Yea, and life isn't fair. Are all business owners evil because they might have employees who are *gasp* making them money?FallenMorgan wrote:
Agreed, but yet it's unfair that some guy who works two jobs to support his/her family gets a musty apartment in a not-too-good neighborhood, while some guy who owns a big corporation just sits on his ass, gets fat, and gets laid by some female either a few decades younger or a few pounds lighter than him. It irritates me when there's a big rift between the elite and the commoners, the Proletariate.
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There's a difference between working hard and sitting on your ass while other people work hard to fill your pockets.
i have to work. ill be back to argue more.
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Ill take over for yah.Des.Kmal wrote:
i have to work. ill be back to argue more.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Obviously not enough, or they wouldn't be billionaires.SenorToenails wrote:
Yep. That's pretty obvious. If becoming rich were easy, then everyone would be.Rosse_modest wrote:
Because there's a lot of people who work their ass off really hard and are still struggling financially. Working hard does not mean you're rich, and being rich doesn't automatically mean you worked hard. Keeping all that wealth for yourself would be perverse.
But...Don't most billionaires donate quite a bit of money anyway?
...and never really working a day in your life also.SgtHeihn wrote:
The joys of being a teen and living off your parents, thats how.Mitch wrote:
Eliminate them??FallenMorgan wrote:
I believe in a moderate form of socialism, where the rich just get higher taxes but not so much that it's impossible to become any more wealthy than other people, just enough to eliminate multi-billionairs like Donald Trump. I also think Corporations need to be limited.
What the fuck are you talking about?
They are rich because they worked hard. If you wanna be rich, you work hard to.
God damn i honestly cannot see how someone thinks its unfair that there are people richer then yourself!
Thats probably the best solution. In a totally equalized state, people have no incentive to work harder, and every incentive to slack off.PBAsydney wrote:
Iceland seems to have hit the sweet spot between left and right. We have free health care, free college etc. and there are still clever businessmen here who manage to stay so filthy rich that you want to slap them.Des.Kmal wrote:
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Seems like instead of evening everything out, you should just give the lower end some basic qualities and that's it, the higher end stays high with a tad higher tax.
And Kmal, I've spent a decade and a half in school, and still have nearly a decade more, and I expect to get a ridiculous salary for my hard work, and those kids who partied in high school and flunked out will have a life that sucks, but thats the penalty for shortsightedness. If anyone supports total wage equality between the engineers and the janitors, then I hope they're ready for a society full of lazy janitors and collapsed bridges.
You also think it's fair that society is ruled by these people who buy off politicians and thus get no taxes? You seem to be looking at it from the perspective of somebody who can barely afford to live in California. Both my parents didn't go to college and they work not-so-good jobs, so according to your theory, they're being "punished" by not having good jobs. I'm being "punished" by not being plain old middle class and whatnot. Basically your theory is bull.Des.Kmal wrote:
so?!?! he shouldve worked smarter, not harder.FallenMorgan wrote:
Agreed, but yet it's unfair that some guy who works two jobs to support his/her family gets a musty apartment in a not-too-good neighborhood, while some guy who owns a big corporation just sits on his ass, gets fat, and gets laid by some female either a few decades younger or a few pounds lighter than him. It irritates me when there's a big rift between the elite and the commoners, the Proletariate.PBAsydney wrote:
He should.SenorToenails wrote:
If someone works really hard to become a multi-billionaire, why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the fruits of his labor?
Someone who fucks over the less wealthy people with his big evil corporation, or who has special "friends" shouldn't.There's a difference between working hard and sitting on your ass while other people work hard to fill your pockets.Mitch wrote:
Eliminate them??
What the fuck are you talking about?
They are rich because they worked hard. If you wanna be rich, you work hard to.
God damn i honestly cannot see how someone thinks its unfair that there are people richer then yourself!
lol
just cuz they worked their ass in high school, got into a good college, and proceeded to make more money than they guy who dropped out in 10th grade and does contruction work does NOT mean that the rich guy should be penalized for being better at making money.... -.-
Oh my. If a man has $2 billion, and donates $1 billion, he is still a billionaire. And he gave away half of his wealth. But he didn't give enough because he still has half of the money he earned (and retails the title "Billionaire"?Rosse_modest wrote:
Obviously not enough, or they wouldn't be billionaires.
