okFallenMorgan wrote:
I'm a solitary person really, I feel no joy (except in one or two cases) of living together with some random female, having to deal with sagging breasts and stretch marks after the person gets knocked up. I prefer girls as friends to a mild extent.
Poll
Nurture or Nature
| Nurture | 46% | 46% - 13 | ||||
| Nature | 53% | 53% - 15 | ||||
| Total: 28 | ||||||
K, just clearing that upSenorToenails wrote:
I didn't speak in absolutes. There are always people who break the mold.Spearhead wrote:
Just because you thought you "knew it all" during high school, and because most kids my age do, doesn't mean all of them do. Granted, I think people go through that stage at different times in their lives. Some before high school, some after....
and fallen dude, no offense meant by this question, but do you like women? As in like like? Not all boobs are "sagging"... I dont think there'd be many people around if all females had "sagging" breasts....
ok this is getting weird now, im out
he's got more issues than the NY times.
I like women. I know not all women 'sag' but most women who do 'sag' had a kid. I also don't like some other things that would basically require me to know what a female looks like naked before-hand.Spearhead wrote:
K, just clearing that upSenorToenails wrote:
I didn't speak in absolutes. There are always people who break the mold.Spearhead wrote:
Just because you thought you "knew it all" during high school, and because most kids my age do, doesn't mean all of them do. Granted, I think people go through that stage at different times in their lives. Some before high school, some after....
and fallen dude, no offense meant by this question, but do you like women? As in like like? Not all boobs are "sagging"... I dont think there'd be many people around if all females had "sagging" breasts....
ok this is getting weird now, im out
lol.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
he's got more issues than the NY times.
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1. Thats because they're oldFallenMorgan wrote:
I like women. I know not all women 'sag' but most women who do 'sag' had a kid. I also don't like some other things that would basically require me to know what a female looks like naked before-hand.
2. Thats why there's alcohol
Ummm fallen...
Marraige is a choice. The woman changing her last name is a choice. You get an option to change your name as well when you get married/divorced if you wish to take it. Most celebrities keep their own name as taht is what their work is solely based on - their name. My Sister-in-law just got married in december and she chose not to change her name. Society, in general, changes each genereation.
Your view is not rare among women. There are plenty of both sexes that feel the same as you in these regards...
In fact your thoughts and feelings on the entire marraige and women being property thing is quite the relic these days. Yes there are still some that think this way (My Wife's mothers side of the family for instance) but all in all it has degraded a lot. Well Compared to how it use to be. Again, like in your other thread, I have to say wait a few years and experience more of the world to understand how it works a bit better. It still sucks but it doesn't work the way you see it right now.
Kids - Lots of both. More of Nurturing though from the stigmas of society. But being a father I can tell you a couple of things,
1) People change in their personalities and thought processes.
2) If you had kids you would realize that not all toy kitchens are pink and flowery, some are neutral toned for the male children. Same goes for other toys. Hell even most peoples grandparents have childhood pictures of the grandpa being dressed as a little girl until they are like 4.
The society in which someone is raised will always have an affect on the individual regardless of what you do (aside from living in the middle of nowhere with no bills, tv, radio, and you dont go outside or have visitors) What should be done is having a parent that filters what they believe are the good and bad parts. This is not exactly flawless but its the best we can do.
NOONE knows the best way to raise a child. Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit. You just do the best you can and take advice where you feel appropriate.
Although its a very selfish view on why not to have kids I can respect that.
Also know that having kids changes you completely, physically, mentally, and emotionally. Not necessarily bad either.
Marraige is a choice. The woman changing her last name is a choice. You get an option to change your name as well when you get married/divorced if you wish to take it. Most celebrities keep their own name as taht is what their work is solely based on - their name. My Sister-in-law just got married in december and she chose not to change her name. Society, in general, changes each genereation.
Your view is not rare among women. There are plenty of both sexes that feel the same as you in these regards...
