BF2S Forums Recent events = make me hopeful

beerface702 wrote:

its the same, history repeat's itself over and over and over and over again. You may think it feel's diffrent, looks diffrent, taste diffrent..smell diffrent. But it isnt, same shit will be going on in 200 years in some way or another, that  is the cold truth..enjoy the lapse of peace while you can

An ally!

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Influence yes, change completely, no. It's a proven fact by pseudoscience and is complete bullshit 99% of the times it is used in the court system. If someone is not bat shit crazy or under the influence of psychoactive drugs, there is a distinct line of thought that they are responsible for.

Your right, it doesn't completely change. If it did completely change than it would become the new norm and therefor become consistent with their line of thought. People act/respond out of character when things effect them emotionally. Your claim that this is 99% BS is is wrong. Anyone reading this with common sense knows this is true. We have all seen otherwise calm people lose their cool over a variety of things.
Example:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

We don't get to see this Kmarion around here very much, I like talking with him...

No, when used in court cases (I assume you're talking about the insanity defense for the most part) it is bullshit. You are still responsible for all your actions, no matter what your emotional state.

You're different only in your style of posting. The majority of the time you set up a very good OP and then lead the discussion along, or expand upon points in threads, and then abstain when it starts getting to be a cutthroat debate for the hell of it, as you said. I hardly think any of your ideas or opinions have changed from what they were previous to this thread, but your method of expressing them is radically different from the norm. They can still be unified though, in whatever rhetorical form.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Yeah it is. Incompetence is the other thing that really gets to me, especially when they're in a position of power over me. That anger, however, stems from an almost completely different reason. I find it hard to believe you aren't angered when someone with power over you routinely makes a fool of themselves and yourself.

You never once mentioned "when they're in a position of power over me". That is a little more understandable. Then it has an impact on you.
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.

We haven't been talking about incompetence until these most recent posts, so no I didn't mention it. This point is an offshoot of me being angered at the false actions of others, not about incompetence, I haven't been trying to argue about incompetence.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If you don't show it, what's the point? I don't want to listen to a fanatic, but if someone isn't going to go into any lengths to prove themselves to me, why should I listen to them. Conversely, you know how hard headed I am, I like to find someone I can really butt heads with. I know it turns off most people, and most people get steamrolled by, how shall I say it, my overbearing personality. It's worth it though to find those worthy opponents who are quick-minded enough, blatant enough, and have strong enough feelings to really grind logic, ideals, and egos with.

The point is I find it more enjoyable to discuss things it that manner. Anyone who thinks we come to DAST to change the world is a damn fool. I'm not here to serve the greater good of Flaming_Maniac.

Not change the world, change the minds of a few people. Why have you even bothered to respond to what, 5 pages on default pagination now, if you aren't either trying to change someone else's mind or have your own changed? You're here to serve the greater good of Kmarion, and if that isn't by attempting to make an army of Kmarion thinkers here, I don't know what is.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

What makes you think I want the urge fixed?

I didn't say you wanted to... but it just might do the trick.

I hear a bullet in the brain works too.

Spearhead wrote:

Flaming, a lot of what these forums provide is a chance to see where other people are coming from.  A lot of us aren't exposed to personal beliefs of people we dont hang out with in real life.  I dont think anyone here wants everyone else to agree with him/her -- there'd be no point in having an opinion then.

Well that's exactly my point.

I certainly don't have anyone else to talk to like this. I would either be shunned or belittled. I love the opportunity of relative anonymity the internet provides.

I don't want everyone to agree with me, but my goal is to have everyone agree with me. I know it will never happen, but that's the idea, to present your opinion so well that there is no choice but to agree.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

No, when used in court cases (I assume you're talking about the insanity defense for the most part) it is bullshit. You are still responsible for all your actions, no matter what your emotional state.

You're different only in your style of posting. The majority of the time you set up a very good OP and then lead the discussion along, or expand upon points in threads, and then abstain when it starts getting to be a cutthroat debate for the hell of it, as you said. I hardly think any of your ideas or opinions have changed from what they were previous to this thread, but your method of expressing them is radically different from the norm. They can still be unified though, in whatever rhetorical form.

BINGO! This isn't about whether it comes from a different physical brain. I hope to hell your aren't implying that's what I am talking about. It's about inconsistent expression. The way we express ourselves around here is in the form of forum posting.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

We haven't been talking about incompetence until these most recent posts, so no I didn't mention it. This point is an offshoot of me being angered at the false actions of others, not about incompetence, I haven't been trying to argue about incompetence.

So if it's not about incompetence and power over you, and if it doesn't effect you personally then I stick to my statement. It's seems silly to me to get pissed when someone expresses their emotions.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Not change the world, change the minds of a few people. Why have you even bothered to respond to what, 5 pages on default pagination now, if you aren't either trying to change someone else's mind or have your own changed? You're here to serve the greater good of Kmarion, and if that isn't by attempting to make an army of Kmarion thinkers here, I don't know what is.

