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2008-02-21 05:17:17
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


But the extremist doesn't base they actions on the teachings found in the Quran ... that is the issue at hand lowing, they mix religion with a political agenda and act upon that ... if the extremists acted solely on the teachings found in the Quran they wouldn't have been extremists.
Lotsa lotsa quotes by the prophet Muhammad that begs to differ.
Take into consideration the mostrosities at and by Christianity from the time of Jesus until the meet at Nicaea in 325, kinda looks like what Muhammed did to force Islam through as a religion.

Comparing the two prophets i'd agree Muhammed was the more violent one but the Quran is a result of his repent and Islam does not promote violence like you give them credit for.

And like mentioned earlier both in Islam and Christianity you can find violent quotes from their holy books but that really just is how society worked back then ... as an example of outdated text you may just look at the laws you live under in any western countries today to find equal idiotic quotes and take into consideration that the Quran and the Bible is 2000+ years old ...
The prophet Muhammad is credited ,among other things, for personally beheading of over 600 people. Articles have been posted countless times about  stonings and severe prinson sentences, for some of the most rediculous things. This is today!. This is not 2000 years ago. The violence over the cartoon is today, not 2000 yaers ago. This religion/ culture is opressive and violent and cruel. 

You all state that your countries have a very small percentage of Muslims and ya hardly notice them and they do not bother you, yet you insist that this small percentage of Muslims should be used as an example as to how "real" muslims act and live. I am sorry ya can't have it both ways. If your Muslim population is so small and insignificant, then they can not be used to DEFEND Islam, as apparently, I can not use them to condemn it. SO which is it, is Islamic immigration to Europe significant or not?? If so, that pretty much says you are in denial about Islamic immigration to Europe not being significant. If it isn't then you can not use European Muslims as an example as to how or what Islam REALLY is.




I am sorry, if you can not say honestly that you see a comparision between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, I feel you are simply in denial. That map pretty much speaks for itself, and all it was was a map of Muslim populations.
2008-02-21 06:20:47
Varegg
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I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
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2008-02-21 06:32:54
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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Varegg wrote:

I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
I think one of the reasons that radical Islam is being "singled out" from other radical faiths is the violence factor.  I am not saying that Islam is violent when practiced reasonably, but that its followers are far more willing to use violence to get what they want.  Some fundamentalist Christians bombed abortion clinics in the US.  But not many.  How often is there a killing attributed to Islam?
2008-02-21 06:45:48
Varegg
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SenorToenails wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
I think one of the reasons that radical Islam is being "singled out" from other radical faiths is the violence factor.  I am not saying that Islam is violent when practiced reasonably, but that its followers are far more willing to use violence to get what they want.  Some fundamentalist Christians bombed abortion clinics in the US.  But not many.  How often is there a killing attributed to Islam?
I take your point, and that exact point is what we are trying to explain to lowing ...

But one also have to understand the underlying wrath against western society by Islam in general, don't forget that as a factor and by what means they have at their disposal to "avenge" themselves towards our behaviour towards them - we send a carrier while all they have is "stick & stones"
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2008-02-21 06:58:23
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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Varegg wrote:

I take your point, and that exact point is what we are trying to explain to lowing ...

But one also have to understand the underlying wrath against western society by Islam in general, don't forget that as a factor and by what means they have at their disposal to "avenge" themselves towards our behaviour towards them - we send a carrier while all they have is "stick & stones"
What wrath does Islam have against the west?  Perhaps arabs have some gripe about being colonized and industrialized.
2008-02-21 07:01:45
Varegg
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SenorToenails wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I take your point, and that exact point is what we are trying to explain to lowing ...

But one also have to understand the underlying wrath against western society by Islam in general, don't forget that as a factor and by what means they have at their disposal to "avenge" themselves towards our behaviour towards them - we send a carrier while all they have is "stick & stones"
What wrath does Islam have against the west?  Perhaps arabs have some gripe about being colonized and industrialized.
Think you just touched it right there ... how has the western world behaved towards the ME the last 200 years, we can infact go back 2000 years while we are at it ...

This has developed into a canyon of distrust both ways ...
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2008-02-21 18:51:33
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
2008-02-22 03:55:31
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
Ehr ... actually the answers to your two new questions is still in the quote you quoted ...

I didn't single out NA, you drew that conclusion.

Can only speak for myself of course, I don't use the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how I tolerate Muslims on a global scale, I have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.
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2008-02-22 04:41:31
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I'm not in denial lowing ...

