BF2S Forums paranoia....an observation

lowing wrote:

All of this bullshit about how I endorse genocide, rounding up the Muslims and putting them in concentration camps, and countless other accusations was never said by me.

lowing wrote:

You all think the Patriot Act is George Bush listening in on your phone calls as if this administration has nothing better to do than listen to you tell your friends how the new girl you are dating won't fuck you yet. It is a tool to make it easier to build evidence to capture bad guys. Nothing more. Yet, you all insist we are headed to an "Orwellian" state and this is the beginning of the end for the US and freedom all together. Kinda paranoid if you ask me.

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

My next door neighbour can worship who ever the fuck they want Lowing, the big green luminous bunny, or, Satan or the fucking wombles for all I care. I don't give a fuck as long as they are not interfering with my liberty & freedom & the law protects me to insure it. clear?

That is crystal clear.

but it doesn't answer my question........would you choose to not move into a community of devil worshippers or next door to one??

Lowing I live in a community that slaughtered each other for nearly all my life, gruesome fucking carnage practically daily, a situation totally removed from the lives of those in white picket fence America as possible & it was all caused by Christian bigots, so please don't ask me stupid fucking questions mate about choosing to live beside satan worshipers, as far as i'm concerned it's all bollix man..

dayarath wrote:

Your implications on how we should solve the radical elements of the islam won't work.

Don't you think they'll be able to abuse people by other means than just religion? The most common people approached by radicals are living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. Heck they even use people with downs now. Also, it's easy to brew feelings of jelousy and even hate into people who haven't got it as good as we do in the west.

Firstly, eliminating an entire religion is practically impossible. Secondly, if you eliminate the religion the people who wish to destroy the west are still there, and probably will try to reach their goals by other means. Thirdly, if you try to destroy someone else's religion you will only worsen the relations because they will hate us even more.

Also, denying a muslim entry into a country because he's muslim will make an outburst in the middle east (if not the country itself), that's like racism wether you like it or not. What makes most people here think you're paranoid are lines like :

I say Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society, and I say that continued immigration of these Muslims into the west will cause problems because of the ease the radical elements can blend in.

"of these muslims" it's as if they're not even people in your eyes. Radical muslims make up barely half a percent of the actual amount of muslims in the world. Most muslims with the intentions to blow themselves up have been brainwashed in their homelands before coming to the west / are as written above, living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. You're just advocating here to throw everyone on one heap and treat 99% of the total muslim population just like the 1% that is radical. What do you think that'll solve? Nothing. It'll only make them hate us more, heck probably the entire middle east will come after us for that.

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sounds to me like yo are a bigot against those that slaughter each other because you would choose not to live amongst them.

Eh? what shite are you talking man!! i'm against bigots that slaughter so that makes me a bigot? is that what you are actually saying to me Lowing? do you actually know what a  bigot is Lowing? I really dont think you do.. I'm leaving this conversation now because you're just typing fucking non-sense drivel apu..

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Your implications on how we should solve the radical elements of the islam won't work.

Don't you think they'll be able to abuse people by other means than just religion? The most common people approached by radicals are living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. Heck they even use people with downs now. Also, it's easy to brew feelings of jelousy and even hate into people who haven't got it as good as we do in the west.

Firstly, eliminating an entire religion is practically impossible. Secondly, if you eliminate the religion the people who wish to destroy the west are still there, and probably will try to reach their goals by other means. Thirdly, if you try to destroy someone else's religion you will only worsen the relations because they will hate us even more.

Also, denying a muslim entry into a country because he's muslim will make an outburst in the middle east (if not the country itself), that's like racism wether you like it or not. What makes most people here think you're paranoid are lines like :

I say Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society, and I say that continued immigration of these Muslims into the west will cause problems because of the ease the radical elements can blend in.

"of these muslims" it's as if they're not even people in your eyes. Radical muslims make up barely half a percent of the actual amount of muslims in the world. Most muslims with the intentions to blow themselves up have been brainwashed in their homelands before coming to the west / are as written above, living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. You're just advocating here to throw everyone on one heap and treat 99% of the total muslim population just like the 1% that is radical. What do you think that'll solve? Nothing. It'll only make them hate us more, heck probably the entire middle east will come after us for that.

Well if 99% of the Muslims are just super, and less than 1% are bad guys why in the hell can they not reclaim their countries and thier religion and live happily ever after over there??? Seems pretty easy to do since as you put it, the radical element is sooooooooooooo small and apparently non-threatening. I want Islam to go home and police themselves. I will make a deal, we will leave the ME if they leave our country. Sounds fair to me. Our society is made up with Christian values in mind, like it or not. Our fore fathers did not have Islam in mind when writting our countries constitution or Declaration of Independance......Hell they didn't even have black men in mind. We have grown a lot over the past 250 years but I for 1 qm not ready to adopt Islam into my every day normal existance. I do not want foot washing stations all over the place I do not want people wearing burkas all over the place, I do not want their values, or lack of them mixed in with ours and I do not like green eggs and ham I do not like them Sam I am. Let me know if you spotted any PC in that paragraph and I will promptly remove it.

