Well good luck with you and your kids meth lab. I am sure you will be a success. I am sure a lot of positive things will come of it.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
One sided education is no education at all.lowing wrote:
educate in the form of telling people what drug abuse can do to you, yes. Educate on how to shoot heroin with a clean neddle and how to have fun with it is completely absurd.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I agree with you on that point - the market is driven by demand.
But the illegality of various drugs has done nothing to quell that demand.
Hence I believe it is better to educate than to punish.
Telling people the potential harm drugs can do, without telling them about the potential benefits, is like telling people that cars can kill, without telling them that they can be used to get from A to B.
Poll
Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?
| Yes, they are breaking the law | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| Only after being to rehab and being caught again | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| No, they are sick and jail would make things even worse | 33% | 33% - 45 | ||||
| Other | 11% | 11% - 16 | ||||
| Total: 135 | ||||||
Well, everybody dies eventually, so your statement is moot.lowing wrote:
Keep shooting meth, snorting coke, shooting heroin etc....... and I will bet you that you will be proven wrong.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Except the users will not go away.lowing wrote:
You are now preaching to the choir, I endorse legalizing drugs, and letting every moron out their blow their minds while our govt. gets rich on the taxes. The sooner the drug abusers are all gone the sooner smart society can move forward.
The govt. was wrong in banning alcohol.
The use of most drugs is not an irreversible one way trip to the grave.
Just as you hear of 100yr old smokers that have smoked most of their lives and who die from natural causes, their are plenty of long-term users of other drugs that also live long and productive lives.
We are wayyyyyyyyy off track here. I say everyone can smoke, snort, shoot drink whatever the fuck they want. I do not care. I simply do not endorse taking care of your sorry asses when you find you have gone over the top. Nothing more nothing less.Turquoise wrote:
What if I only smoke marijuana socially?lowing wrote:
if it is illegal, yesTurquoise wrote:
What about drugs that don't have a medicinal use? If a drug is purely recreational, is it abuse to simply use it?
If you drink to get completey falling down shit faced drunk it is alcohol abuse.
Would its status of abuse change if it became legal and I smoked it socially?
So will you provide your kids their own crack pipe or will you just share?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, everybody dies eventually, so your statement is moot.lowing wrote:
Keep shooting meth, snorting coke, shooting heroin etc....... and I will bet you that you will be proven wrong.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Except the users will not go away.
The use of most drugs is not an irreversible one way trip to the grave.
Just as you hear of 100yr old smokers that have smoked most of their lives and who die from natural causes, their are plenty of long-term users of other drugs that also live long and productive lives.
You have a strange view of what education means.lowing wrote:
Well good luck with you and your kids meth lab. I am sure you will be a success. I am sure a lot of positive things will come of it.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
One sided education is no education at all.lowing wrote:
educate in the form of telling people what drug abuse can do to you, yes. Educate on how to shoot heroin with a clean neddle and how to have fun with it is completely absurd.
Telling people the potential harm drugs can do, without telling them about the potential benefits, is like telling people that cars can kill, without telling them that they can be used to get from A to B.
Why should drug education necessarily take the form of someone cooking up meth?
Do we teach rocket science by flinging people in to space?
We have this amazing invention called language which allows one to educate another about a subject without having to physically demonstrate said subject.
........yeah and you want to use language to teach kids how to get high on various drugs.........yer a genious.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You have a strange view of what education means.lowing wrote:
Well good luck with you and your kids meth lab. I am sure you will be a success. I am sure a lot of positive things will come of it.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
One sided education is no education at all.
Telling people the potential harm drugs can do, without telling them about the potential benefits, is like telling people that cars can kill, without telling them that they can be used to get from A to B.
Why should drug education necessarily take the form of someone cooking up meth?
Do we teach rocket science by flinging people in to space?
We have this amazing invention called language which allows one to educate another about a subject without having to physically demonstrate said subject.
Fair enough....lowing wrote:
We are wayyyyyyyyy off track here. I say everyone can smoke, snort, shoot drink whatever the fuck they want. I do not care. I simply do not endorse taking care of your sorry asses when you find you have gone over the top. Nothing more nothing less.Turquoise wrote:
What if I only smoke marijuana socially?lowing wrote:
if it is illegal, yes
If you drink to get completey falling down shit faced drunk it is alcohol abuse.
Would its status of abuse change if it became legal and I smoked it socially?
How areyour kids going to know how to shoot up meth safely if you do not show them??lowing wrote:
........yeah and you want to use language to teach kids how to get high on various drugs.........yer a genious.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You have a strange view of what education means.lowing wrote:
Well good luck with you and your kids meth lab. I am sure you will be a success. I am sure a lot of positive things will come of it.
Why should drug education necessarily take the form of someone cooking up meth?
Do we teach rocket science by flinging people in to space?
We have this amazing invention called language which allows one to educate another about a subject without having to physically demonstrate said subject.
No, I will tell them about how various drugs are used, and I will tell them what effects, both positive and negative, those drugs have.lowing wrote:
So will you provide your kids their own crack pipe or will you just share?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, everybody dies eventually, so your statement is moot.lowing wrote:
Keep shooting meth, snorting coke, shooting heroin etc....... and I will bet you that you will be proven wrong.
Just as you hear of 100yr old smokers that have smoked most of their lives and who die from natural causes, their are plenty of long-term users of other drugs that also live long and productive lives.
I will then let them make up their own minds about the path they wish to take through life.