In fact your thoughts and feelings on the entire marraige and women being property thing is quite the relic these days. Yes there are still some that think this way (My Wife's mothers side of the family for instance) but all in all it has degraded a lot. Well Compared to how it use to be. Again, like in your other thread, I have to say wait a few years and experience more of the world to understand how it works a bit better. It still sucks but it doesn't work the way you see it right now.
Kids - Lots of both. More of Nurturing though from the stigmas of society. But being a father I can tell you a couple of things,
1) People change in their personalities and thought processes.
2) If you had kids you would realize that not all toy kitchens are pink and flowery, some are neutral toned for the male children. Same goes for other toys. Hell even most peoples grandparents have childhood pictures of the grandpa being dressed as a little girl until they are like 4.
The society in which someone is raised will always have an affect on the individual regardless of what you do (aside from living in the middle of nowhere with no bills, tv, radio, and you dont go outside or have visitors) What should be done is having a parent that filters what they believe are the good and bad parts. This is not exactly flawless but its the best we can do.
NOONE knows the best way to raise a child. Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit. You just do the best you can and take advice where you feel appropriate.
Although its a very selfish view on why not to have kids I can respect that.
Also know that having kids changes you completely, physically, mentally, and emotionally. Not necessarily bad either.
Wait until you dip your stick.FallenMorgan wrote:
I'm a solitary person really, I feel no joy (except in one or two cases) of living together with some random female, having to deal with sagging breasts and stretch marks after the person gets knocked up. I prefer girls as friends to a mild extent.
When you actually get involved in a relationship, you probably won't care about trivial shit like kissing your girlfriend in the morning even though she has bad breath, let alone sagging breasts and stretch marks when she is carrying your child. Human Male/Female relationships are extraordinary to the animal world equivalent when looked at comparatively. You seem to have a deconstructive approach to human relationships - I don't know if it because you lack meaningful relationships of your own, but I would recommend interacting more (especially with females) before you come to the conclusion that you don't want marriage or any type of real female companionship.
Social interaction is imperative to a healthy mindset.
Qft +1
There are parts of this that I can relate to. I think the arbitrary nature of most traditions renders them rather worthless in a logical sense.FallenMorgan wrote:
The educational system is full of bullshit. I have to go through a Chemistry class to graduate High School, and it is fucking hard.
As for something I'd like to say about marriage. I hate the whole bullshit trip of the traditions and yada yada, and my view is rare among women. I hate the concept of asking the girl's parents, specifically her father, as if this is still 2,000 BC and women are just property. I hate the idea that the man "proposes" and if the woman does the man is a pussy. I hate the concept of a dowry or whatever, as if it's payment for marrying the woman or something. What I hate in general is the general overtone with marriage that implies a transfer of "property" from father to other guy.
I also hate the concept of taking the man's last name. If I hypothetically married someone, not saying I'd want to, I'd like to perhaps take her last name, mostly if she was more famous than me, like if her last name started with an H and ends with an N with 4 letters in-between.
On the other hand, it's kind of like religion. A lot of freethinking, logical people make the connection that God is kind of like Santa Claus for adults, but most people aren't very intelligent.
We need things like religion and traditions to keep the dumber people from doing quite so many dumb things. They need an imaginary being to tell them to be good... or else. They need traditions like marriage to keep from being promiscuous disease carriers and deadbeat dads.
So, even if a lot of the customs of society are illogical, they do serve purposes mostly related to order.
Now, I'm not saying that all religious people are idiots, and I'm not saying marriage is worthless. There are plenty of wise people who still have some sort of faith, and there are plenty of loving marriages out there.
It just sounds like you're either the type not cut out for marriage, or you're just in a really frustrating period of your life.
In a few years, you may come to accept the fact that people often don't make logical sense.
Your statememt makes sense to me. Many people are stupid and need an invisible man in the sky to tell them what to do. I'm not the type cut out for marriage, in my opinion. I just don't like the concept, and I don't relate well to other people.
Sex is gross.
A-sexual FTW!
A-sexual FTW!