What would have happened if the Red October never took place?
How do you imagine...
Outcome of WW2?
Cold War?
The man in space?
Cuba?
The World today?
How do you imagine...
Outcome of WW2?
Cold War?
The man in space?
Cuba?
The World today?
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
Well, Russia could still probably stand on it's own if World War II happened.
we wouldnt have the roflcopter
WW2
Germany would have never invaded Russia (then), could concentrate all troops on the west front, The Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg would have fallen the same way, France a bit faster and Britain would have lost also, the allies could have never launched D-Day (well they wouldn't even come up with this now anyway). like whole of Europe: Nazi Germany vs Resistance groups. Hitler would have still lost his mind tho, but maybe now the German Generals would have succeeded in assassinate him and take over. US - Nazi Germany - Japan,
I dunno what kind of role Russia would be in.
Cold War
Never Happened
The Man in Space
would have taken longer, seeing the US wouldn't have the need to win at something with this, being the only one able to do so.
Cuba
Holiday paradise? or some sort of Haiti
The World Today
I dunno at this point, might edit.
Germany would have never invaded Russia (then), could concentrate all troops on the west front, The Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg would have fallen the same way, France a bit faster and Britain would have lost also, the allies could have never launched D-Day (well they wouldn't even come up with this now anyway). like whole of Europe: Nazi Germany vs Resistance groups. Hitler would have still lost his mind tho, but maybe now the German Generals would have succeeded in assassinate him and take over. US - Nazi Germany - Japan,
I dunno what kind of role Russia would be in.
Cold War
Never Happened
The Man in Space
would have taken longer, seeing the US wouldn't have the need to win at something with this, being the only one able to do so.
Cuba
Holiday paradise? or some sort of Haiti
The World Today
I dunno at this point, might edit.
Hitler had parkinsons. It's very likely that his people and generals would get sick of him and have some kind of democratic revolution. In history, if the Bolsheviks lost the civil war, Communism might still exist in some countries. Maybe a few would have communist revolutions. I play HoI2 and a lot of mods involve the Bolsheviks losing the war.
They are a game for the mind.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
oh well there ya go.FallenMorgan wrote:
I play HoI2 and a lot of mods involve the Bolsheviks losing the war.
The Revolution would have manifested in some other way. And if it had occurred in a more industrialized country with a bigger middle class etc it might even have succeeded.
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Russia might have fallen under the Fascist grip as well, in which case the entire Eurasia/African landmass would have been under an alliance of Germany, Italy, Russia and the worthless satellite states of Germany. Hitler attacked the Soviet Union because it was communist, and he might not have been so inclined to do so if they were under the same political ideology.
We have no way of knowing what could have happened. Asking people what they think would have happened in the distant past is stupid because they have no way of really knowing. They are just stupid and pointless. Most history majors understand this and thus don't bother with them.sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
I would be Stalin.
I like pie.
Outcome of WW2
If the tsarist structure had remained in place (which is highly doubtful, considering the social problems in Russia at the time), then they would likely have sided with Britain against Germany, causing the culmination on the eastern front to happen earlier than it did, possibly shortening the war.
Cold War
As the Cold War was a conflict of ideologies (democracy vs communism), the Cold War, if it had happened at all, would have been between the US (and allies) and China. That is, if the Chinese revolution had even occurred, considered the Russian one, which was an inspiration for the Chinese revolution, didn't occur.
The man in space
It still would have happened, but maybe later as there would not have been as much of a "space race" without the Cold War. ICBM development drove a lot of the manned space advances.
Cuba
See comment on China. Without the Russian "success" model, would other communist revolutions have even gotten off the ground, much less succeeded?
The World today
There would be a whole lot more Russians and certainly more with relatives who were alive during the 40s and 50s. Without the massive amounts of civilian and reduced military casualties and absent Uncle Joe's slaughtering of millions of his own citizens...my guess is Russia would be much farther along economically and socially than it is today. We would likely not be as far along technologically as we are today, as most of what we take for granted day-to-day was developed on the impetus of the Cold War and Space Race.
If the tsarist structure had remained in place (which is highly doubtful, considering the social problems in Russia at the time), then they would likely have sided with Britain against Germany, causing the culmination on the eastern front to happen earlier than it did, possibly shortening the war.
Cold War
As the Cold War was a conflict of ideologies (democracy vs communism), the Cold War, if it had happened at all, would have been between the US (and allies) and China. That is, if the Chinese revolution had even occurred, considered the Russian one, which was an inspiration for the Chinese revolution, didn't occur.
The man in space
It still would have happened, but maybe later as there would not have been as much of a "space race" without the Cold War. ICBM development drove a lot of the manned space advances.
Cuba
See comment on China. Without the Russian "success" model, would other communist revolutions have even gotten off the ground, much less succeeded?
The World today
There would be a whole lot more Russians and certainly more with relatives who were alive during the 40s and 50s. Without the massive amounts of civilian and reduced military casualties and absent Uncle Joe's slaughtering of millions of his own citizens...my guess is Russia would be much farther along economically and socially than it is today. We would likely not be as far along technologically as we are today, as most of what we take for granted day-to-day was developed on the impetus of the Cold War and Space Race.
Last edited by FEOS (2008-02-25 02:44:51)
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If you don't want to explore the "what if ... ", don't post!!!