I find it kinda strang how I as an American can be so readily hated by people of the world and I can not think of a single instance where any of you labeled them as bigots or racists for doing so. Istead you justify them and rationalize them............Hmmmmmmmm, go figure

dayarath wrote:

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Your implications on how we should solve the radical elements of the islam won't work.

Don't you think they'll be able to abuse people by other means than just religion? The most common people approached by radicals are living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. Heck they even use people with downs now. Also, it's easy to brew feelings of jelousy and even hate into people who haven't got it as good as we do in the west.

Firstly, eliminating an entire religion is practically impossible. Secondly, if you eliminate the religion the people who wish to destroy the west are still there, and probably will try to reach their goals by other means. Thirdly, if you try to destroy someone else's religion you will only worsen the relations because they will hate us even more.

Also, denying a muslim entry into a country because he's muslim will make an outburst in the middle east (if not the country itself), that's like racism wether you like it or not. What makes most people here think you're paranoid are lines like :


"of these muslims" it's as if they're not even people in your eyes. Radical muslims make up barely half a percent of the actual amount of muslims in the world. Most muslims with the intentions to blow themselves up have been brainwashed in their homelands before coming to the west / are as written above, living in shit conditions without any positive outlook on life, or have social disturbances. You're just advocating here to throw everyone on one heap and treat 99% of the total muslim population just like the 1% that is radical. What do you think that'll solve? Nothing. It'll only make them hate us more, heck probably the entire middle east will come after us for that.

Well if 99% of the Muslims are just super, and less than 1% are bad guys why in the hell can they not reclaim their countries and thier religion and live happily ever after over there??? Seems pretty easy to do since as you put it, the radical element is sooooooooooooo small and apparently non-threatening. I want Islam to go home and police themselves. I will make a deal, we will leave the ME if they leave our country. Sounds fair to me. Our society is made up with Christian values in mind, like it or not. Our fore fathers did not have Islam in mind when writting our countries constitution or Declaration of Independance......Hell they didn't even have black men in mind. We have grown a lot over the past 250 years but I for 1 qm not ready to adopt Islam into my every day normal existance. I do not want foot washing stations all over the place I do not want people wearing burkas all over the place, I do not want their values, or lack of them mixed in with ours and I do not like green eggs and ham I do not like them Sam I am. Let me know if you spotted any PC in that paragraph and I will promptly remove it.

I find it kinda strang how I as an American can be so readily hated by people of the world and I can not think of a single instance where any of you labeled them as bigots or racists for doing so. Istead you justify them and rationalize them............Hmmmmmmmm, go figure

Fragile countries are often found to be prey of dictators and people only with self interest. If it were just the religion blocking it would be alot easier, and africa would never be the way it is now (as example). Also, the middle east is pretty much getting war torn at this moment so rebuilding is hard aswell. Most others look at the west as some kind of country where the roads are paved with gold, they migrate here in hopes of getting better lives. Furthermore, we pretty much fucked up the whole area with the 1st and 2nd world war. They live in an entirely different way than we do.

And for that matter, christianity hasn't been fine and dandy through history either. What we've learned so far in the past years is that you should be able to keep people in their own values, as long as they don't harm others with it, and I don't think mr. average muslim harms you in any way for being a muslim. Ofcourse there is no need for foot washing stations or w/e over the place, but it's so very important that you keep people in their own values.

I'm not hating anyone for where they come from, I'm not justifying what the people that abuse religion are doing, THEY should be removed. Not the religion, because that would only make way for even bigger conflicts.

Iowing wrote:

good post however lets face it, the ME has been war torn since the beginning of recorded history........ Hardly due to US intervention.

Magpie wrote:

You paranoid infidel....Buddha will kick your ass

David.P wrote:

Buddha Ackbar!

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

So the question is..................who is paranoid again??

That guy Lowing is.

then how about addressing the OP and explain?

Stingray24 wrote:

Lowing has a valid points here gentlemen:

1. An unstable person shooting innocent people does not warrant the extreme step of taking away all means of defense from law abiding citizens.
2. Thinking that the government is eavesdropping on your conversation with your grandma in Idaho because of the Patriot Act requires a tinfoil hat.   
3. Islam governed by Sharia law does not blend with a free society in any way, shape, or form.  They are polar opposites.
4. He has never condemned all Muslims as radical.