'war of terror', round people up, lock them away.
Never mind if the intel is crap or if they're nobodies.
How many people are still in Guantanamo? He was very lucky not to end up there.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6534|eXtreme to the maX
Countries work together when rounding up terrorists, if he had been invovled in training those responsible for the 9/11 attacks but lived in the UK then I don't really see what's wrong with detaining him for an ally. You can't let these people get away just because they live in a different country to the one that was attacked.
The problem here is he wasn't a terrorist and his life is now a wreck.
Fuck Israel
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6651|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:

Countries work together when rounding up terrorists, if he had been invovled in training those responsible for the 9/11 attacks but lived in the UK then I don't really see what's wrong with detaining him for an ally. You can't let these people get away just because they live in a different country to the one that was attacked.
The problem here is he wasn't a terrorist and his life is now a wreck.
They didn't know he wasn't a terrorist at the time, besides there must be some reason why he was suspected of being one.
JahManRed
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Countries work together when rounding up terrorists, if he had been invovled in training those responsible for the 9/11 attacks but lived in the UK then I don't really see what's wrong with detaining him for an ally. You can't let these people get away just because they live in a different country to the one that was attacked.
The problem here is he wasn't a terrorist and his life is now a wreck.
I have no problems extraditing terrorist suspects to the USA. If the evidence is there and it is presented to and well checked by the UK police and a judge. Also they have to go into the USA legal system and be tried in its courts, not a military internment camp outside international laws which uses torture (as admitted 2 days ago by the UK home secretary David Miliband) to obtain its 'evidence'. 


In answer to a question from a Jeremy Vine show listener, Mr Miliband said the UK defined water-boarding as torture, adding that "we don't... we would never use water-boarding".
Mr Miliband told BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show there was "absolutely no question" that torture was illegal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7241189.stm

If the UK Home Secretary admits that water boarding is torture and that torture is illegal then is obliged to stop all extradition to the USA for terrorist charges.
JahManRed
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Countries work together when rounding up terrorists, if he had been invovled in training those responsible for the 9/11 attacks but lived in the UK then I don't really see what's wrong with detaining him for an ally. You can't let these people get away just because they live in a different country to the one that was attacked.
The problem here is he wasn't a terrorist and his life is now a wreck.
They didn't know he wasn't a terrorist at the time, besides there must be some reason why he was suspected of being one.
"there must be some reason why he was suspected of being one"    sorry but that's not good enough. Our governments have to be transparent to their people. The protecting national security excuse doesn't hold water with me. Taking away a citizens freedom and human rights is against National security..................as it fucks with the Security of a National.

Its just been on the radio.......the USA had no evidence and even after 5 months they couldn't produce any. If he had of went to Gitto he would be there with no way out. Fair play to the UK for not sending him. But they still pandered to the USA for 5 months.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Evidence gathering isn't a simple snap of the fingers and there it is on the table. It takes long periods of time, if he were a terrorist and he was released during the course of trying to obtain evidence on him he could have committed a terrorist act. Even if they had police watching him 24/7 it would have cost more money to do that than simply hold him. Caution of the suspected is the best policy until they are proven guilty or innocent.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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He was arrested in the UK, quit whining at the US.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Evidence gathering isn't a simple snap of the fingers and there it is on the table. It takes long periods of time, if he were a terrorist and he was released during the course of trying to obtain evidence on him he could have committed a terrorist act. Even if they had police watching him 24/7 it would have cost more money to do that than simply hold him. Caution of the suspected is the best policy until they are proven guilty or innocent.
Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Evidence gathering isn't a simple snap of the fingers and there it is on the table. It takes long periods of time, if he were a terrorist and he was released during the course of trying to obtain evidence on him he could have committed a terrorist act. Even if they had police watching him 24/7 it would have cost more money to do that than simply hold him. Caution of the suspected is the best policy until they are proven guilty or innocent.
Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Evidence gathering isn't a simple snap of the fingers and there it is on the table. It takes long periods of time, if he were a terrorist and he was released during the course of trying to obtain evidence on him he could have committed a terrorist act. Even if they had police watching him 24/7 it would have cost more money to do that than simply hold him. Caution of the suspected is the best policy until they are proven guilty or innocent.
Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
Probably for the same reason that many innocent people were held at Gitmo.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:


Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
Probably for the same reason that many innocent people were held at Gitmo.
Which is?
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
Probably for the same reason that many innocent people were held at Gitmo.
Which is?
Bad information, he's a Muslim, he had a pilot's license, the hijackers may have tried to hire him for flight training, or any other number of weak and flimsy reasons.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2008-02-14 09:44:16)

David.P
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Dilbert_X wrote:

This is a feature of the 'war of terror', round people up, lock them away.
You know the saying fight fire with fire, Or in this case Brutality with Brutality.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker

M.O.A.B wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Evidence gathering isn't a simple snap of the fingers and there it is on the table. It takes long periods of time, if he were a terrorist and he was released during the course of trying to obtain evidence on him he could have committed a terrorist act. Even if they had police watching him 24/7 it would have cost more money to do that than simply hold him. Caution of the suspected is the best policy until they are proven guilty or innocent.
Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
They use a bingo wheel and assemble the names of suspects as the letters drop out.  Much more entertaining.
JahManRed
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Stingray24 wrote:

He was arrested in the UK, quit whining at the US.
He was arrested on the USA's request/orders. He was held for 5months while the USA tried and failed to find any evidence against him. Now he is suing the British tax payer for millions.
usmarine
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Stingray24 wrote:

He was arrested in the UK, quit whining at the US.
Wraith
Member
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usmarine wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

He was arrested in the UK, quit whining at the US.
He was arrested because the US requested it.  Quit trying to dodge your countrys responsibility for the costs they have caused us.
miley
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David.P wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

This is a feature of the 'war of terror', round people up, lock them away.
You know the saying fight fire with fire, Or in this case Brutality with Brutality.
I'm interested to know what size blinkers you wear?
After many years on the net I have to say that you sir are the most incredibly ignorant, one sided, tunnel visioned, narrow minded fools it has been my misfortune to come across.

You know the saying once an asshole.......................
David.P
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miley wrote:

David.P wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

This is a feature of the 'war of terror', round people up, lock them away.
You know the saying fight fire with fire, Or in this case Brutality with Brutality.
I'm interested to know what size blinkers you wear?
After many years on the net I have to say that you sir are the most incredibly ignorant, one sided, tunnel visioned, narrow minded fools it has been my misfortune to come across.

You know the saying once an asshole.......................
I know! It's great being an asshole!
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6651|Escea

Stingray24 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:


Great, let's lock you up without evidence, and hold you until you are proven innocent; tis a bit backwards from the innocent until proven guilty.  Then after you've lost everything you own, and have been blacklisted from your field of work, lets see just how much you like this policy.
So why was he suspected? They didn't just get a hat full of names and pull his out.
They use a bingo wheel and assemble the names of suspects as the letters drop out.  Much more entertaining.
lols
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
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JahManRed wrote:

The US tax payer should fit the bill.
So send your cheques to:

Home Office
Direct Communications Unit
2 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF
OK sure. They will accept coins right?

Here's my .02

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2008-02-14 12:09:22)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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OK sure. They will accept coins right?

Here's my .02
CIA HQ
'Hey there's this Teflon Shadow guy who posts weird stuff on the net - lets lock him up for six months and see if we can find some dirt on him'

I assume you'd want more than 2 cents?
Fuck Israel

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