Germany loses WW1 sooner because they still have to fight on 2 fronts.
The war causes fundamental democratic reforms in Tsarist Russia., and a constitutional monarchy emerges.
The fascists don't come to power in Germany because there is no communist threat to fight.
When Germany suffers during the Great Depression and due to Versailles Treaty unfairness, the communists come to power.
Germany attempts to export communism to Europe including Russia. Germany fights Tito in Spain, and supports communists in Italy against fascist Mussolini.
War between Germany and Russia erupts due to attempts to support communism in Russia.
Russia fights poorly, and communist revolution succeeds in Russia.
The now allied Germans and Russians invade France due to their support for Russia, and Italy.
WW2 ends up as a fight between England/France and Germany/Russia (again).
The US comes in eventually on the side of the anti-communists. Germany is partially "liberated", but a truce splits the country.
Cold War and so on same .....
How's that for a theory?
Germany loses WW1 sooner because they still have to fight on 2 fronts.
The war causes fundamental democratic reforms in Tsarist Russia., and a constitutional monarchy emerges.
The fascists don't come to power in Germany because there is no communist threat to fight.
When Germany suffers during the Great Depression and due to Versailles Treaty unfairness, the communists come to power.
Germany attempts to export communism to Europe including Russia. Germany fights Tito in Spain, and supports communists in Italy against fascist Mussolini.
War between Germany and Russia erupts due to attempts to support communism in Russia.
Russia fights poorly, and communist revolution succeeds in Russia.
The now allied Germans and Russians invade France due to their support for Russia, and Italy.
WW2 ends up as a fight between England/France and Germany/Russia (again).
The US comes in eventually on the side of the anti-communists. Germany is partially "liberated", but a truce splits the country.
Cold War and so on same .....
How's that for a theory?
Germany would eventually go to war with the USA. We might lose.
If you say so.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
We have no way of knowing what could have happened. Asking people what they think would have happened in the distant past is stupid because they have no way of really knowing. They are just stupid and pointless. Most history majors understand this and thus don't bother with them.sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
Really? How come?MAGUIRE93 wrote:
we wouldnt have the roflcopter
doesn't really matter if people know the correct one, we will never know indeed, but it's the questions (examples):DoctaStrangelove wrote:
We have no way of knowing what could have happened. Asking people what they think would have happened in the distant past is stupid because they have no way of really knowing. They are just stupid and pointless. Most history majors understand this and thus don't bother with them.sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
what if the dinosaurs never went extinct?
what if USSR survived and not the USA?
what if Neanderthals became dominant? that drive us.
I agree with Serg in this case, it's something for the mind.
people do it all the time to be honest on different levels.
An immense chunk of the entertainment center wouldn't have existed.
Germany and its allies would've probably overrun Russia by the end of WW1 and would've arranged a truce at that point. WW2 would've probably never happened, and the rise of the Nazies would have likely never occurred either.
America would probably be a much weaker nation today and would've stayed in the Great Depression up until the late 40s.
China would probably have never gone Communist and Chiang Kai Shek's Capitalist government would probably be in place even today.
The Cold War would have never happened, and the Middle East would probably be a bit more peaceful, with the exception of Israel/Palestine.
India might still be ruled by Britain.
America would probably be a much weaker nation today and would've stayed in the Great Depression up until the late 40s.
China would probably have never gone Communist and Chiang Kai Shek's Capitalist government would probably be in place even today.
The Cold War would have never happened, and the Middle East would probably be a bit more peaceful, with the exception of Israel/Palestine.
India might still be ruled by Britain.
Actually a more appropriate question would be, what if Karl Marx didn't exist? Which in turn would mean there was no basis for Communism
What would happen to DS&T if sergeriver ever made a poll based on the reality, we actually live in?DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.
boring pointless game...sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.
Don't post then. And fyi I made a lot of polls based on reality, search and you'll find them. I have one new poll in mind: How many Teflon Shadow's posts are worthy: 0, none, who's Teflon Shadow, other.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
What would happen to DS&T if sergeriver ever made a poll based on the reality, we actually live in?DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.boring pointless game...sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.
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There would be no "In Soviet Russia..." Jokessergeriver wrote:
What would have happened if the Red October never took place?
How do you imagine...
Outcome of WW2?
Cold War?
The man in space?
Cuba?
The World today?
15 more years! 15 more years!
You made my point. You make post and threads not based on actual reality. You are free to make your comments just as I am.sergeriver wrote:
Don't post then. And fyi I made a lot of polls based on reality, search and you'll find them. I have one new poll in mind: How many Teflon Shadow's posts are worthy: 0, none, who's Teflon Shadow, other.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
What would happen to DS&T if sergeriver ever made a poll based on the reality, we actually live in?DoctaStrangelove wrote:
Historical Hypothetics are teh suck.boring pointless game...sergeriver wrote:
They are a game for the mind.
another worthless post by (T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
WWII: Germany would have moved in to russia and raped all of the Czars women
Cold war: wouldn't have happened
Man in Space: still would have happened, but US would have been first
Cuba: Would be a Haitian country, Bay of Pigs wouldn't have happened, Vietnam wouldn't have happened, "Cuban" cigars are enjoyed by all
Today: Russian people used their vast natural resources to become the super power of the world, based on capitalism