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2008-03-04 13:02:12
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA

rawls2 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

You should demand that Israel be renamed UStaxpayerland.
Its fucking rediculous Cam!!

I am so tired of my money going to illegals and Israel I could spit!
STFU, try this....get an education, run for office, and change the laws. Whats stopping you? Your lazy white people deserve everything attitude. You see brown and assume illegal. Wake up man we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property. Same goes for the Palestinians. They could have been living side by side with the Israelis years ago but they refuse to concede anything. Tough shit. And Israel is our allies we give them shit becuase they are our friends. Palestinians could be our friends too but they choose not to. end of story.
Excuse me pal. . .

I am supposed to drop what I am doing (i.e. my job/my life) to run for public office in a liberal state like California?? Are you high?? I am 28 years old, I dont have the fucking time or money to run for the Senate or House!! Driving better cars or owning property?? LOL I live in Northern California and the cars Mexicans are driving are fucking toilets and the houses/apartments they live in are crowded rats nests! I work in the service industry, and the Mexicans I work with live in 2 bedroom apts with 7 sometimes 8 people!!! So dont lecture me!

And p.s. NONE of the Mexicans I work with are legal/have any intention of being legal nor do they give a fuck about the USA or what she stands for!  They are here for money, not to establish themselves as legal residents/citizens etc.  Again. . . dont lecture me!

Regarding the Palestinians and Israeliis. . . .  The Palestinians HAVE NOTHING!! Literally HAVE NOTHING! Israel gets all our money, our support, and our weapons.  The Palestinians havent been perfect by any means whatsoever, but they are throwing stones and the Israelis are firing 120mm shells/ bulldozing their homes!! What the fuck would you do buddy?? I dont support either cause, but Israel has got the better deal completely and their is no denying that. . . . Not only that they are dragging the good name of the USA and dragging it through the mudd!! Im fucking tired of it!

Oh yea I do have an education (graduated mass comm major Univ. of Oregon) thanks for asking!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2008-03-04 13:04:08)

2008-03-04 13:08:41
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6626

rawls2 wrote:

... we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property...
May i ask who is "we"  ?
2008-03-04 13:17:02
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

... we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property...
May i ask who is "we"  ?
He got all butthurt when I mentioned "illegals" so I would imagine he is of some sort of South American decent.  Either way I laughed at this cause Mexicans where I live (Northern Cali) drive essentially toilets with 4 wheels so I dont know what this guy is talking about. . . .

And the property they "own"(probably rent) are all overcrowded and unkept for the most part.  I can take some pics for all of you to see Redwood City, CA or as I like to call it "Mini Michoacan". . . .
2008-03-04 13:45:35
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6988
Redwood city, lol. Whitetrash/Spicville you mean?
2008-03-04 14:34:51
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

My views are not clouded, I have nothing for or against Israel. I am speaking as a merew sideliner and I can honestly say, if the roles were reversed, my opinion would not.
Well personally I have very definite views on what I consider right and wrong, and I consider the creation of Israel in the first place to be wrong. To be honest I find your 'unbiased bystander' claim a little laughable.
Your views of right and wrong are slanted away from Israel .That is obvious. What you condemn Israel for, you would not condemn anyone else, except the US I am sure.

Why as an individual, can I not be a bystander on this issue or is it laughable?? I have done nothing to help nor hinder their war.. I can't get anymore "bystander" than not getting involved.
2008-03-04 14:37:54
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6650|Escea

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

My views are not clouded, I have nothing for or against Israel. I am speaking as a merew sideliner and I can honestly say, if the roles were reversed, my opinion would not.
Well personally I have very definite views on what I consider right and wrong, and I consider the creation of Israel in the first place to be wrong. To be honest I find your 'unbiased bystander' claim a little laughable.
Your views of right and wrong are slanted away from Israel .That is obvious. What you condemn Israel for, you would not condemn anyone else, except the US I am sure.

Why as an individual, can I not be a bystander on this issue or is it laughable?? I have done nothing to help nor hinder their war.. I can't get anymore "bystander" than not getting involved.
U have to be a 'bystander' yet support the underdogs
2008-03-04 14:44:22
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

fadedsteve wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

... we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property...
May i ask who is "we"  ?
He got all butthurt when I mentioned "illegals" so I would imagine he is of some sort of South American decent.  Either way I laughed at this cause Mexicans where I live (Northern Cali) drive essentially toilets with 4 wheels so I dont know what this guy is talking about. . . .

