Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida
Article by David Ignatius

"When it comes to foreign policy, experience is a highly overrated asset." So says a former British foreign service officer named Jonathan Clarke, who has created a blog called Swoop dedicated to undermining Washington's fondness for conventional wisdom.

What my friend Clarke means is that the set of issues and strategies that shaped the Cold War generation has passed. He's a product of that generation, having served at the sharp end of the spear for the British government in various Cold War hot spots. But that era is over. The intellectual matrix formed by the Soviet threat, and before that by Hitler's rise in Germany, needs to be reworked. There is a new set of problems and personalities -- and if America keeps trotting out the same cast of characters and policy papers, we will fail to make sense of where the world is moving.

The experience issue will dominate the final weeks of the Democratic primary campaign. Hillary Clinton's only remaining trump card is that she has been in the White House before and will be ready, as she repeats so tirelessly, from Day One. But ready for what? For a recapitulation of the people and policies that guided the country in the past? That's an attractive proposition only if you think that the world of the 1990s -- or '80s, or '70s -- can be re-created.

The experience gap will overshadow even more the general election race against John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. With his every sinew, McCain embodies the idea of a wise, battle-tested man. "I'm not the youngest candidate, but I am the most experienced," he said after winning the Wisconsin primary Tuesday night. It's clear he hopes this pitch will carry him all the way to the White House. He's the tough old fighter pilot; he has fought the Cold War battles; he knows how to protect the nation in a time of danger. That's the McCain strategy in one compound sentence.

The assumption that experience equates with good judgment is a hard one to shake. We tend naturally to defer to the person who has been there before, measured the adversary, learned how the game is played. Yet if ever there were a test of the efficacy of experience, it was the Bush administration's decision to go to war in Iraq and its subsequent management of the postwar occupation. Bush's national security advisers were arguably the most experienced in modern times. But their performance was often very poor. That was partly, I think, because they overlaid the post-Sept. 11 challenges on a Cold War template about the uses of military power.

We are the last major nation to make the transition from Cold War thinking to something new. China and India are rising thanks to new leadership elites that understand how to succeed in global markets; Russia is about to elect a new president whose formative experiences came after the fall of the Soviet Union; Pakistan has just rebuffed its own durable Cold Warrior, Pervez Musharraf; even Fidel Castro, perhaps the iconic survivor of the Cold War, has decided to step down. Only in America could John McCain seriously campaign for leadership as a symbol of the past.

The utility of inexperience was explained to me last week by Dmitry Peskov, the spokesman for President Vladimir Putin. He said that what's attractive for Russians about Dmitry Medvedev, who is certain to be elected as Putin's successor next Sunday, is that he embodies "a generation that was not shaped by the Soviet Cold War way of thinking." Putin himself is a transition figure, a man formed by his experiences as a KGB officer. But after him, explained Peskov, comes a generation of Russians who don't carry the same baggage. They have traveled the world, seen things their parents could never imagine, looked at problems with fresh eyes.

To prepare for the next stage of the U.S. presidential campaign, try this thought experiment: Imagine the television footage of Barack Obama's first trip abroad as president -- the crowds in the streets of Moscow, Cairo, Nairobi, Shanghai, Paris, Islamabad. Now try to imagine the first visit by President John McCain to those same cities. McCain is a great man, and he would be welcomed with respect, deference, perhaps a bit of fear. Obama would generate different and more intense reactions -- surprise and uncertainty, to be sure, but also idealism and hope. Now tell me which image would foster a stronger and safer America in the 21st century.

Obama has liabilities as a candidate, but his inexperience paradoxically may actually bolster one of his core arguments -- that he would give America a fresh start. "

I agree completely with this guy.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 17:31:21)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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This would make the presidency the only job where being inexperienced is considered positive ...
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida

Stingray24 wrote:

This would make the presidency the only job where being inexperienced is considered positive ...
Please tell me which presidents in history had previous experience being president of the United States when they were running for re-election?

Wasn't Garfield the only guy to lose re-election one year and win it 4 years later? 

No job can determine how qualified you are to lead this country.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 17:40:12)

Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7144
Obama is a promiser... I think at this point McCain will win... but if Barack does win... There are going to be a lot of disenchanted people when he can't make good on the motivational speaker speeches he gives... I am glad he's shutting down the evil Hillary/Billary...  HillBilly... lol
Love is the answer
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida
The writer of that article is a Republican FYI.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

This would make the presidency the only job where being inexperienced is considered positive ...
Please tell me which presidents in history had previous experience being president of the United States when they were running for re-election?