So you think being a billionair is bad?Rosse_modest wrote:
Obviously not enough, or they wouldn't be billionaires.SenorToenails wrote:
Yep. That's pretty obvious. If becoming rich were easy, then everyone would be.Rosse_modest wrote:
Because there's a lot of people who work their ass off really hard and are still struggling financially. Working hard does not mean you're rich, and being rich doesn't automatically mean you worked hard. Keeping all that wealth for yourself would be perverse.
But...Don't most billionaires donate quite a bit of money anyway?
Your going sit there on your computer, and tell me that its bad that someone is insanely rich, and you arent?
They had intellegence, and a great amount of luck.
So your saying that it's not fair that he was smarter and luckier than you, and that you should get something from them?
News flash, the rich PAY ALL THE FUCKING TAXES.
You honestly think your 30k a year job supplies enough taxes to do shit? no. they dont.
15 more years! 15 more years!
I did. Her dad's lesson of imparting of an earned GPA of her daughter to her daughter's friend apparently taught the lesson of socialism..so I imparted an equally ludicrous and yet hypocritical example back to her dad.Des.Kmal wrote:
wow.IRONCHEF wrote:
+1 for socialism! End corporate greed and class separation!
Did she ask her dad if he's planning on holding on to his social security checks once they started coming? or would he revolt and tear them up since he's so anti-socialist?
you missed the point. did u even read the passage?
And yes, I'm for socialism. not total socialism, and not just what we now have as a nation (which is alot), but a moderate amount. Yes, there can be rich and poor, but since the divide is growing between these classes, it seems more problematic and some socialist or private solution would be nice since it's not likely rich people will give a shit about their neighbor. And yes, even poor freeloaders should get theirs..but not in the manner it's currently given...there should be proper incentive based support to the poor.
YES, Eat the rich, the only good thing their ever good for! Take one bite now and come back for more.SenorToenails wrote:
Yea, and life isn't fair. Are all business owners evil because they might have employees who are *gasp* making them money?FallenMorgan wrote:
Agreed, but yet it's unfair that some guy who works two jobs to support his/her family gets a musty apartment in a not-too-good neighborhood, while some guy who owns a big corporation just sits on his ass, gets fat, and gets laid by some female either a few decades younger or a few pounds lighter than him. It irritates me when there's a big rift between the elite and the commoners, the Proletariate.
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There's a difference between working hard and sitting on your ass while other people work hard to fill your pockets.
To FallenMorgan, You say the rich should get their wealth stripped and spread around. What about Pro sports, Music, Movies. They all have people in it making millions for doing not that much. Should they be limited in their earning too?
What defines "The Rich"
Is it anyone who has more than you?
Should Donald Trump be mad that Bill Gates has a few more billion than him? Should Bill Gates pay Donald because he has more?
Should a man who makes 80k a year give money to a man that makes 30k??
Is it anyone who has more than you?
Should Donald Trump be mad that Bill Gates has a few more billion than him? Should Bill Gates pay Donald because he has more?
Should a man who makes 80k a year give money to a man that makes 30k??
15 more years! 15 more years!
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.SgtHeihn wrote:
YES, Eat the rich, the only good thing their ever good for! Take one bite now and come back for more.SenorToenails wrote:
Yea, and life isn't fair. Are all business owners evil because they might have employees who are *gasp* making them money?FallenMorgan wrote:
Agreed, but yet it's unfair that some guy who works two jobs to support his/her family gets a musty apartment in a not-too-good neighborhood, while some guy who owns a big corporation just sits on his ass, gets fat, and gets laid by some female either a few decades younger or a few pounds lighter than him. It irritates me when there's a big rift between the elite and the commoners, the Proletariate.
...
There's a difference between working hard and sitting on your ass while other people work hard to fill your pockets.
