IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6919|Northern California
And across the country, corporate environments are doing their good deed to honor blacks in their neat little PC way.  My office just got done doing a heckuva job with our "diversity" lunch.  The room was decorated nicely with green, black, and gold table cloths and balloons.  Soul food was catered from an excellent restaurant from Oakland.  Our diversity liaison adorned with traditional African tribal garb, and even some music and games ensued!  We watched a short video on Marshal Thurgood and since we're a law firm, Thurgood's story was well received.  The food was excellent..never had soul food...and if I ate it regularly, I'd probably die within a month!

Anyway, now that Black History month is just about over, how bout we make March "White History Month?"  As hard as I try not to be racially bigoted, it's very hard to understand how having BHM is productive in ANY way whatsoever.  For some strange reason, I'm seeing it as a way to "give mad props to the underprivileged sufferers of the nation."  We should have a celebratory month given to them to remember their history?  How racist is that?  Naturally, in a well mannered PC environment, the argument would be "Because they've overcome sooo much, and now look at 'them.'" 

So because my people havn't suffered at the hands of other races (which I'm sure they have) but have suffered plenty from themselves, we can't celebrate our history?  I'm pretty sure we invented just about everything, put men on the moon, discovered penicillin, invented the car, electricity, airplanes, guns, bombs, message boards, etc, etc...

Is it because I'm NOT a minority that I'm ignored?  Because I know if I had a white history month celebration, I'd quickly have turmoil and outrage beyond belief! lol

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Discuss the reasoning for having black history month and elaborate on the reason it's racist to do so.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England
Yes. BHM is silly. Where are the months for the other "Races"
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Yes. BHM is silly. Where are the months for the other "Races"
about 11 of them.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6919|Northern California

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Yes. BHM is silly. Where are the months for the other "Races"
about 11 of them.
11?

I've seen a hispanic month in September I think..but no others.

oh..nm, I get it.  The rest of us non-sufferers get the other 11 months.  derrrr...
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6839|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Yes. BHM is silly. Where are the months for the other "Races"
about 11 of them.
11?

I've seen a hispanic month in September I think..but no others.

oh..nm, I get it.  The rest of us non-sufferers get the other 11 months.  derrrr...
There are four.

Cultural History/Heritage Months

    * Black History Month - Celebrated in February
    * Asian Pacific American Heritage Month - Celebrated in May
    * National Hispanic Heritage Month - Celebrated from September 15 to October 15
    * National American Indian Heritage Month - Celebrated in November
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7213|Anaheim, CA

It's all BS.  We could never have a WHM because that's racist.  Morons.

Then again, what is there to celebrate?  How we moved across the world spreading diseases and enslaving people?

Yay I'm proud to be white! /sarcasm
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7060|949

Cry moar. 

Dads have Father's Day.  Moms have Mother's Day.  There is even Grandparent's Day.  What do kids have?  The other 362 days.

It's not like black people get to go to the front of the line or get served first (as opposed to being served last or not at all for a good 150 years).

Go bitch about something worthwhile.  Like gun control (zing!).

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-26 15:49:49)

Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

IRONCHEF wrote:

And across the country, corporate environments are doing their good deed to honor blacks in their neat little PC way.  My office just got done doing a heckuva job with our "diversity" lunch.  The room was decorated nicely with green, black, and gold table cloths and balloons.  Soul food was catered from an excellent restaurant from Oakland.  Our diversity liaison adorned with traditional African tribal garb, and even some music and games ensued!  We watched a short video on Marshal Thurgood and since we're a law firm, Thurgood's story was well received.  The food was excellent..never had soul food...and if I ate it regularly, I'd probably die within a month!

Anyway, now that Black History month is just about over, how bout we make March "White History Month?"  As hard as I try not to be racially bigoted, it's very hard to understand how having BHM is productive in ANY way whatsoever.  For some strange reason, I'm seeing it as a way to "give mad props to the underprivileged sufferers of the nation."  We should have a celebratory month given to them to remember their history?  How racist is that?  Naturally, in a well mannered PC environment, the argument would be "Because they've overcome sooo much, and now look at 'them.'" 

So because my people havn't suffered at the hands of other races (which I'm sure they have) but have suffered plenty from themselves, we can't celebrate our history?  I'm pretty sure we invented just about everything, put men on the moon, discovered penicillin, invented the car, electricity, airplanes, guns, bombs, message boards, etc, etc...

Is it because I'm NOT a minority that I'm ignored?  Because I know if I had a white history month celebration, I'd quickly have turmoil and outrage beyond belief! lol

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Discuss the reasoning for having black history month and elaborate on the reason it's racist to do so.
BHM is ok, but a WHM is racist.

United Negro College Fund is ok, However a United White College Fund would be racist even if they co-existed.

If a white man ties a noose, he is racist. If a black man ties a noose, he is simply tieing a noose.

