Don't Like Ben Franklin?usmarine wrote:
oh jesusGanko_06 wrote:
"Any country that sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
Poll
Would You Give Up Your Rights and Civil Liberties for Your Country?
| Yes, my country comes first | 4% | 4% - 4 | ||||
| Only if there's a real threat to my country | 13% | 13% - 13 | ||||
| It depends on what rights and civil liberties (explain) | 16% | 16% - 16 | ||||
| Never, I come first | 23% | 23% - 23 | ||||
| If my country asked me to do that then fuck my country | 42% | 42% - 41 | ||||
| Total: 97 | ||||||
dont like people who owned slaves talking about liberty and freedom. makes me sick when people quote these guys.ReTox wrote:
Don't Like Ben Franklin?usmarine wrote:
oh jesusGanko_06 wrote:
"Any country that sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
You do know that he freed both his slaves and became an abolitionist?usmarine wrote:
dont like people who owned slaves talking about liberty and freedom. makes me sick when people quote these guys.ReTox wrote:
Don't Like Ben Franklin?usmarine wrote:
oh jesus
Granted, that was later is his life.
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we must judge people by the time they lived in.
But the principle still applies. Being a free nation, to many a "unique" nation given our birth, means we hold dear the constitution. Giving up those constitutional rights is no longer living in freedom. When our elected leaders give up said freedom, for pretended security, we deserve neither.
That principle spans ANY time and government.
That principle spans ANY time and government.
Civil liberties are a luxury, I would gladly give them up for no particular reason.
If my country asked me to do that then fuck my country
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So you're cool with random searches of your home? Providing documentation when you drive from state to state? You're ok with your phone calls being taped..domestic phone calls? If you have a problem with those things, it's ok that you'll be jailed or labeled a non-patriot and possibly made to be quiet? Civil rights are a mark of civilization's advancement..loss of those and you digress to the dark ages...hardly a luxury.CloakedStarship wrote:
Civil liberties are a luxury, I would gladly give them up for no particular reason.
You appear to have missed the gushing sarcasm flowing from my postIRONCHEF wrote:
So you're cool with random searches of your home? Providing documentation when you drive from state to state? You're ok with your phone calls being taped..domestic phone calls? If you have a problem with those things, it's ok that you'll be jailed or labeled a non-patriot and possibly made to be quiet? Civil rights are a mark of civilization's advancement..loss of those and you digress to the dark ages...hardly a luxury.CloakedStarship wrote:
Civil liberties are a luxury, I would gladly give them up for no particular reason.
I must have.CloakedStarship wrote:
You appear to have missed the gushing sarcasm flowing from my postIRONCHEF wrote:
So you're cool with random searches of your home? Providing documentation when you drive from state to state? You're ok with your phone calls being taped..domestic phone calls? If you have a problem with those things, it's ok that you'll be jailed or labeled a non-patriot and possibly made to be quiet? Civil rights are a mark of civilization's advancement..loss of those and you digress to the dark ages...hardly a luxury.CloakedStarship wrote:
Civil liberties are a luxury, I would gladly give them up for no particular reason.
I didnt
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
anyway, I think the question ain't specific enough. In general, though, I'd not be willing to give up any of my civil rights for my country. and, as others have alluded to, I'd hope that my country will never ask me to do that. Because if it did, it wouldn't be "my" country any longer...
anyway, I think the question ain't specific enough. In general, though, I'd not be willing to give up any of my civil rights for my country. and, as others have alluded to, I'd hope that my country will never ask me to do that. Because if it did, it wouldn't be "my" country any longer...
Same here.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I didnt
I mean he did write "no particular reason"topal63 wrote:
Same here.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I didnt
People have said more shocking things here that were serious, sue me for relying on the appropriate smiley or "/sarcasm" tag.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I mean he did write "no particular reason"topal63 wrote:
Same here.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I didnt
Ya after it made him rich and powerful. I see that as a political move.SenorToenails wrote:
You do know that he freed both his slaves and became an abolitionist?usmarine wrote:
dont like people who owned slaves talking about liberty and freedom. makes me sick when people quote these guys.ReTox wrote:
Don't Like Ben Franklin?
Granted, that was later is his life.
this is the kind of thread where id generally post a dense block of text, but looking at the results of the poll, id be preaching to the choir. lots of good posts in here, im glad that most of us can see eye to eye.
Uhhh?B.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
you only close the other ones anywayB.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
You lost me. Retaliatory thread?usmarine wrote:
you only close the other ones anywayB.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
i dunnosergeriver wrote:
You lost me. Retaliatory thread?usmarine wrote:
you only close the other ones anywayB.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
Since you addressed him I assumed you did.usmarine wrote:
i dunnosergeriver wrote:
You lost me. Retaliatory thread?usmarine wrote:
you only close the other ones anyway
I addressed that sentence yes, but that was in general.sergeriver wrote:
Since you addressed him I assumed you did.
It really depends on what you're talking about here. Which rights, and to do what? Understandable if you're giving up some personal freedoms to voluntarily serve in the military, absurd if you're abandoning privacy or the ability to defend yourself for 'enhanced security.'
That's one of the stranger editions of that oft-paraphrased quote.Ganko_06 wrote:
"Any country that sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-05 14:06:17)
Doing so would entail taking away what I like about my country, so of course not, as that isn't a place I'd like to live in.