And the property they "own"(probably rent) are all overcrowded and unkept for the most part.  I can take some pics for all of you to see Redwood City, CA or as I like to call it "Mini Michoacan". . . .
Mexico ins't South America.
2008-03-04 15:09:38
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

M.O.A.B wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Well personally I have very definite views on what I consider right and wrong, and I consider the creation of Israel in the first place to be wrong. To be honest I find your 'unbiased bystander' claim a little laughable.
Your views of right and wrong are slanted away from Israel .That is obvious. What you condemn Israel for, you would not condemn anyone else, except the US I am sure.

Why as an individual, can I not be a bystander on this issue or is it laughable?? I have done nothing to help nor hinder their war.. I can't get anymore "bystander" than not getting involved.
U have to be a 'bystander' yet support the underdogs
actually, I do not support anyone. Really I do not give a shit if they blow each other to hell. But I gotta go with what anyone would do in this given situation. the Arabs and Muslims in the ME have it in for Israel, and they had in for the Jews before Israel even existed. They will also have it in for the Jews after Israel is gone. You are all kidding yourselves if you think Israel is not the victims and that the ME are not the aggressors. All Israel is trying to do is survive against an onslaught of terrorism and radical tactics. Pretty much just the rest of us are having to start doing against radical elements birthed in the ME.

I will bet that if Israel would be left alone, they would attack no one..........
2008-03-04 15:24:56
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983

lowing wrote:

actually, I do not support anyone. Really I do not give a shit if they blow each other to hell. But I gotta go with what anyone would do in this given situation. the Arabs and Muslims in the ME have it in for Israel, and they had in for the Jews before Israel even existed. They will also have it in for the Jews after Israel is gone. You are all kidding yourselves if you think Israel is not the victims and that the ME are not the aggressors. All Israel is trying to do is survive against an onslaught of terrorism and radical tactics. Pretty much just the rest of us are having to start doing against radical elements birthed in the ME.

I will bet that if Israel would be left alone, they would attack no one..........
Way to contradict your 'I do not support anyone' claim in the very same paragraph as the claim itself! lolololol. Perhaps your judgement isn't as 'unclouded' as you strangely believed...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-04 15:28:06)

2008-03-04 16:14:40
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

actually, I do not support anyone. Really I do not give a shit if they blow each other to hell. But I gotta go with what anyone would do in this given situation. the Arabs and Muslims in the ME have it in for Israel, and they had in for the Jews before Israel even existed. They will also have it in for the Jews after Israel is gone. You are all kidding yourselves if you think Israel is not the victims and that the ME are not the aggressors. All Israel is trying to do is survive against an onslaught of terrorism and radical tactics. Pretty much just the rest of us are having to start doing against radical elements birthed in the ME.

I will bet that if Israel would be left alone, they would attack no one..........
Way to contradict your 'I do not support anyone' claim in the very same paragraph as the claim itself! lolololol. Perhaps your judgement isn't as 'unclouded' as you strangely believed...
Not sure what is so funny, what I posted is based on the past, present, which leads me to a logical conclusion as to what the future would hold. Like I said I do not care about Israel or its demise. I just know that anyone in their situation would react exactly the way they are. Drastic situations calls for drastic measures. I am not for  or against them, I simply understand what they are up against.
If you switched the names and left the events the same, I would understand the Arab nations defending themselves just as Israel is forced to do.
I consider myself very consistent on this issue.

Now, deny the fact that the Arabs and Muslims had it in for the Jews long before Israel was created. The state of Israel is nothing more than a convenient excuse for the continued persecution of the Jews that was started before Israel emerged in the ME, and will continue after Israel is destroyed. Deny it.
2008-03-05 03:47:54
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7269|Cologne, Germany

rawls2 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


You should demand that Israel be renamed UStaxpayerland.
Its fucking rediculous Cam!!

I am so tired of my money going to illegals and Israel I could spit!
STFU, try this....get an education, run for office, and change the laws. Whats stopping you? Your lazy white people deserve everything attitude. You see brown and assume illegal. Wake up man we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property. Same goes for the Palestinians. They could have been living side by side with the Israelis years ago but they refuse to concede anything. Tough shit. And Israel is our allies we give them shit becuase they are our friends. Palestinians could be our friends too but they choose not to. end of story.
What ? !?! The palestinians living there in '48 were pretty much fucked over by the British and the League of Nations, who in turn were lobbied into handing over that part of palestine over to the israelis, even though muslims outnumbered israelis by 5:1.

