Ummmmmmm, the poor do not have enough money to cover illegal drug purchases, so why would a drug addict think they would get money from people that do not have it? Unless of course the poor people you are talking about, are into drugs themselves.................see how we come full circle??Turquoise wrote:
I'm not worried because I live in a decent neighborhood. The people I'm worried about are the poor who live near the crackheads.lowing wrote:
Ok, I am not going to bother to look up stats so you win........I will speak for myself and say, I am not worried in the slightest that a crackhead is gunna break into my house at any minute and murder me and my family for drug money. If you are, I am sorry for you.
The point is, drug addicts are not worth saving, they were not addicts before their drug use and therefore made a conscious decision to do something they knew was wrong, addictive and dangerous. If they did not care, I certainly will not.
If they come to my house looking for drug money, they will be shot. See how simple it all can be?
See, I wouldn't have a problem with just letting all addicts off themselves if it was that easy.
The only part of the War on Drugs that I actually support is the part where addicts are forced into rehab, so that they can become useful people again.
The costs we incur from crime by addicts far outweighs what is spent on rehabs. My suggestion is we spend more on rehabs to reduce crime and addiction overall.
Poll
Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?
| Yes, they are breaking the law | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| Only after being to rehab and being caught again | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| No, they are sick and jail would make things even worse | 33% | 33% - 45 | ||||
| Other | 11% | 11% - 16 | ||||
| Total: 135 | ||||||
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it? I also smoke marijuana and sniff cocaine from time to time. Not an addict though.
EDIT: This is responding to Lowing.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
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Its not illegal..Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it?
This is the debate title: Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?usmarine wrote:
Its not illegal..Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it? I also smoke marijuana and sniff cocaine from time to time. Not an addict though.
What is amazing to me here is................THIS GUY is proud of it. But I am sure you do not have a problem and can quite whenever you want.
I am positive you are a responsible cocaine user
nevermind. think about what he is asking..Sup wrote:
This is the debate title: Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?usmarine wrote:
Its not illegal..Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it?
I actually knew a guy that sniffed coke occasionally. I suppose it's possible to be a "social" coke user, but I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone do it.lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it? I also smoke marijuana and sniff cocaine from time to time. Not an addict though.
What is amazing to me here is................THIS GUY is proud of it. But I am sure you do not have a problem and can quite whenever you want.
I am positive you are a responsible cocaine user
Just as a side note, nicotine has been rated as being just as addictive as heroin. The difference is that nicotine has to be done in huge amounts to kill you.
You are going to the extremes to try and prove a point. I ain't bitting. Sticking to the topic, I do not support dragging drug addicts with us in society.Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: This is responding to Lowing.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
What makes you think I'm proud of it? Cause I was honest and told publicly what drugs I'm using? I tried quiting smoking couple times now, no success. And i take cocaine once every 3 months usually when I'm partying. It has not been addictive to me tho i admit, I enjoy it.lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it? I also smoke marijuana and sniff cocaine from time to time. Not an addict though.
What is amazing to me here is................THIS GUY is proud of it. But I am sure you do not have a problem and can quite whenever you want.
I am positive you are a responsible cocaine user
Well, people addicted to the harder drugs go to extremes when they need a fix and they aren't in rehab.lowing wrote:
You are going to the extremes to try and prove a point. I ain't bitting. Sticking to the topic, I do not support dragging drug addicts with us in society.Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: This is responding to Lowing.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
I would think both of us have an interest in minimizing the crime that addicts commit, right? And if putting them in rehab not only saves money in the long run but also can redeem these people to contribute to society, then why the hell are you against it?
You're starting to get stubborn on this, lowing. Give me a logical rebuttal of what I just posted.