To FallenMorgan, You say the rich should get their wealth stripped and spread around. What about Pro sports, Music, Movies. They all have people in it making millions for doing not that much. Should they be limited in their earning too?
punished? rofl!!!!You also think it's fair that society is ruled by these people who buy off politicians and thus get no taxes? You seem to be looking at it from the perspective of somebody who can barely afford to live in California. Both my parents didn't go to college and they work not-so-good jobs, so according to your theory, they're being "punished" by not having good jobs. I'm being "punished" by not being plain old middle class and whatnot. Basically your theory is bull.
no. they just shouldve done better.
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He should live how he fucking wants to live! Not how the fucking government tells him he can live!FallenMorgan wrote:
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.SgtHeihn wrote:
YES, Eat the rich, the only good thing their ever good for! Take one bite now and come back for more.SenorToenails wrote:
Yea, and life isn't fair. Are all business owners evil because they might have employees who are *gasp* making them money?
To FallenMorgan, You say the rich should get their wealth stripped and spread around. What about Pro sports, Music, Movies. They all have people in it making millions for doing not that much. Should they be limited in their earning too?
If he spends the first 30 years of his fucking life, starting a business from scratch, and now hes 50 and has a thriving business and billions in income, you think it would be right for the government to take his profits and give them to others???
Thats the biggest load of bullshit ive ever fucking heard dude!!!!
If he wants to live the lifestyle of a 10-billionair, he fucking can!!
Why should he be limited to how he can live, just because hes better then everyone else!!!!!!!!!
If you apply the same idea to ANYTHING ELSE you realize its complete bullshit!
15 more years! 15 more years!
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically you had to collect cans to pay rent on a crappy apartment?Mitch wrote:
He should live how he fucking wants to live! Not how the fucking government tells him he can live!FallenMorgan wrote:
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.SgtHeihn wrote:
YES, Eat the rich, the only good thing their ever good for! Take one bite now and come back for more.
To FallenMorgan, You say the rich should get their wealth stripped and spread around. What about Pro sports, Music, Movies. They all have people in it making millions for doing not that much. Should they be limited in their earning too?
If he spends the first 30 years of his fucking life, starting a business from scratch, and now hes 50 and has a thriving business and billions in income, you think it would be right for the government to take his profits and give them to others???
Thats the biggest load of bullshit ive ever fucking heard dude!!!!
If he wants to live the lifestyle of a 10-billionair, he fucking can!!
Why should he be limited to how he can live, just because hes better then everyone else!!!!!!!!!
If you apply the same idea to ANYTHING ELSE you realize its complete bullshit!
Seriously, what is the incentive to make ungodly amounts of money if you can't enjoy it. Besides, it will be taxed at some point, so the government is getting its share. Why would I want to make more than $1 billion if I knew that the government would just take it?FallenMorgan wrote:
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.
Ok, you work your whole life on projects that make you money, then the government comes in and says you are too rich, we are taking you money.
That sounds to me a lot like Communism, or a Dictatorship.
oh here is one rich guy sitting on his ass not doing anything
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_M … Foundation
and another
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/56-donald-trump
When you go out and live in the real world and have a real job come on back and talk to us about how wealth should be used
That sounds to me a lot like Communism, or a Dictatorship.
oh here is one rich guy sitting on his ass not doing anything
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_M … Foundation
and another
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/56-donald-trump
When you go out and live in the real world and have a real job come on back and talk to us about how wealth should be used
interesting stats for you... The US makes up nearly one fifth of the worlds total GDP, at 13.86 trillion a year, with a population of just over 300 million. Meanwhile communist China produces just over 7 trillion a year, with a population of over 1.3 billion... something tells me capitalism is working just a bit better in the real world
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If I had to collect cans to pay for rent, I wouldn't live in such an expensive place. It's not that hard to make ends meet if you live responsibly.FallenMorgan wrote:
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically you had to collect cans to pay rent on a crappy apartment?
Yes I do feel the same. I live in San Clemente, CA in a $1300 a mo apartment, I don't worry about how people are rich. I am worried about myself, and bettering a life for my family.FallenMorgan wrote:
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically you had to collect cans to pay rent on a crappy apartment?Mitch wrote:
He should live how he fucking wants to live! Not how the fucking government tells him he can live!FallenMorgan wrote:
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.
