Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7082|132 and Bush

Lockheed Morphing UAV
High-fliers for reconnaissance missions or low-fliers for attacks.





High performance jet fighters have used a variety of morphing mechanisms in the past such as variable-sweep wings and fowler flaps to expand the flight envelope and enhance mission capability. The Morphing Aircraft Structures Program takes this concept to a higher level. Radical shape changes such as a significant increases or decreases in wetted area could allow a single platform to conduct two or more diverse missions. The ability to perform both high altitude persistent Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance and also rapidly respond to Time Sensitive Targets could provide the warplanner with options not previously available. Seamless skins, smart actuators and adaptive flight control technologies are key to this revolutionary approach to flexible combat aircraft design. Integration of network centric interoperability and tailored survivability could produce a weapon system that compliments state-of-the-art systems including the F-22A and F-35
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Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6926|The Land of Scott Walker
Sahweeeeet.
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7059|Columbus, OH
I would be in business if it can delivery pizzas!
TC.Troy
Let the rough side drag
+111|7054
The first 100 years of aircraft evolution have been amazing.  The next 100 should produce some beautiful and wondrous things.

man...

wow
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7102|London, England
I've always wondered about things like these. I wonder what the lag is like controlling them, and I'm not just being an internet twat.

Think of the distances involved from the operator and the aircraft. Now realise that radio signals can only travel at the speed of light, not instantly. Even the miliseconds will be frustrating to make it control and it gets worse at long range. So it's unlikely that you will have people fighting for freedom whilst sitting in their homes in Dallas.

You know, just like how it's shit playing on a server in ATL when you're in London (you hear that ig)

Basically, because of that. I don't believe that Pilots will ever be replaced. Unless you have a fully automated system where the computer does everything, and we are very far away from that.











Of course there is a chance what I said is complete BS and I'm totally wrong.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7082|132 and Bush

Mek-Izzle wrote:

I've always wondered about things like these. I wonder what the lag is like controlling them, and I'm not just being an internet twat.

Think of the distances involved from the operator and the aircraft. Now realise that radio signals can only travel at the speed of light, not instantly. Even the miliseconds will be frustrating to make it control and it gets worse at long range. So it's unlikely that you will have people fighting for freedom whilst sitting in their homes in Dallas.

You know, just like how it's shit playing on a server in ATL when you're in London (you hear that ig)

Basically, because of that. I don't believe that Pilots will ever be replaced. Unless you have a fully automated system where the computer does everything, and we are very far away from that.











Of course there is a chance what I said is complete BS and I'm totally wrong.
I think the lag is nominal compared with Human (lag). These things are satellite linked also (Electro magnetic waves travel faster in a vacuum). Loss of communication might be a concern.. cue the terminator III intro.
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7018|Long Island, New York
Seems like something out of Terminator 3. Hawt.
MysteryJake
Member
+12|6688|California

Mek-Izzle wrote:

I've always wondered about things like these. I wonder what the lag is like controlling them, and I'm not just being an internet twat.

Think of the distances involved from the operator and the aircraft. Now realise that radio signals can only travel at the speed of light, not instantly. Even the miliseconds will be frustrating to make it control and it gets worse at long range. So it's unlikely that you will have people fighting for freedom whilst sitting in their homes in Dallas.

You know, just like how it's shit playing on a server in ATL when you're in London (you hear that ig)

Basically, because of that. I don't believe that Pilots will ever be replaced. Unless you have a fully automated system where the computer does everything, and we are very far away from that.











Of course there is a chance what I said is complete BS and I'm totally wrong.
At the speed of light you could travel around the world 7 times in one second, Can radio waves really travel that fast?I don't think lag would be an issue here if thats the case.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7102|London, England

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

I've always wondered about things like these. I wonder what the lag is like controlling them, and I'm not just being an internet twat.

Think of the distances involved from the operator and the aircraft. Now realise that radio signals can only travel at the speed of light, not instantly. Even the miliseconds will be frustrating to make it control and it gets worse at long range. So it's unlikely that you will have people fighting for freedom whilst sitting in their homes in Dallas.

You know, just like how it's shit playing on a server in ATL when you're in London (you hear that ig)

Basically, because of that. I don't believe that Pilots will ever be replaced. Unless you have a fully automated system where the computer does everything, and we are very far away from that.