I actually don't think any of the frequent posters on this topic have used the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how we tolerate Muslims on a global scale, we have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.

I don't see the comparison between Islam and the violent hot spots in the world, i do see the comparison between religion and the violent hot spots around the the world - i don't single out Islam like you do.

And for the record lowing i distrust radical Islam just as much as you, i also distrust radical Christianity and other radical branches of other religions ...
IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
Ehr ... actually the answers to your two new questions is still in the quote you quoted ...

I didn't single out NA, you drew that conclusion.

Can only speak for myself of course, I don't use the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how I tolerate Muslims on a global scale, I have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.
Ok, but when I speak about Islam why would you assume that I am including the "small insignificant" presence in Europe? Which apparently does not represent the MAJORITY of Islam as a whole. It would appear that small percentage of Muslims in Europe could be considered the exception and not the rule....

Which means my opinions on Islam could pretty much be validated could they not?
2008-02-22 04:51:25
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
Ehr ... actually the answers to your two new questions is still in the quote you quoted ...

I didn't single out NA, you drew that conclusion.

Can only speak for myself of course, I don't use the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how I tolerate Muslims on a global scale, I have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.
Ok, but when I speak about Islam why would you assume that I am including the "small insignificant" presence in Europe? Which apparently does not represent the MAJORITY of Islam as a whole. It would appear that small percentage of Muslims in Europe could be considered the exception and not the rule....

Which means my opinions on Islam could pretty much be validated could they not?
No not really, the responce concerning the Muslim populace in Europe is answered when you categoricly states that you don't wan't Muslims on your doorstep because of this and that and we or I if you like respond that in Europe we don't feel it that way with our Muslim populace.

When you speak of Islam you generalize so atleast i don't expect that you are including nor excluding the Muslims in Europe.
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2008-02-22 05:05:38
GorillaTicTacs
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lowing wrote:

IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
Funny you should ask...I wouldn't exactly call it "sudden".  Its sort of been the trend for years.

Robberies per capita
#1   Spain: 12.3265 per 1,000 people   
#2   Chile: 6.92522 per 1,000 people   
#3   Costa Rica: 4.79109 per 1,000 people   
#4   South Africa: 4.4434 per 1,000 people   
#5   Estonia: 3.56639 per 1,000 people   
#6   Mexico: 2.02555 per 1,000 people   
#7   Portugal: 1.6237 per 1,000 people   
#8   United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people   
#9   Uruguay: 1.57114 per 1,000 people   
#10   Poland: 1.38838 per 1,000 people   
#11   United States: 1.38527 per 1,000 people 

And the first "muslim" nation breaks in at #53 with Tunisia.

Rapes per capita, all countries:
#1   South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people   
#2   Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people   
#3   Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people   
#4   Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people   
#5   Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people   
#6   Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people   
#7   Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people   
#8   Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people   
#9   United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people   

The only first world countries that even come close - #3 Australia and #10 Iceland (?!?!), no "Islamic" countries break the top 30 (but in some, rape isn't reported as a crime, so results are a bit skewed).  Turkey has that honor at #53.

Murders per capita, all countries:
#1   Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people   
#2   South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people   
#3   Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people   
#4   Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people   
#5   Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people   
#6   Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people   
#7   Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people   
#8   Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people   
#9   Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people   
#10   Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people   
#11   Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people   
#12   Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people   
#13   Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people   
#14   Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people   
#15   Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people   
#16   Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people   
#17   Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people   
#18   Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people   
#19   Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people   
#20   Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people   
#21   Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people   
#22   Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people   
#23   Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people   
#24   United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people   
#25   Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people   
#26   India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people   
#27   Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people 

USA does a little better here than on the rape issue, we beat out the nearest Islamic nation by only 3 places.  Those eastern europeans are starting to look like some violent mo-fo's though, but I think its a drinking thing.

Murders, just with Firearms
#1   South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people   
#2   Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people   
#3   Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people   
#4   Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people   
#5   Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people   
#6   Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people   
#7   Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people   
#8   United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people 

No Islamic countries can touch this.  All other 1st-world nations start around #19 with Switzerland (?!?!).  That leaves open the question, what do those Russkies kill each other with...vodka drinking contests?

Assaults per Capita
#1   South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people   
#2   Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people   
#3   Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people   
#4   Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people   
#5   Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people   
#6   United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people   
#7   New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people   
#8   United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people   
#9   Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people   
#10   Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people   
#11   Finland: 5.32644 per 1,000 people   
#12   Iceland: 4.66406 per 1,000 people   
#13   Tunisia: 4.02561 per 1,000 people

At last, an Islamic nation breaks the top 20!

