BF2S Forums Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?

lowing wrote:

Aren't most addicts just people who started off as social drug users??

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Aren't most addicts just people who started off as social drug users??

Aren't most addicts just people who started off drinking coffee??

Would be a good point if drinking coffee was either illegal or self destructive.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Would be a good point if drinking coffee was either illegal or self destructive.

My point is that, like everything, it isn't as simple as just "all addicts were once social users" - some are addicts from the start.

I am not talking about crack babies here and you know it.

There is a time in an addicts life where they were not addicted to their drug of choice and they made a conscience decision to use the drug. It is as simple as that.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am not talking about crack babies here and you know it.

There is a time in an addicts life where they were not addicted to their drug of choice and they made a conscience decision to use the drug. It is as simple as that.

True, but there are also many drug users that never become addicted and never become a burdon on society.

Should we stop everyone from doing something because some poeple can't handle it?

Should we make alcohol illegal because some people become alcoholics?

Should we make washing your hands illegal because some people develop OCD?

Need I go on?

Nope
Nope
and Nope............I couldn't care less who is addicted, or who gets addicted. I say legalize it all, and let people live or die with their choices, as I posted before. I simply do not think that the burdon for their choices should fall on the tax payers.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope
Nope
and Nope............I couldn't care less who is addicted, or who gets addicted. I say legalize it all, and let people live or die with their choices, as I posted before. I simply do not think that the burdon for their choices should fall on the tax payers.

OK, so we shouldn't care for people injured in car accidents either - after all, they chose to get in the car.

Ok, is this the analogy that you really really wanna hang your argument on?? Do you honestly believe drug use and its destructive addictions is the same thing as getting in your car to drive to Grandmas house and getting in a car accident?

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lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok, is this the analogy that you really really wanna hang your argument on?? Do you honestly believe drug use and its destructive addictions is the same thing as getting in your car to drive to Grandmas house and getting in a car accident?

Quite simply, Yes.

Everything we do has inherent risks.

We can neither remove those risks nor wash our hands the consequences.

That's life.

Ok well then, here goes

1. People choose to do drugs KNOWING full well it is an addictive and destructive, practice, not to mention illegal. They do it knowing it will eventually cost them their jobs, wealth and family.

People do not get in the car to drive to grandmas house KNOWING they are going to get into a car accident. Nor do they choose to get into a car accedent.If they did, then it would be called a car DELIBERATE and not a car ACCIDENT. There is nothing destructive about going to grandmas house and it is not illegal.

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Self induced troubles do not fall under friendship guidelines. If he were a friend, he would not be derailing your life along with his, by his drug use.

Your quality of life is also governed by who you choose to share that life with, in any proportion.


Aren't most addicts just people who started off as social drug users??

I never was affected by their addiction.  They knew they could not carry drugs in my car, and that was all.

Only a coupla possibilities here serge if you were not affected by his addiction

1. You are not that important of a friend,

2. He doesn't have an addiction

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok well then, here goes

1. People choose to do drugs KNOWING full well it is an addictive and destructive, practice, not to mention illegal. They do it knowing it will eventually cost them their jobs, wealth and family.

People do not get in the car to drive to grandmas house KNOWING they are going to get into a car accident. Nor do they choose to get into a car accedent.If they did, then it would be called a car DELIBERATE and not a car ACCIDENT. There is nothing destructive about going to grandmas house and it is not illegal.

Wrong.

People choose to do drugs knowing it is POTENTIALLY destructive.

People choose to drive cars knowing it is POTENTIALLY destructive.

A user wants to become an addict no more than a driver wants to become a murderer.

Both are possibilities.

Just as long term drug use without addiction, nor loss of jobs, wealth and family is a possibility.

Ok, so you will try to encourge your children to use illegal drugs safely just as you will try and teach them to drive safely, because you say it is the same thing.

lowing wrote:

I know you do not believe the bullshit you are trying to pass here so please stop.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok, so you will try to encourge your children to use illegal drugs safely just as you will try and teach them to drive safely, because you say it is the same thing.

YES! Exactly. Just as I will teach them how to cross the road safely. And about safe sex. And how to chop vegetables without slicing open an artery. etc. etc.. etc...

lowing wrote:

I know you do not believe the bullshit you are trying to pass here so please stop.

My views may not coincide with yours, but that does not make them "bullshit".

Please do us all a favor and not reproduce. If you see no difference in drug addiction to driving a car, then you are lost beyond all hope. As a matter of fact it is probably your own drug use, that has made you see life in this way.

By the way, if you teach your kids how to use illegal drugs safely, there is absolutely no hope for you or your kids.

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lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Please do us all a favor and not reproduce. If you see no difference in drug addiction to driving a car, then you are lost beyond all hope. As a matter of fact it is probably your own drug use, that has made you see life in this way.

By the way, if you teach your kids how to use illegal drugs safely, there is absolutely no hope for you or your kids.

You know what lowing, your point of view isn't the one and only possible correct view that could ever exist.

You really are unbelievable. Someone disagrees with you and, therefor, there is no hope for them or their kids.

Get some perspective you obnoxious, self-centered, egotistical prick.

The whole point of teaching someone to use drugs (or do anything) SAFELY is that it REDUCES RISK - that's what 'safely' MEANS!

By not teaching your kids how to use drugs safely you are putting them at more risk - they are individuals with their own free will and they may well choose to try drugs - if they do so without knowing how to do that safely, then they are at much greater risk.

That is fine, then your kids that choose to do drugs will be lists as one of those people that does not deserve nor will get anything from me. I will be happy to step over them on the sidewalk. If you don't care then I promise you I don't


Here is an off the fuckin wall idea................How about you raise your kids teaching them that drugs are bad, destructive, illegal and unhealthy. Sounds crazy I know, but it is working for my kids.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

That is fine, then your kids that choose to do drugs will be lists as one of those people that does not deserve nor will get anything from me. I will be happy to step over them on the sidewalk. If you don't care then I promise you I don't


Here is an off the fuckin wall idea................How about you raise your kids teaching them that drugs are bad, destructive, illegal and unhealthy. Sounds crazy I know, but it is working for my kids.

I was taught that drugs are just bad, destructive, illegal and unhealthy when I was very young.

Then I became old enough to form my own opinions and discovered that that is just bullshit.

As I said before - your kids are individuals, they will not continue doing everything you say for the rest of their lives.

I would rather give my kids the ability to think and decide for themselves and an informed and safe manner.

Whatever, your argument is so full of bullshit it would be laughable if it were not so fuckin tragic.

If you think as a parent you have no influence over your kids choices in life then you are also no parent.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I was taught that drugs are just bad, destructive, illegal and unhealthy when I was very young.

Then I became old enough to form my own opinions and discovered that that is just bullshit.

As I said before - your kids are individuals, they will not continue doing everything you say for the rest of their lives.

I would rather give my kids the ability to think and decide for themselves and an informed and safe manner.

Whatever, your argument is so full of bullshit it would be laughable if it were not so fuckin tragic.

If you think as a parent you have no influence over your kids choices in life then you are also no parent.

Where did I say that parents have no influence?

In fact BOTH our arguments rest on the fact that parents do influence their kids.

HOWEVER, if you believe that by simply shoving a "drugs are evil" message down their throats you are somehow going to stop them have a mind of their own, you are deluded.