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BAGHDAD - Anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr announced Friday that he has extended a cease-fire order to his Shiite militia for another six months, giving Iraq a chance to continue its fragile recovery from brutal sectarian violence.
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Well, sigh of relief here.
IRONCHEF
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He's gone home to Fallujah to fix up his crib.
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That sounds like the biggest news coming out of Iraq in years. Wow.
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IRONCHEF wrote:

He's gone home to Fallujah to fix up his crib.
Lol.

I still think he's biding his time.
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Spearhead
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So... if we kill him, people get pissed and blow up everything they see.

And if we don't kill him, he just waits for us to leave before taking over the country.

This is why we shouldn't be there to be honest.  If we have to hold back, and give one man so much power... honestly it's a sign of weakness.
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So... if we kill him, people get pissed and blow up everything they see.

And if we don't kill him, he just waits for us to leave before taking over the country.
If you do kill him someone even better will step in to take his place.

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Spearhead
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Hey Dilbert, the video in your sig was removed on youtube.

just fyi

What was it by the way?

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 04:26:08)

zeidmaan
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Whats even worse is that current US gov has extensively publisised the drop in violence statistics. They have hyped it up and braged about it so much that Sadr has them by the balls now. If he orders his militia to start fighting again he literally decides the US election. Because if violence sky rockets again no amount of bullshit will help the Republicans and very few people would believe that the situation is improving. And we all know the war will be a major deciding factor in next elections. Weird situation if you ask me.
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Spearhead wrote:

Hey Dilbert, the video in your sig was removed on youtube.

just fyi

What was it by the way?
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GunSlinger OIF II
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IRONCHEF wrote:

He's gone home to Fallujah to fix up his crib.
this is what fucking started it all.



Sadr = Shiite


Fallujah= home of sunnis

Sadr never set foot in fallujah or any other city in al anbar.

quit being an idiot

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-02-23 06:10:38)

GunSlinger OIF II
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this news really isnt a big deal.   you still have a lot of mahdi militia members that defy him.



oh yeah, mr dilbert x expert.  sadr isnt your ordinary run of the mill terrorist that you kill and he could get easily replace.  if you were so smart you would know that.  He has a long history with poor shiites.  He has his power because of his father, not because of his managing skills.  you kill sadr, you get a whole lot of depressed people, but you cant replace him all too well.

welcome to thinking you know the middle east because you grew up a diplomat's pampered kid. 

You guys give sadr way too much credit.  The effectiveness of his mahdi militia is marginal at best.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-02-23 07:04:45)

Jepeto87
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Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Jepeto87 wrote:

Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
the iraqi government dropped charges.



I was a part of the operation to get him in 2004, in najaf.   We had him surrounded, but he used some centuries old shiite mosque to hide in and our standing orders were to not enter this mosque.   we were a few hundred meters from the fucker while he was holed up inside, then the iraqi government said" no mas" and we left.
FEOS
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zeidmaan wrote:

Whats even worse is that current US gov has extensively publisised the drop in violence statistics. They have hyped it up and braged about it so much that Sadr has them by the balls now. If he orders his militia to start fighting again he literally decides the US election. Because if violence sky rockets again no amount of bullshit will help the Republicans and very few people would believe that the situation is improving. And we all know the war will be a major deciding factor in next elections. Weird situation if you ask me.
The biggest drop has been in Sunni-based insurgent violence. That was always the bulk of the violence against Iraqi and Coalition forces. So...even if Sadr decides to re-engage, the overall violence level would still be much lower than it was before the Sunnis pulled their head out of their collective ass.

Read up on the situation next time.
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GunSlinger OIF II
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FEOS wrote:

Read up on the situation next time.
you are asking WAY too much from this community
GunSlinger OIF II
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Spearhead wrote:

So... if we kill him, people get pissed and blow up everything they see.

And if we don't kill him, he just waits for us to leave before taking over the country.

This is why we shouldn't be there to be honest.  If we have to hold back, and give one man so much power... honestly it's a sign of weakness.
iraq would be better off of we kill him.
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
the iraqi government dropped charges.



I was a part of the operation to get him in 2004, in najaf.   We had him surrounded, but he used some centuries old shiite mosque to hide in and our standing orders were to not enter this mosque.   we were a few hundred meters from the fucker while he was holed up inside, then the iraqi government said" no mas" and we left.
I always thought there should be a way to overrule that, if they're using the mosque for military purposes in a sense, you should be able to remove them from it.
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M.O.A.B wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
the iraqi government dropped charges.