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them. Have you seen under what conditions these people live in Gaza and the West Bank ?
Those are basically concentration camps, where Israel can literally cut off water, food, medicine and power supply as they see fit.
Palestinians don't have access to a seaport, or airport, and their homes can be bulldozed to the ground any second.

I realize that both ethnic groups have a right to exist, but the israelis have gotten the better end of the deal, if you ask me. That country would not even exist if it hadn't been for continued western support. And I am talking billions of your tax dollars here...
2008-03-05 04:26:57
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6534|eXtreme to the maX
No no don't relocate the texans.

We just have to carve some kind of borders inside Texas, put checkpoints here and there and build a wall around the new state of israel.

Let the new state of Israel grab some land and destroy some texan home if needed.. Let the new state of israel build settlements in the texas "territories" and give uzis to the settlers so they can shoot those damn texans who are running around.

And if the texans dare to resist, then let the new state of israel bomb them and threaten to kill their governor. If one Israeli is killed by an angry texan whos land was stolen , then let israel invade the texan territories and kill at least 100 of them.

After all, the new state of israel have the right to defend itself against those violent texans who do not recognize the existence of israel on their land.
Looks like we almost have a plan.

You forgot they'll need WMD to threaten the citizens of New Mexico, Arizona, Oklahoma and Louisiana who might be a bit pissed their Texan cousins have been bussed off to Mexico at gunpoint.

Excellent, all that remains is for me to climb a hill, get loaded on sheep dung and proclaim I've heard the word of god.
To convince the flock I'll just write it all down in backwards tadpole text and there need be no more argument.
Fuck Israel
2008-03-05 04:27:38
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:


Its fucking rediculous Cam!!

I am so tired of my money going to illegals and Israel I could spit!
STFU, try this....get an education, run for office, and change the laws. Whats stopping you? Your lazy white people deserve everything attitude. You see brown and assume illegal. Wake up man we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property. Same goes for the Palestinians. They could have been living side by side with the Israelis years ago but they refuse to concede anything. Tough shit. And Israel is our allies we give them shit becuase they are our friends. Palestinians could be our friends too but they choose not to. end of story.
What ? !?! The palestinians living there in '48 were pretty much fucked over by the British and the League of Nations, who in turn were lobbied into handing over that part of palestine over to the israelis, even though muslims outnumbered israelis by 5:1.

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them. Have you seen under what conditions these people live in Gaza and the West Bank ?
Those are basically concentration camps, where Israel can literally cut off water, food, medicine and power supply as they see fit.
Palestinians don't have access to a seaport, or airport, and their homes can be bulldozed to the ground any second.

I realize that both ethnic groups have a right to exist, but the israelis have gotten the better end of the deal, if you ask me. That country would not even exist if it hadn't been for continued western support. And I am talking billions of your tax dollars here...
Deny that Israel, if left alone, would not be hasseling anyone. They only seek to exist. They do not want ot take over the world, or engage in the spread Judism. If the ME would stop fucking with them, and the Palestinian govt. stop attacking them, this war would end, and Israel could emerge as a pretty strong supporter of the Palestinian people, rendering aid and assistence toward a quality of life. They just gotta stop trying to destroy Israel at ever turn.

Yes or no??
2008-03-05 04:30:02
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7238|Nårvei

That is to oversimplify lowing, you can't boil the conflict down to a single yes or no ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2008-03-05 04:34:23
c14u53w172
Member
+31|6426|tomania

B.Schuss wrote:

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them.
if they don't want to give up this fight, they're fuckin stupid and deserve to live under such conditions. what are their options?