Finally, for all you death penalty lovers...Islam is tops!
#1   Bahamas, The: 6.62712 executions per 1 million   
#2   Singapore: 6.32625 executions per 1 million   
#3   Sierra Leone: 4.09068 executions per 1 million   
#4   Belarus: 3.20388 executions per 1 million   
#5   Rwanda: 2.84327 executions per 1 million   
#6   Kuwait: 2.56849 executions per 1 million   
#7   Oman: 1.99867 executions per 1 million   
#8   Congo: 1.64571 executions per 1 million   
#9   Jordan: 1.5625 executions per 1 million   
#10   Taiwan: 1.39775 executions per 1 million   
#11   Saudi Arabia: 1.09774 executions per 1 million   
#12   Iran: 0.970331 executions per 1 million   
#13   Yemen: 0.820186 executions per 1 million   
#14   China: 0.816802 executions per 1 million   
#15   Kyrgyzstan: 0.777303 executions per 1 million   
#16   Egypt: 0.619307 executions per 1 million   
#17   Lebanon: 0.522739 executions per 1 million   
#18   Cuba: 0.440645 executions per 1 million   
#19   Afghanistan: 0.334124 executions per 1 million   
#20   United States: 0.229936 executions per 1 million   

Finally, something to be proud of, we can kill our criminals with the best of them.  The difference is that our criminals deserve it more, right?

Its always nice to have some stats to put things in perspective.  Personally, I love my muslim neighbors in my ap. complex compared to the others (2 Turkish and 1 Iraqi family).  They never get drunk at 2am and start massive fights that wake up my kid (unlike my British or Ukrainian neighbors), never touch anything that isn't theirs in the stairwells, always say hello and thank you, and have been the only wives to invite my wife to tea (my wife invited the Brit once, doesn't count).  Not once was I ever threatened with conversion, nor has a burka been sacked on my wife's head out of nowhere.
2008-02-22 07:02:08
lowing
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GorillaTicTacs wrote:

lowing wrote:

IS North America, a predominantly Christian continent, a violent hot spot in the world all of a sudden??

European Muslims are used by everyone in this forum as proof that Islam isn't violent or intolerant, and you know it. So how can they be the yard stick for Islamic behavior if they are not a significant presence in Europe, as you all contend?
Funny you should ask...I wouldn't exactly call it "sudden".  Its sort of been the trend for years.

Robberies per capita
#1   Spain: 12.3265 per 1,000 people   
#2   Chile: 6.92522 per 1,000 people   
#3   Costa Rica: 4.79109 per 1,000 people   
#4   South Africa: 4.4434 per 1,000 people   
#5   Estonia: 3.56639 per 1,000 people   
#6   Mexico: 2.02555 per 1,000 people   
#7   Portugal: 1.6237 per 1,000 people   
#8   United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people   
#9   Uruguay: 1.57114 per 1,000 people   
#10   Poland: 1.38838 per 1,000 people   
#11   United States: 1.38527 per 1,000 people 

And the first "muslim" nation breaks in at #53 with Tunisia.

Rapes per capita, all countries:
#1   South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people   
#2   Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people   
#3   Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people   
#4   Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people   
#5   Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people   
#6   Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people   
#7   Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people   
#8   Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people   
#9   United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people   

The only first world countries that even come close - #3 Australia and #10 Iceland (?!?!), no "Islamic" countries break the top 30 (but in some, rape isn't reported as a crime, so results are a bit skewed).  Turkey has that honor at #53.

Murders per capita, all countries:
#1   Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people   
#2   South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people   
#3   Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people   
#4   Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people   
#5   Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people   
#6   Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people   
#7   Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people   
#8   Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people   
#9   Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people   
#10   Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people   
#11   Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people   
#12   Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people   
#13   Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people   
#14   Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people   
#15   Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people   
#16   Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people   
#17   Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people   
#18   Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people   
#19   Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people   
#20   Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people   
#21   Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people   
#22   Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people   
#23   Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people   
#24   United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people   
#25   Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people   
#26   India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people   
#27   Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people 

USA does a little better here than on the rape issue, we beat out the nearest Islamic nation by only 3 places.  Those eastern europeans are starting to look like some violent mo-fo's though, but I think its a drinking thing.