I was a part of the operation to get him in 2004, in najaf.   We had him surrounded, but he used some centuries old shiite mosque to hide in and our standing orders were to not enter this mosque.   we were a few hundred meters from the fucker while he was holed up inside, then the iraqi government said" no mas" and we left.
I always thought there should be a way to overrule that, if they're using the mosque for military purposes in a sense, you should be able to remove them from it.
most cases, there is.  We would end up dropping one or two 500 pounders from the air force.   but in this case, the mosque he was hiding in was very old and very sacred to all shiites.



to tell y ou the truth,  hes a pretty incompetant leader.   I think sometimes, leaving him alive was the better option.  instead of having his militia going a million different directions, you got most of them listening to him.  and hes a moron.
Spearhead
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
the iraqi government dropped charges.



I was a part of the operation to get him in 2004, in najaf.   We had him surrounded, but he used some centuries old shiite mosque to hide in and our standing orders were to not enter this mosque.   we were a few hundred meters from the fucker while he was holed up inside, then the iraqi government said" no mas" and we left.
I think I read that in the paper

Is it just politics that you're not allowed to attack mosques?  Or were their innocent people in there? 

I mean, wow, that is fucked up.  Why not just teargas the place and go in SWAT team style?
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Spearhead wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Then put him on trial he's responsible for a number of US and Iraqi fatalities.
the iraqi government dropped charges.



I was a part of the operation to get him in 2004, in najaf.   We had him surrounded, but he used some centuries old shiite mosque to hide in and our standing orders were to not enter this mosque.   we were a few hundred meters from the fucker while he was holed up inside, then the iraqi government said" no mas" and we left.
I think I read that in the paper

Is it just politics that you're not allowed to attack mosques?  Or were their innocent people in there? 

I mean, wow, that is fucked up.  Why not just teargas the place and go in SWAT team style?
nothing but politics.   all the inhabitants were mahdi militiamen.   we could have gone in there like nothing but we had to cordon the area and just look.


and in certain situtations, we can attack mosques, but just not this one.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-02-23 07:34:14)

Spearhead
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

nothing but politics.   all the inhabitants were mahdi militiamen.   we could have gone in there like nothing but we had to cordon the area and just look.


and in certain situtations, we can attack mosques, but just not this one.
How did he escape if you had him surrounded?  Wouldn't you just mow them down as they came out?

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 07:39:26)

GunSlinger OIF II
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Spearhead wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


I think I read that in the paper

Is it just politics that you're not allowed to attack mosques?  Or were their innocent people in there? 

I mean, wow, that is fucked up.  Why not just teargas the place and go in SWAT team style?
nothing but politics.   all the inhabitants were mahdi militiamen.   we could have gone in there like nothing but we had to cordon the area and just look.


and in certain situtations, we can attack mosques, but just not this one.
How did he escape if you had him surrounded?  Wouldn't you just mow them down as they came out?
he agreed to a ceasefire, the iraqi government dropped its criminal charges against him (responsible for the murder of a political rival) which meant we had no official Iraqi reason to go after him.   We pulled out.  Ayatollah Sistani negotiated a peace.


I know, hard to believe, the Iraqis actually running the show in their own country.  Goes against a lot of what all these anti war folk believe.
GunSlinger OIF II
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whats funny about that though, a couple of months later, mahdi militiamen were on the shit list again.  I personally arrested one particular individual driving an empty gas tank on his way to making a VBIED.   Know why he was detained?  at first when i searched his vehicle, i found nothing but as I remembered all the stash spots that I got away with from the cops growing up, I found a few sadr posters and and some casettes of his speeches hidden in various places.  That was enough to get arrested.
Spearhead
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Naturally if it were up to us we'd just kill him, right?

So, like what would the backlash be?  Shiites going crazy?  Maybe it'd die down after a while. 

I think we need to make an example of people who fuel the killings.  Not now, now that he's got a ceasefire and all.  But didn't not killing him basically say "It's okay if you assassinate people, just as long as you're powerful"? 

It seems like now he's just waiting for us to leave.
M.O.A.B
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I don't really know enough on the subject, but do you think there would be a way of making it look like an internal assassination? i.e a mahdi killing him, if that were the case they may break themselves overall and be easier to handle, in the long run that is.

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