If he spends the first 30 years of his fucking life, starting a business from scratch, and now hes 50 and has a thriving business and billions in income, you think it would be right for the government to take his profits and give them to others???
Thats the biggest load of bullshit ive ever fucking heard dude!!!!
If he wants to live the lifestyle of a 10-billionair, he fucking can!!
Why should he be limited to how he can live, just because hes better then everyone else!!!!!!!!!
If you apply the same idea to ANYTHING ELSE you realize its complete bullshit!
If someone is better off then me I don't want to take what they worked for. I say good for them.
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I agree that some people who are rich do good things. But I'm talking about the people who just sit on their ass and wouldn't give a dollar bill to a homeless guy on the street corner.SgtHeihn wrote:
Ok, you work your whole life on projects that make you money, then the government comes in and says you are too rich, we are taking you money.
That sounds to me a lot like Communism, or a Dictatorship.
oh here is one rich guy sitting on his ass not doing anything
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_M … Foundation
and another
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/56-donald-trump
When you go out and live in the real world and have a real job come on back and talk to us about how wealth should be used
didnt realize how fucked up liberal-ideals are... taking money from people who earned it and GIVING it to people who fucked off their entire life..... damn...
fuck that.
thats alot different than having the government TAKE money and give it to people who they "think needs it more"I agree that some people who are rich do good things. But I'm talking about the people who just sit on their ass and wouldn't give a dollar bill to a homeless guy on the street corner.
fuck that.
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Sorry socialists, but thats the cold, hard truth. All wage rates in the country are set at or near market level, meaning that a person who makes billions of dollars has produced billions of dollars, while a person who makes nothing, produces nothing.Des.Kmal wrote:
punished? rofl!!!!You also think it's fair that society is ruled by these people who buy off politicians and thus get no taxes? You seem to be looking at it from the perspective of somebody who can barely afford to live in California. Both my parents didn't go to college and they work not-so-good jobs, so according to your theory, they're being "punished" by not having good jobs. I'm being "punished" by not being plain old middle class and whatnot. Basically your theory is bull.
no. they just shouldve done better.
An engineer gets paid to design a bridge that millions of people will depend on for their livelihood, a business man will provide jobs and means to thousands of employees, and an athlete will provide millions of people a few hours of entertainment. They get paid so much because there is no one else in the world capable of doing what they do.
Your salary is directly related to how much you do for society, and that is how it should be.
Yes! I fucking would! Sure, i'de say 'Wow i wish i had that kind of money' but it doesn't mean it should be given to me.FallenMorgan wrote:
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically you had to collect cans to pay rent on a crappy apartment?Mitch wrote:
He should live how he fucking wants to live! Not how the fucking government tells him he can live!FallenMorgan wrote:
I don't think they should be stripped down to dirt-poor level, I just think some guy who has 3 billion dollars just sitting there should have atleast 1 or 2 of that billion nationalized. A billion dollars is a lot, enough to allow somebody to just sit on their ass their whole life almost. With a billion dollars we can fix roads, build schools, and so on.
If he spends the first 30 years of his fucking life, starting a business from scratch, and now hes 50 and has a thriving business and billions in income, you think it would be right for the government to take his profits and give them to others???
Thats the biggest load of bullshit ive ever fucking heard dude!!!!
If he wants to live the lifestyle of a 10-billionair, he fucking can!!
Why should he be limited to how he can live, just because hes better then everyone else!!!!!!!!!
If you apply the same idea to ANYTHING ELSE you realize its complete bullshit!
Why doesn't fucking Hilary Clinton, and Nancy Polocy and fucking Barbara Strisand offer up they're money. They're fucking massively rich, and all they do is sit on they're ass! I don't see them donating any of their fucking money!
What if Mr. Billionair made 5 billion in profit but has to put 4 billion back in his company for new equipment, but the government takes the 4 billion to give to the poor. All of the sudden your life is being ruined.
15 more years! 15 more years!