If a black man calls a white man a cracker, or any of the racist names they've tried to create. It is ok, but if a white man even mentions the word nigger he is tormented to the full extent. (For example, theres a chance a mod will remove the word nigger because its somehow racist. Yet they will leave 'cracker')

Whos really racist in America? Whos really getting 'all the benefits'? Whos really got the advantage? With their 'Race Card' souped up daily, how long will it be before blacks get everything because they are black?
15 more years! 15 more years!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England
Until we get rid of these silly things that simply create more division, equality will never be achieved. Everyone may be equal on paper, and that's usually good enough for most, but there's still alot of "real world" prejudice that needs to go away.
mudder
Member
+8|6954
Shortest month of the year.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7060|949

Mitch wrote:

BHM is ok, but a WHM is racist.

United Negro College Fund is ok, However a United White College Fund would be racist even if they co-existed.

If a white man ties a noose, he is racist. If a black man ties a noose, he is simply tieing a noose.

If a black man calls a white man a cracker, or any of the racist names they've tried to create. It is ok, but if a white man even mentions the word nigger he is tormented to the full extent. (For example, theres a chance a mod will remove the word nigger because its somehow racist. Yet they will leave 'cracker')

Whos really racist in America? Whos really getting 'all the benefits'? Whos really got the advantage? With their 'Race Card' souped up daily, how long will it be before blacks get everything because they are black?
Yeah, I totally didn't apply for college grants that I was eligible for only because I was Italian American, that non-Italian Americans could not apply for.

Last time I checked, tying a noose isn't against the law or racist.  Tying a noose to incite hatred from a specific group is, sorry chump.

Cracker hasn't been used for the last 200 years as a word of degradation.  Guess what word has?

Who's really ignorant in America?  Who really has no idea what he is talking about?    Who is racist in America?  Probably you, that's who.

Like I said, go find something worthwhile to complain about.  Or keep crying into your pillow about this stuff.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-26 16:00:40)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6919|Northern California

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Until we get rid of these silly things that simply create more division, equality will never be achieved. Everyone may be equal on paper, and that's usually good enough for most, but there's still alot of "real world" prejudice that needs to go away.
+1
Thank you.  My thoughts exactly.  I teach my children that referring to people by race is being racist..no matter the context.  When one race celebrates itself, it is attempting to move beyond equality.  I am neither proud or ashamed of being the race I am, in fact, I try to ommit race on any application or documentation asking that rude and archaic question ("What race are you?"). 

NAACP
UNICEF
BHM
Nation of Islam
Anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton does
The WB
BET
JET, etc, etc...

=

Racists.  Some are as violent in their message as the deplorable white counterparts.  So what's the difference???  "...because they're a minority...the little guy...the oppressed and abused..."


KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Like I said, go find something worthwhile to complain about.  Or keep crying into your pillow about this stuff.
how bout STFU if you can't contribute or it bothers you to, don't.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-02-26 16:03:18)

Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7074
Any month day or year devoted to a specific race is racist. Culture on the other hand...
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Mitch wrote:

BHM is ok, but a WHM is racist.

United Negro College Fund is ok, However a United White College Fund would be racist even if they co-existed.

If a white man ties a noose, he is racist. If a black man ties a noose, he is simply tieing a noose.

If a black man calls a white man a cracker, or any of the racist names they've tried to create. It is ok, but if a white man even mentions the word nigger he is tormented to the full extent. (For example, theres a chance a mod will remove the word nigger because its somehow racist. Yet they will leave 'cracker')

Whos really racist in America? Whos really getting 'all the benefits'? Whos really got the advantage? With their 'Race Card' souped up daily, how long will it be before blacks get everything because they are black?
Yeah, I totally didn't apply for college grants that I was eligible for only because I was Italian American, that non-Italian Americans could not apply for.

Last time I checked, tying a noose isn't against the law or racist.  Tying a noose to incite hatred from a specific group is, sorry chump.

Cracker hasn't been used for the last 200 years as a word of degradation.  Guess what word has?

Who's really ignorant in America?  Who really has no idea what he is talking about?    Who is racist in America?  Probably you, that's who.
http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/i … amp;coll=1

The recruit in question, who is white, tied the knot improperly and then said, " 'Look, I tied a noose,' " Syracuse fire Chief John Cowin recounted Saturday.

Full Story wrote:

A Syracuse Fire Department recruit sparked an investigation into whether the noose he tied in between training sessions had intentional racial overtones. As a result of the investigation, the department is changing its sensitivity training.

The department recruits were practicing how to tie required knots Feb. 13, when the incident occurred.

The recruit in question, who is white, tied the knot improperly and then said, " 'Look, I tied a noose,' " Syracuse fire Chief John Cowin recounted Saturday.

The recruit showed the noose to five other recruits, one of whom was an African-American woman. The woman was offended, said Cowin, who did not identify the recruits involved in the case.

The noose, a disturbing reminder of the days when lynching of blacks was common, has been used to intimidate African-Americans.

Cowin said his staff investigated the matter and determined that the recruit didn't know the noose was offensive to African-Americans.

The recruit, who was disciplined, apologized to the African-American woman and she accepted his apology, Cowin said. The woman didn't file a complaint or ask the department to take further action, he said.

Cowin declined to say what disciplinary action was taken against the recruit.