Of course there is a chance what I said is complete BS and I'm totally wrong.
I think the lag is nominal compared with Human (lag). These things are satellite linked also (Electro magnetic waves travel faster in a vacuum). Loss of communication might be a concern.. cue the terminator III intro.
Waves travel at "only" the speed of light in a vacuum, I don't know how fast they travel within the atmosphere, but it's probably a lil' slower

Also satellite = huge distances = even more lag

And lag like that is not beneficial for real time systems

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-03 12:19:14)

Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7166|Espoo, Finland
Man is insane.
Spening billions to develope more efficient ways to kill each other...

Lol at propaganda though.

Last edited by Gawwad (2008-03-03 12:24:30)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7082|132 and Bush

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Waves travel at "only" the speed of light in a vacuum, I don't know how fast they travel within the atmosphere, but it's probably a lil' slower

Also satellite = huge distances = even more lag

And lag like that is not beneficial for real time systems
I think you are forgetting the earth is round? This requires relays as it follows the curvature of the earth as well as geographic interference (Natural and Man Made).  TacSat-2 satellites orbit at about 250 miles.
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Commie Killer
Member
+192|6868

Gawwad wrote:

Man is insane.
Spening billions to develope more efficient ways to kill each other...

Lol at propaganda though.
You have to admit a huge amount of our major technological advancements have come from trying to find me efficient ways of killing each other.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7166|Espoo, Finland

Commie Killer wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

Man is insane.
Spening billions to develope more efficient ways to kill each other...

Lol at propaganda though.
You have to admit a huge amount of our major technological advancements have come from trying to find me efficient ways of killing each other.
That's true, sadly.

Proves my point.
The#1Spot
Member
+105|7021|byah

Gawwad wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

Man is insane.
Spening billions to develope more efficient ways to kill each other...

Lol at propaganda though.
You have to admit a huge amount of our major technological advancements have come from trying to find me efficient ways of killing each other.
That's true, sadly.

Proves my point.
At least they are being constructive.
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|7165|West Yorkshire, U.K
What? They made a paper aeroplane?!?
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7102|London, England

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Waves travel at "only" the speed of light in a vacuum, I don't know how fast they travel within the atmosphere, but it's probably a lil' slower

Also satellite = huge distances = even more lag

And lag like that is not beneficial for real time systems
I think you are forgetting the earth is round? This requires relays as it follows the curvature of the earth as well as geographic interference (Natural and Man Made).  TacSat-2 satellites orbit at about 250 miles.
I know, which contributes further to the distance travelled which means even more "lag"

I wasn't arguing that they won't be used, I'm just saying that it all contributes to significant lag for a real time system such as controlling an unmanned aircraft. It may be ok for Space missions, but you don't need to react as fast for missions where you're controlling vehicles in space as you have quite long time frames.

Of course, the distances might not be that bad and it could very well be easily controllable, I don't know. I've yet to control a UAV (yet )

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-03 13:47:33)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7082|132 and Bush

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Waves travel at "only" the speed of light in a vacuum, I don't know how fast they travel within the atmosphere, but it's probably a lil' slower

Also satellite = huge distances = even more lag

And lag like that is not beneficial for real time systems
I think you are forgetting the earth is round? This requires relays as it follows the curvature of the earth as well as geographic interference (Natural and Man Made).  TacSat-2 satellites orbit at about 250 miles.
I know, which contributes further to the distance travelled which means even more "lag"

I wasn't arguing that they won't be used, I'm just saying that it all contributes to significant lag for a real time system such as controlling an unmanned aircraft. It may be ok for Space missions, but you don't need to react as fast for missions where you're controlling vehicles in space as you have quite long time frames.

Of course, the distances might not be that bad and it could very well be easily controllable, I don't know. I've yet to control a UAV (yet )
These won't be attacking in a "dogfight" type scenario. They are intended to do reconnaissance and if needed switch modes to hit targets that might not be there in the delay it takes to call in air strikes. The military is already using this technology. They watch (satellite streamed) battles in real time, track vehicles, and make immediate strategic decisions based on them.

I guess this is a more stealthy/faster version of the MQ-9.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=6405
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6704|Escea

ZOMG Transformers! Or the Terminator robots.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|7048|NYC / Hamburg

Kurazoo wrote:

What? They made a paper aeroplane?!?
my thoughts exactly
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6675|Schofield Barracks

TC.Troy wrote:

The first 100 years of aircraft evolution have been amazing.  The next 100 should produce some beautiful and wondrous things.

man...

wow
yea but with those wondrous things come extremely destructive things.
GR34
Member
+215|7026|ALBERTA> CANADA
I wish I would be around 100 years from know to see what type of space/air planes we have
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7082|132 and Bush

GR34 wrote:

I wish I would be around 100 years from know to see what type of space/air planes we have
I believe in setting the bar high. (Sneak Peak)
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