BF2S Forums Apparently Palestinian Babies Are Now Terrorists

dimascurtu wrote:

"anyway....your point was a joke to try to indirectly point a finger at the US for killing children. Do you realize that we also give money to the Palestinian leadership so I guess the US is to blame for killing Israeli children too."

all im saying is that its a very complicated story. and yes. youre right in your arguments. and i agree with them. although it seems like the US is giving money to everyone, worrying about everything in the world, but, unfortunatly, they cant seem to fix the problems on their on soil.. but thats a new discussion altogether.

Last edited by DeathBecomesYu (2008-02-28 17:02:47)

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, Israel/USA does NOT care if children are targeted or accidentally killed.  Palestinians mean less than nothing to our leaders, sadly.

usmarine wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, Israel/USA does NOT care if children are targeted or accidentally killed.  Palestinians mean less than nothing to our leaders, sadly.

You need to go fight in a warzone ASAP.

/video game forum

ghettoperson wrote:

usmarine wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, Israel/USA does NOT care if children are targeted or accidentally killed.  Palestinians mean less than nothing to our leaders, sadly.

You need to go fight in a warzone ASAP.

/video game forum

You need to go lead a country ASAP. He didn't say anything about whether the troops cared or not.

SgtHeihn wrote:

usmarine wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, Israel/USA does NOT care if children are targeted or accidentally killed.  Palestinians mean less than nothing to our leaders, sadly.

You need to go fight in a warzone ASAP.

/video game forum

Every time we had to fire on a vehicle in Iraq, there was a full investigation into it. Everything we did, we had to take into account the civilian populace. We didn't just go around whacking people for the fun of it.

Come on Chef, please don't go their.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

Children die all the time in war, it's called collateral damage, it happens.  Napalm killed a whole bunch of innocent people in WWII, 'Nam, etc.

Most people understand this but according to Braddock only Israel does it.

Last edited by steelie34 (2008-02-28 18:37:37)

PureFodder wrote:

Deaths from Israeli/Palesinian coflict from OCHoPT. Figures in brackets are under 18s

Year     Palestinian deaths   Israeli deaths   

2005     216 (52)                     48 (6) 
2006     678 (127)                   25 (2) 
2007     396 (43)                     13 (0)

Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening. US media coverage has been endlessly denounced across the entire world as being unbelievably biased towards Israel. Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media. Remember that the Palestinians are living in what has been described by Israelis as the worlds largest and most overcrowded prison. They are denied basic human rights and have put up with it for decades without significant violence. Having been utterly shat upon for over 40 years with any hope of a realistic solutions being endlessly blocked by the world superpower they are obviously giving up any hope and resorting to fighting back. If you were living under a 40 year brutal military occupation what would you do? Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.

Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media.

PureFodder wrote:

Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening.

PureFodder wrote:

Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.

PureFodder wrote:

Deaths from Israeli/Palesinian coflict from OCHoPT. Figures in brackets are under 18s

Year     Palestinian deaths   Israeli deaths   

2005     216 (52)                     48 (6) 
2006     678 (127)                   25 (2) 
2007     396 (43)                     13 (0)

Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening. US media coverage has been endlessly denounced across the entire world as being unbelievably biased towards Israel. Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media. Remember that the Palestinians are living in what has been described by Israelis as the worlds largest and most overcrowded prison. They are denied basic human rights and have put up with it for decades without significant violence. Having been utterly shat upon for over 40 years with any hope of a realistic solutions being endlessly blocked by the world superpower they are obviously giving up any hope and resorting to fighting back. If you were living under a 40 year brutal military occupation what would you do? Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.

san4 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Deaths from Israeli/Palesinian coflict from OCHoPT. Figures in brackets are under 18s

Year     Palestinian deaths   Israeli deaths   

2005     216 (52)                     48 (6) 
2006     678 (127)                   25 (2) 
2007     396 (43)                     13 (0)

Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening. US media coverage has been endlessly denounced across the entire world as being unbelievably biased towards Israel. Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media. Remember that the Palestinians are living in what has been described by Israelis as the worlds largest and most overcrowded prison. They are denied basic human rights and have put up with it for decades without significant violence. Having been utterly shat upon for over 40 years with any hope of a realistic solutions being endlessly blocked by the world superpower they are obviously giving up any hope and resorting to fighting back. If you were living under a 40 year brutal military occupation what would you do? Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.

If only the Israelis would accept a two-state solution.

lowing wrote:

It is funny how no one will acknowledge the significant difference between the unfortunate and inevitable deaths of civilians during war, and the deliberate targeting of them and use of them as shields.

Of course by doing so, would leave the Palestinians in a pretty piss poor and indefensible light, so we simple will not talk about or acknowledge this detail will we?

IRONCHEF wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

UGHHH.....Here is exactly what you posted:

"I didn't say they purposefully target them, BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT IT'S BEEN DONE!"

YOU READ...you say exactly that so how am I supposed to think you mean something else. You believe that children have been targeted!

Again, if you read my following comments, I made it clear that publicly, Israel/USA does not target children.  That is a whole lot of difference between what goes on on the ground.  If you're in a humvee rolling through hostile neighborhoods in Iraq, and you have a standing order to shoot people standing in front of your vehicle, or at vehicles pulling in front of or blocking you, or even approaching you from behind, does it take a genius to realize that said soldier probably won't go get some binoculars out and verify the occupants of the vehicles before unleashing some 50 cal on them?

I do frequent a liberal blog (a couple actually) and since March 2003 I've seen the pictures, seen the clips, seen the news that didn't get wide acclaim.  it's not a secret that children have been targeted directly or indirectly, on purpose or accidentally.  I would bet from some military members of this board that in the real hot areas they've been given standing orders to shoot "anything" in their way.  And yes, because enemies use children, animals, women, etc for bombs, this makes such orders possible.

And please don't make me whip out the Ava videos...

So yes, I have no doubt that children have been targeted by Israelis and Americans.  Doesn't mean it's official, public policy, but it's been done..either ordered or individual decision by someone over the edge or passed feeling.  I think some here would say "war is hell" for a reason.