"All the people didn't feel this white firefighter was making a racial comment; they felt it was more of an ignorant situation than the guy trying to deliberately insult someone," the chief said.

"It's hard for me to believe that in this day and age people wouldn't know (the significance of the noose)," Cowin said.
A. He didn't even fucking know it was offensive.
B. He accidently did it.
C. He showed it to everyone not just the black woman.
D. Nooses have been used to hang ALL RACES! since when is a noose race related???!
E. Not shown in the story, but in my local news paper, they are trying to get him expelled from his training for that. All over an accident.

It's so much fucking bullshit i cant take it. Shit like this only fuels race division.
15 more years! 15 more years!
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7189

I see no problem with it.  After all we have Presidents day, and the early Presidents were slave owners.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-02-26 16:08:37)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7060|949

Mitch wrote:

http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?/base/news-13/1203846965249690.xml&coll=1

The recruit in question, who is white, tied the knot improperly and then said, " 'Look, I tied a noose,' " Syracuse fire Chief John Cowin recounted Saturday.

Full Story wrote:

A Syracuse Fire Department recruit sparked an investigation into whether the noose he tied in between training sessions had intentional racial overtones. As a result of the investigation, the department is changing its sensitivity training.
It's so much fucking bullshit i cant take it. Shit like this only fuels race division.
Yeah, tell the chick to cry moar too.  Tying a noose doesn't equal racism.  I thought I made that point clear.  Great story though, thanks for sharing.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-26 16:08:56)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6919|Northern California

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Tying a noose doesn't equal racism.  I thought I made that point clear.
You made the point, but it's not clear or even relevent to the discussion.  If you can't see how the context used in his quote of "tying a noose" and how it's racist, then you're just arguing to argue.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7060|949

IRONCHEF wrote:

NAACP
UNICEF
BHM
Nation of Islam
Anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton does
The WB
BET
JET, etc, etc...

=

Racists.  Some are as violent in their message as the deplorable white counterparts.  So what's the difference???  "...because they're a minority...the little guy...the oppressed and abused..."


KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Like I said, go find something worthwhile to complain about.  Or keep crying into your pillow about this stuff.
how bout STFU if you can't contribute or it bothers you to, don't.
Haha.  What do you want me to contribute?  You are whining over something so trivial as the naming of a month?  How does it negatively impact your life?  You even got a lunch out of it.

PS - UNICEF is the United Nations Children Fund.  Nothing inherently racist about it, or for that matter most of what you listed.

Jesse Jackson negotiating the release of American hostages isn't racist either.  Can't really say the same about other stuff he and Sharpton do, though, I'll give you that.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-26 16:19:37)

IRONCHEF
Member
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If you were in an adult conversation with a stranger, face to face, and you said something like you did, do you think it would be wise?  Because that's the general notion behind the DS&T forum and you're well aware of that.  If someone is whining about a topic, why are you commenting?  To start a flame war? 

Oh, I meant the united negro college fund, not unicef.  Thanks.

I'm whining over the naming of a month?  yeah, I'm really pissed because of the name of the month...  Seriously,  you aren't here to contribute to a good topic of discussion, are you?
HudsonFalcon
Member
+20|6359|New York
I have no problem with BHM, I think every race and culture should celebrate their heritage and accomplishments all year long and not just one month out of the year. 

However, when BHM changes from a celebration of black achievement into an excuse to blame the "white man" for their pitfalls I take offense.  Yes slavery was an awful way of coming to America but I had no part of it nor did anyone living today.  600,000 people died in order to end their over 400 years of bondage and in the 150+ years since The Civil War there has been much progress but alot of  blame persists today.

I cannot tolerate the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of this world preaching to me about racism towards the black people when they kill eachother in our inner cities wholesale with guns and drugs, and then glorify it in their songs.

After two centuries of freedom the time is long overdue to get their act together.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6389|Washington DC
I wish South Park would come true already and we were all the same color. Then all this race shit wouldn't be an issue anymore.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Honestly the existence of BHM means very little to me in my personal life. Maybe the unfairness of it should bother me in principle? But no, not really. It doesn't impact me.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6392|London, England

HudsonFalcon wrote:

After two centuries of freedom the time is long overdue to get their act together.
You know the civil rights movement happened very recently right? Blacks might have been free for centuries but they were far from equal to any white person.
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HudsonFalcon
Member
+20|6359|New York

Mutantsteak wrote:

HudsonFalcon wrote:

After two centuries of freedom the time is long overdue to get their act together.
You know the civil rights movement happened very recently right? Blacks might have been free for centuries but they were far from equal to any white person.
The Civil Rights Movement happend almsot 50 years ago, ample time to progress further than they have.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7060|949

HudsonFalcon wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

HudsonFalcon wrote:

After two centuries of freedom the time is long overdue to get their act together.
You know the civil rights movement happened very recently right? Blacks might have been free for centuries but they were far from equal to any white person.
The Civil Rights Movement happend almsot 50 years ago, ample time to progress further than they have.
I would postulate the fact that a black candidate is a serious contender for the Presidency as a fair amount of progress, what about you?

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