Wasn't Garfield the only guy to lose re-election one year and win it 4 years later? 

No job can determine how qualified you are to lead this country.
Grover Cleveland is the president you're thinking of.

But this is a good question.  What qualifications actually justify being president?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida

Turquoise wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

This would make the presidency the only job where being inexperienced is considered positive ...
Please tell me which presidents in history had previous experience being president of the United States when they were running for election?

Wasn't Garfield the only guy to lose re-election one year and win it 4 years later? 

No job can determine how qualified you are to lead this country.
Grover Cleveland is the president you're thinking of.

But this is a good question.  What qualifications actually justify being president?
In recent years, the person who ran the more aggressive campaign won the election.  Spent the most money on the campaign, most effective attack ads, etc.  At least thats the way I see it.

Funny, how when someone finally goes against the norm, people accuse him of being full of empty promises.  As if the alternatives are any better.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 18:19:16)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina
So basically, in practice, the best advertiser is most qualified for presidency.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida

Turquoise wrote:

So basically, in practice, the best advertiser is most qualified for presidency.
bingo

As if you already didn't know that... but thanks for pretending, lol/
unnamednewbie13
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Spearhead wrote:

who has created a blog called Swoop dedicated to undermining Washington's fondness] for conventional wisdom.
https://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/walt_disney/the_incredibles/john_ratzenberger/face1.jpg
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

who has created a blog called Swoop dedicated to undermining Washington's fondness] for conventional wisdom.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo … /face1.jpg
I dont get it
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|7112|Some where huntin in Wisconsin

Spearhead wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

who has created a blog called Swoop dedicated to undermining Washington's fondness] for conventional wisdom.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo … /face1.jpg
I dont get it
theres nothing to get

but tbh i want mccain because
no more illegals no bullshit taxes no bullshit heathcare for everyone that goes back t taxes
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

who has created a blog called Swoop dedicated to undermining Washington's fondness] for conventional wisdom.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo … /face1.jpg
There was a character in the Incredibles called the Underminer.  It was pretty funny, actually...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

Tushers wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I dont get it
theres nothing to get

but tbh i want mccain because
no more illegals no bullshit taxes no bullshit heathcare for everyone that goes back t taxes
Just a side note here, but you do realize that McCain supports an amnesty plan, right?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7118|Tampa Bay Florida

Turquoise wrote:

Tushers wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I dont get it
theres nothing to get

but tbh i want mccain because
no more illegals no bullshit taxes no bullshit heathcare for everyone that goes back t taxes
Just a side note here, but you do realize that McCain supports an amnesty plan, right?
It doesn't matter.

Unlike McCain, Obama actually expresses some level of judgement and sophistication.  I mean, did you SEE McCain over the past 8 years bend over and take it up the ass the way he did?  Honestly... where are all the "flip flop" people now?  McCain is the single most flip floppish candidate that has run for office in recent years, Democrat or Republican. 

Whats ironic is that he had to become so conservative to win the nomination, all the independents and Democrats who might've voted for him earlier will now vote for Obama.

In my eyes, anyone thinking McCain has a good chance of winning is deluding themselves.  But the Republican political machines is very strong, and there are racist Democrats who could feasibly vote McCain instead of a black Democrat....

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-02-23 21:21:26)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Tushers wrote:


theres nothing to get

but tbh i want mccain because
no more illegals no bullshit taxes no bullshit heathcare for everyone that goes back t taxes
Just a side note here, but you do realize that McCain supports an amnesty plan, right?
It doesn't matter.

Unlike McCain, Obama actually expresses some level of judgement and sophistication.  I mean, did you SEE McCain over the past 8 years bend over and take it up the ass the way he did?  Honestly... where are all the "flip flop" people now?  McCain is the single most flip floppish candidate that has run for office in recent years, Democrat or Republican. 

Whats ironic is that he had to become so conservative to win the nomination, all the independents and Democrats who might've voted for him earlier will now vote for Obama.

In my eyes, anyone thinking McCain has a good chance of winning is deluding themselves.  But the Republican political machines is very strong, and there are racist Democrats who could feasibly vote McCain instead of a black Democrat....
Well, the last part is especially significant.  Generally speaking, older voters (primarily senior citizens) are particularly reluctant to vote for a black person.  They grew up in a racist era, and old views die hard.  I think the old vote is significant enough that it will allow McCain to win possibly.

Granted, if young voters actually get out there and vote, Obama might win this.  Of course, Hillary might still get the nomination.

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