Murders, just with Firearms
#1   South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people   
#2   Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people   
#3   Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people   
#4   Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people   
#5   Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people   
#6   Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people   
#7   Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people   
#8   United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people 

No Islamic countries can touch this.  All other 1st-world nations start around #19 with Switzerland (?!?!).  That leaves open the question, what do those Russkies kill each other with...vodka drinking contests?

Assaults per Capita
#1   South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people   
#2   Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people   
#3   Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people   
#4   Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people   
#5   Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people   
#6   United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people   
#7   New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people   
#8   United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people   
#9   Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people   
#10   Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people   
#11   Finland: 5.32644 per 1,000 people   
#12   Iceland: 4.66406 per 1,000 people   
#13   Tunisia: 4.02561 per 1,000 people

At last, an Islamic nation breaks the top 20!

Finally, for all you death penalty lovers...Islam is tops!
#1   Bahamas, The: 6.62712 executions per 1 million   
#2   Singapore: 6.32625 executions per 1 million   
#3   Sierra Leone: 4.09068 executions per 1 million   
#4   Belarus: 3.20388 executions per 1 million   
#5   Rwanda: 2.84327 executions per 1 million   
#6   Kuwait: 2.56849 executions per 1 million   
#7   Oman: 1.99867 executions per 1 million   
#8   Congo: 1.64571 executions per 1 million   
#9   Jordan: 1.5625 executions per 1 million   
#10   Taiwan: 1.39775 executions per 1 million   
#11   Saudi Arabia: 1.09774 executions per 1 million   
#12   Iran: 0.970331 executions per 1 million   
#13   Yemen: 0.820186 executions per 1 million   
#14   China: 0.816802 executions per 1 million   
#15   Kyrgyzstan: 0.777303 executions per 1 million   
#16   Egypt: 0.619307 executions per 1 million   
#17   Lebanon: 0.522739 executions per 1 million   
#18   Cuba: 0.440645 executions per 1 million   
#19   Afghanistan: 0.334124 executions per 1 million   
#20   United States: 0.229936 executions per 1 million   

Finally, something to be proud of, we can kill our criminals with the best of them.  The difference is that our criminals deserve it more, right?

Its always nice to have some stats to put things in perspective.  Personally, I love my muslim neighbors in my ap. complex compared to the others (2 Turkish and 1 Iraqi family).  They never get drunk at 2am and start massive fights that wake up my kid (unlike my British or Ukrainian neighbors), never touch anything that isn't theirs in the stairwells, always say hello and thank you, and have been the only wives to invite my wife to tea (my wife invited the Brit once, doesn't count).  Not once was I ever threatened with conversion, nor has a burka been sacked on my wife's head out of nowhere.
Got it, so I am generalizing because I can say that Islam as it is practiced is a violent and intolerant religion/culture/society and can post link after link after linkj to support it but you can dismiss everything I said because you have a nice neighbor. Yeah that is fair. I wonder what your neighbor would think about you being openly gay.



Well gee whiz.....based on your stats, I should feel pretty safe moving to Iran or Pakistan huh? When do you leave?? I bet ya can't wait to experience the freedoms and quality of life I am sure you KNOW exists their based on your neighbors behavior.......While you are at it, if it is great over there and safe, and peaceful and tolerant ask then why they are over here. Ask them why All the Muslims are flocking to the west. Because based on your stats they appear safer back in the ME.

Last edited by lowing (2008-02-22 07:03:01)

2008-02-22 07:07:16
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Ehr ... actually the answers to your two new questions is still in the quote you quoted ...

I didn't single out NA, you drew that conclusion.

Can only speak for myself of course, I don't use the small percentage of Muslims in Europe as a measurement for how I tolerate Muslims on a global scale, I have however stated that the same amount of Muslims isn't considered a problem in Europe as you describe it.
Ok, but when I speak about Islam why would you assume that I am including the "small insignificant" presence in Europe? Which apparently does not represent the MAJORITY of Islam as a whole. It would appear that small percentage of Muslims in Europe could be considered the exception and not the rule....

Which means my opinions on Islam could pretty much be validated could they not?
No not really, the responce concerning the Muslim populace in Europe is answered when you categoricly states that you don't wan't Muslims on your doorstep because of this and that and we or I if you like respond that in Europe we don't feel it that way with our Muslim populace.

When you speak of Islam you generalize so atleast i don't expect that you are including nor excluding the Muslims in Europe.
When you speak of something and your opinions are based on the majority and not the exception, it is not fair to dismiss those opinions based on "generalizing"

 

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