Wow.. you give me too much credit. This discussion is between you and me. I am just entertaining myself. You have admitted you won't be swayed by my opinion. Again, anyone who thinks they are going to change the world in DAST in a damn fool. Especially when members such as yourself are so unwilling to listen. "But if someone isn't going to go into any lengths to prove themselves to me"... please. Try not to be so self centered. Not all of us are here for you.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

No, when used in court cases (I assume you're talking about the insanity defense for the most part) it is bullshit. You are still responsible for all your actions, no matter what your emotional state.

You're different only in your style of posting. The majority of the time you set up a very good OP and then lead the discussion along, or expand upon points in threads, and then abstain when it starts getting to be a cutthroat debate for the hell of it, as you said. I hardly think any of your ideas or opinions have changed from what they were previous to this thread, but your method of expressing them is radically different from the norm. They can still be unified though, in whatever rhetorical form.

BINGO! This isn't about whether it comes from a different physical brain. I hope to hell your aren't implying that's what I am talking about. It's about inconsistent expression. The way we express ourselves around here is in the form of forum posting.

Inconsistent expression can't be responsible for different perceived levels of maturity in ideas. This point is from you calling my posts shallow, and unless I misunderstood, you were calling my ideas, not my posting style shallow. Though I dunno, the winking was pretty immature.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

We haven't been talking about incompetence until these most recent posts, so no I didn't mention it. This point is an offshoot of me being angered at the false actions of others, not about incompetence, I haven't been trying to argue about incompetence.

So if it's not about incompetence and power over you, and if it doesn't effect you personally then I stick to my statement. It's seems silly to me to get pissed when someone expresses their emotions.

Not their emotions, the actions that come from their emotions. When they open their mouth and audaciously declare they connect with someone starving in Africa, that disgusts me.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Not change the world, change the minds of a few people. Why have you even bothered to respond to what, 5 pages on default pagination now, if you aren't either trying to change someone else's mind or have your own changed? You're here to serve the greater good of Kmarion, and if that isn't by attempting to make an army of Kmarion thinkers here, I don't know what is.

Wow.. you give me too much credit. This discussion is between you and me. I am just entertaining myself. You have admitted you won't be swayed by my opinion. Again, anyone who thinks they are going to change the world in DAST in a damn fool. Especially when members such as yourself are so unwilling to listen. "But if someone isn't going to go into any lengths to prove themselves to me"... please. Try not to be so self centered. Not all of us are here for you.

Yes, you are serving yourself here by entertaining yourself. Why is it entertaining though? Isn't it because you like trying to persuade people? I don't know why else you would get any sort of satisfaction from debate, unless you just like showing off your rhetoric. It's not even like you can hear yourself talk in text.

No one is trying to change the world here, just a few minds.

I am willing to listen, but I can't agree with every reasonable line of thought that goes through these forums. I want to listen to people that feel strongly enough to want to convince other people of their opinion, not sit and watch other people and hope their point gets proven for them. It's not the fact that they are trying to prove the point to me, it's that they feel strongly enough about it to bother trying to convince anyone.

See that's the difference. People aren't here for me, I'm here for the people. On some subjects I feel strongly enough to want to find other people and change their minds about it, and be similarly influenced by other people who feel as strong on other subjects.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Inconsistent expression can't be responsible for different perceived levels of maturity in ideas. This point is from you calling my posts shallow, and unless I misunderstood, you were calling my ideas, not my posting style shallow. Though I dunno, the winking was pretty immature.

One of the ways we convey our ideas is through our expressions. I felt, in my opinion, that your idea/expression/comment (whatever you want to call it) was shallow. I still do.

The idea, or the expression of the idea? My point is there is a difference. Ideas are uniform, expressions are dynamic.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Not their emotions, the actions that come from their emotions. When they open their mouth and audaciously declare they connect with someone starving in Africa, that disgusts me.

I have come to learn it is part of human nature. Whether or not it is genuine or not it is going to happen. So rather than live my life judging the validity of other peoples emotions I find it easier to not let it disturb me.

It is not the emotion, it is how they act on the emotion. Emotions themselves cannot be controlled. Responses to the emotions however can definitely be controlled, so these responses tell a lot about a person as an individual. If someone's responses are so poor they make me revise my previous definitions of human callousness and human empathy, I am disturbed. You aren't? Quite the fine example of stoicism aren't you, could I see some of your blood? I think it might be green.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Yes, you are serving yourself here by entertaining yourself. Why is it entertaining though? Isn't it because you like trying to persuade people? I don't know why else you would get any sort of satisfaction from debate, unless you just like showing off your rhetoric. It's not even like you can hear yourself talk in text.

No, it's not that I am trying to persuade. I completely understand that this discussion is going nowhere. Reading your responses is quite amusing to tell you the truth..lol. In between doing my laundry and rearranging my closet I am passing the time.

So you're bothering because...? You can find my arguments amusing without responding, and yet again and again you respond.

Besides, demeaning the importance does nothing, only that you apparently need to find something better to do over the weekend if it bores you so much. (You know even if it wasn't cloudy, it's only dark for approximately 12 hours a day. )

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

See that's the difference. People aren't here for me, I'm here for the people. On some subjects I feel strongly enough to want to find other people and change their minds about it, and be similarly influenced by other people who feel as strong on other subjects.

Oh god.. Your getting much more out of this than I am.

Like you would keep coming back if you didn't find it interesting.

/compares post counts