Lets see, he is a recreational drug user. Don't they all start out like that?? He is still coherent enough to know what he is doing is wrong, dangerous and addictive, yet he CHOOSES to continue. WHEN he turns into an addict and looses his family, job, money etc.... You want ME to pick him up and carry him?? I don't think so pal.Turquoise wrote:
I actually knew a guy that sniffed coke occasionally. I suppose it's possible to be a "social" coke user, but I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone do it.lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.Sup wrote:
I'm a cigarette addict. Cigarettes=form of drug=should I go to jail for it? I also smoke marijuana and sniff cocaine from time to time. Not an addict though.
What is amazing to me here is................THIS GUY is proud of it. But I am sure you do not have a problem and can quite whenever you want.
I am positive you are a responsible cocaine user
Just as a side note, nicotine has been rated as being just as addictive as heroin. The difference is that nicotine has to be done in huge amounts to kill you.
What about children of addicts or children literally born with an addiction (i.e. - crack babies)? What's your stance on helping them?lowing wrote:
Lets see, he is a recreational drug user. Don't they all start out like that?? He is still coherent enough to know what he is doing is wrong, dangerous and addictive, yet he CHOOSES to continue. WHEN he turns into an addict and looses his family, job, money etc.... You want ME to pick him up and carry him?? I don't think so pal.
Turquoise, people get out of rehab and go straight to their dealer for their next fix. I am interested in minimizing the crimes that addicts commit by letting the addicts kill themselves off with out a second thought on my part.Turquoise wrote:
Well, people addicted to the harder drugs go to extremes when they need a fix and they aren't in rehab.lowing wrote:
You are going to the extremes to try and prove a point. I ain't bitting. Sticking to the topic, I do not support dragging drug addicts with us in society.Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: This is responding to Lowing.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
I would think both of us have an interest in minimizing the crime that addicts commit, right? And if putting them in rehab not only saves money in the long run but also can redeem these people to contribute to society, then why the hell are you against it?
You're starting to get stubborn on this, lowing. Give me a logical rebuttal of what I just posted.
As stated in many past posts, children can not help themselves and therefore should be taken care of to the best of our abilities. Funding for this is exactly where all the money should go instead of wasting it on self destructive jerry springer show guests.Turquoise wrote:
What about children of addicts or children literally born with an addiction (i.e. - crack babies)? What's your stance on helping them?lowing wrote:
Lets see, he is a recreational drug user. Don't they all start out like that?? He is still coherent enough to know what he is doing is wrong, dangerous and addictive, yet he CHOOSES to continue. WHEN he turns into an addict and looses his family, job, money etc.... You want ME to pick him up and carry him?? I don't think so pal.
I think that "You do the crime, you do the time" is probably the overall-best way to go about law-enforcement and setting a good public example.
However, in sensitive cases there has got to be exceptions. Even though prison and penalisation acts as a deterrent to the common majority- there are always some people that will go against this 'fear' of the consequences. Let's face it, even if they are breaking several laws and pieces of legislation, drug addicts need help and rehabilitation- not time in the corner with the naughty-boy hat on. Prison is a great deterrent, but it is also the main breeding ground of further criminal activity. It's a slippery downwards slope. You meet other fellow criminals, you become engaged in further criminal activity, and you become utterly institutionalised and integrated into a culture of law-breaking and crime. Drug criminals: traffickers, dealers, pushers, growers, distributors etc. all strictly deserve harsh punishments. The unfortunate addicts who through their actions end up in a hapless situation however must be treated differently and encouraged reformation and rehabilitation over straight punishment and retribution.
However, in sensitive cases there has got to be exceptions. Even though prison and penalisation acts as a deterrent to the common majority- there are always some people that will go against this 'fear' of the consequences. Let's face it, even if they are breaking several laws and pieces of legislation, drug addicts need help and rehabilitation- not time in the corner with the naughty-boy hat on. Prison is a great deterrent, but it is also the main breeding ground of further criminal activity. It's a slippery downwards slope. You meet other fellow criminals, you become engaged in further criminal activity, and you become utterly institutionalised and integrated into a culture of law-breaking and crime. Drug criminals: traffickers, dealers, pushers, growers, distributors etc. all strictly deserve harsh punishments. The unfortunate addicts who through their actions end up in a hapless situation however must be treated differently and encouraged reformation and rehabilitation over straight punishment and retribution.