In the same way that they will learn to avoid other dangers that I can not physically demonstrate to them.lowing wrote:
How areyour kids going to know how to shoot up meth safely if you do not show them??lowing wrote:
........yeah and you want to use language to teach kids how to get high on various drugs.........yer a genious.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You have a strange view of what education means.
Why should drug education necessarily take the form of someone cooking up meth?
Do we teach rocket science by flinging people in to space?
We have this amazing invention called language which allows one to educate another about a subject without having to physically demonstrate said subject.
Do you teach your kids that fire is dangerous by burning them?
The ability to describe something, without physically demonstrating it, is not a complicated idea.
lol......good luck with that.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I will tell them about how various drugs are used, and I will tell them what effects, both positive and negative, those drugs have.lowing wrote:
So will you provide your kids their own crack pipe or will you just share?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, everybody dies eventually, so your statement is moot.
Just as you hear of 100yr old smokers that have smoked most of their lives and who die from natural causes, their are plenty of long-term users of other drugs that also live long and productive lives.
I will then let them make up their own minds about the path they wish to take through life.
And when they choose drugs you will be there to get high with them, I have no doubt. Ya know, if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
Yer right, but I do not plan on teaching my kids the fun and safe way to commit arsonScorpion0x17 wrote:
In the same way that they will learn to avoid other dangers that I can not physically demonstrate to them.lowing wrote:
How areyour kids going to know how to shoot up meth safely if you do not show them??lowing wrote:
........yeah and you want to use language to teach kids how to get high on various drugs.........yer a genious.
Do you teach your kids that fire is dangerous by burning them?
The ability to describe something, without physically demonstrating it, is not a complicated idea.
I understand the point you're trying to make, however, I hope the information provided isn't biased. For instance, you can argue it's not AS harmful as many legal recreational activities, but there's no way around the legality issue.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I will tell them about how various drugs are used, and I will tell them what effects, both positive and negative, those drugs have.lowing wrote:
So will you provide your kids their own crack pipe or will you just share?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, everybody dies eventually, so your statement is moot.
Just as you hear of 100yr old smokers that have smoked most of their lives and who die from natural causes, their are plenty of long-term users of other drugs that also live long and productive lives.
I will then let them make up their own minds about the path they wish to take through life.
That is a logical impossibility.lowing wrote:
if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
I suggest you read Why People Believe Weird Things - it may help you formulate a coherent argument.
As fucked up as you are , I didn't think you would notice.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
That is a logical impossibility.lowing wrote:
if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
No, it won't be. And that's the point I've been making all along - lowing has a biased one-sided opinion - I am calling for unbiased education.Pug wrote:
I understand the point you're trying to make, however, I hope the information provided isn't biased. For instance, you can argue it's not AS harmful as many legal recreational activities, but there's no way around the legality issue.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I will tell them about how various drugs are used, and I will tell them what effects, both positive and negative, those drugs have.lowing wrote:
So will you provide your kids their own crack pipe or will you just share?
I will then let them make up their own minds about the path they wish to take through life.
Do you think drugs should be legal?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, it won't be. And that's the point I've been making all along - lowing has a biased one-sided opinion - I am calling for unbiased education.
My argument is completely coherent. Legalize drugs rape the users on taxes and do not let you turn to society for a bail out when AND IF you have fucked yourself up. Pretty coherent I thinkScorpion0x17 wrote:
That is a logical impossibility.lowing wrote:
if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
I suggest you read Why People Believe Weird Things - it may help you formulate a coherent argument.
I'm not fucked up.lowing wrote:
As fucked up as you are , I didn't think you would notice.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
That is a logical impossibility.lowing wrote:
if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
Again you resort personal attack because you can not formulate a coherent argument.
Again, I suggest you read Why People Believe Weird Things.
Yes.Pug wrote:
Do you think drugs should be legal?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, it won't be. And that's the point I've been making all along - lowing has a biased one-sided opinion - I am calling for unbiased education.
However they are not, and so part of a balanced unbiased drugs education must be about the illegality.
Well, good. I hope that when you explain this, then the kids understand getting caught = permanently closed doors.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yes.Pug wrote:
Do you think drugs should be legal?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, it won't be. And that's the point I've been making all along - lowing has a biased one-sided opinion - I am calling for unbiased education.
However they are not, and so part of a balanced unbiased drugs education must be about the illegality.
Do you use drugs?
No thanks, I am not interested in the slightest in entertaining your attempts to prove drug abuse can be fun, educational and beneficial. JUST LIKE DRIVING.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not fucked up.lowing wrote:
As fucked up as you are , I didn't think you would notice.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
That is a logical impossibility.
Again you resort personal attack because you can not formulate a coherent argument.
Again, I suggest you read Why People Believe Weird Things.
You believe it is coherent.lowing wrote:
My argument is completely coherent. Legalize drugs rape the users on taxes and do not let you turn to society for a bail out when AND IF you have fucked yourself up. Pretty coherent I thinkScorpion0x17 wrote:
That is a logical impossibility.lowing wrote:
if we had more people like you, we would have less people like you.
I suggest you read Why People Believe Weird Things - it may help you formulate a coherent argument.
Yet by resorting to logical impossibilities and ad hominem attacks you show that it is not.
Yer kiddin' right?Pug wrote:
Well, good. I hope that when you explain this, then the kids understand getting caught = permanently closed doors.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yes.Pug wrote:
Do you think drugs should be legal?
However they are not, and so part of a balanced unbiased drugs education must be about the illegality.
Do you use drugs?