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Drugs are good for you, So STFU. You are all stupid to drugs, due to you "listening to the government, media, and bullshitters" Instead of listening to Researchers, Medical Personnel, or anyone with a brain.
lulz....lawlz....rofl...dankassasin42o wrote:
Drugs are good for you, So STFU. You are all stupid to drugs, due to you "listening to the government, media, and bullshitters" Instead of listening to Researchers, Medical Personnel, or anyone with a brain.
Your emphasis on this seems to be your callousness. I like how you ended that with "without a second thought on my part."lowing wrote:
Turquoise, people get out of rehab and go straight to their dealer for their next fix. I am interested in minimizing the crimes that addicts commit by letting the addicts kill themselves off with out a second thought on my part.
You're simplifying this to a far greater degree than reality actually dictates.
Whatever the case, I'll humor this thought for just a moment... Given your stance on this, it would actually be more practical to just intentionally give a fatal dosage to every addict. Would you support that? lol
In my opinion, no, drug addicts shouldn't go to jail for being drug addicts. Drug addicts should go through intensive rehabilitation. It may take more than one time through - so what? I don't care about paying for it. In my opinion, paying for people to get off drugs is beneficial for society as a whole.
People who are criminals as well as drug addicts should go through jail-sponsered rehabilitation programs.
I have been to jail and have been a drug addict too.
People who are criminals as well as drug addicts should go through jail-sponsered rehabilitation programs.
I have been to jail and have been a drug addict too.
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I can't, from what I am reading long term ( life time ) drug rehab seems to have a pretty good success rate, while shorter term rehab does not.Turquoise wrote:
Well, people addicted to the harder drugs go to extremes when they need a fix and they aren't in rehab.lowing wrote:
You are going to the extremes to try and prove a point. I ain't bitting. Sticking to the topic, I do not support dragging drug addicts with us in society.Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: This is responding to Lowing.
Dude... when you're high on crack, you're not thinking logically.
People enter a drug induced rage for a fix, they demand money, and they often kill. A serious addiction will reduce someone to an animal.
I would think both of us have an interest in minimizing the crime that addicts commit, right? And if putting them in rehab not only saves money in the long run but also can redeem these people to contribute to society, then why the hell are you against it?
You're starting to get stubborn on this, lowing. Give me a logical rebuttal of what I just posted.
I am basing my opinion on a complete lack of sympathy for the colossally stupid and irresponsible..
that explains a lot..Sup wrote:
sniff cocaine from time to time.
although by the time it gets to you, its mostly ajax.
Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-02-29 18:13:19)
I suppose I don't have much sympathy for them either, but.... I do have sympathy for the other people affected by them. Rehab is the most logical way to protect those who live near addicts.lowing wrote:
I am basing my opinion on a complete lack of sympathy for the colossally stupid and irresponsible..
Your honor, the prosecution restsdankassasin42o wrote:
Drugs are good for you, So STFU. You are all stupid to drugs, due to you "listening to the government, media, and bullshitters" Instead of listening to Researchers, Medical Personnel, or anyone with a brain.
Nope, but if they TOOK a fatal dose by their own free will, I couldn't care lessTurquoise wrote:
Your emphasis on this seems to be your callousness. I like how you ended that with "without a second thought on my part."lowing wrote:
Turquoise, people get out of rehab and go straight to their dealer for their next fix. I am interested in minimizing the crimes that addicts commit by letting the addicts kill themselves off with out a second thought on my part.
You're simplifying this to a far greater degree than reality actually dictates.
Whatever the case, I'll humor this thought for just a moment... Given your stance on this, it would actually be more practical to just intentionally give a fatal dosage to every addict. Would you support that? lol