1. destroy israel, kill or displace every israeli. this is never going to happen

2. they can accept that a big part of the territory they used to live in is gone forever and start making peace with israel and building their own state/government
2008-03-05 04:36:34
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6534|eXtreme to the maX
Deny that Israel, if left alone, would not be hasseling anyone. They only seek to exist. They do not want ot take over the world, or engage in the spread Judism. If the ME would stop fucking with them, and the Palestinian govt. stop attacking them, this war would end, and Israel could emerge as a pretty strong supporter of the Palestinian people, rendering aid and assistence toward a quality of life. They just gotta stop trying to destroy Israel at ever turn.
How do you square this theory with the endless expansionism of Israel, building more and more settlements in Palestinian territory?
Fuck Israel
2008-03-05 05:09:43
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7269|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

rawls2 wrote:


STFU, try this....get an education, run for office, and change the laws. Whats stopping you? Your lazy white people deserve everything attitude. You see brown and assume illegal. Wake up man we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property. Same goes for the Palestinians. They could have been living side by side with the Israelis years ago but they refuse to concede anything. Tough shit. And Israel is our allies we give them shit becuase they are our friends. Palestinians could be our friends too but they choose not to. end of story.
What ? !?! The palestinians living there in '48 were pretty much fucked over by the British and the League of Nations, who in turn were lobbied into handing over that part of palestine over to the israelis, even though muslims outnumbered israelis by 5:1.

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them. Have you seen under what conditions these people live in Gaza and the West Bank ?
Those are basically concentration camps, where Israel can literally cut off water, food, medicine and power supply as they see fit.
Palestinians don't have access to a seaport, or airport, and their homes can be bulldozed to the ground any second.

I realize that both ethnic groups have a right to exist, but the israelis have gotten the better end of the deal, if you ask me. That country would not even exist if it hadn't been for continued western support. And I am talking billions of your tax dollars here...
Deny that Israel, if left alone, would not be hasseling anyone. They only seek to exist. They do not want ot take over the world, or engage in the spread Judism. If the ME would stop fucking with them, and the Palestinian govt. stop attacking them, this war would end, and Israel could emerge as a pretty strong supporter of the Palestinian people, rendering aid and assistence toward a quality of life. They just gotta stop trying to destroy Israel at ever turn.

Yes or no??
A rethoric question, I suppose ?

You can't oversimply the conflict like that. The only reason the palestinians are fighting is because their land was taken away and given to the israelis by the international community. They, too, want to exist, on the land they were living on up until 1948.

If a large portion of the US were to be taken by the UN and given to an ethnic minority because they lobbied for it, would you accept that ?
2008-03-05 05:17:55
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7269|Cologne, Germany

c14u53w172 wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them.
if they don't want to give up this fight, they're fuckin stupid and deserve to live under such conditions. what are their options?

1. destroy israel, kill or displace every israeli. this is never going to happen

2. they can accept that a big part of the territory they used to live in is gone forever and start making peace with israel and building their own state/government
are you from the US ? If yes, do you remember how the US came into existence ? You fought for it. Why would anyone deny the palestinians that same right ? To fight for the land they live on ? For independence ?

Disclaimer: if you're not from the US, feel free to ignore what I just said. You might want to look into you own country's history though, and search for parallels.
2008-03-05 05:42:05
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6891|Tyne & Wear, England

rawls2 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I am so tired of my money going to illegals and Israel I could spit!
STFU, try this....get an education, run for office, and change the laws. Whats stopping you? Your lazy white people deserve everything attitude. You see brown and assume illegal. Wake up man we have been working harder at succeeding than you have so dont blame us for driving better cars and owning property.
After seeing several of your posts, I believe you are just as racist as those who "see brown and assume illegal".

Infact WTF are you talking about?  The guy never even mentioned colour, yet you seem to enjoy bringing it up whenever possible.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
2008-03-05 06:08:35
c14u53w172
Member
+31|6426|tomania

B.Schuss wrote:

c14u53w172 wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them.
if they don't want to give up this fight, they're fuckin stupid and deserve to live under such conditions. what are their options?

1. destroy israel, kill or displace every israeli. this is never going to happen

2. they can accept that a big part of the territory they used to live in is gone forever and start making peace with israel and building their own state/government
are you from the US ? If yes, do you remember how the US came into existence ? You fought for it. Why would anyone deny the palestinians that same right ? To fight for the land they live on ? For independence ?

Disclaimer: if you're not from the US, feel free to ignore what I just said. You might want to look into you own country's history though, and search for parallels.
i didn't say they do not have the right to fight or that i can't understand why they're fighting. i just said fighting and taking huge losses of human lives  is senseless because they will never achieve their goal. never. their territory is gone. forever. cope with it

edit: as you can see, i'm from tomania. my (and your ) country has never really fought for independence, because it didn't even exist until 1871. and since then, our independence has never been threatened. only by ourselves
2008-03-05 06:30:57
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7189

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

let them kill each other.  I honestly dont care.
2008-03-05 16:22:02
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:


What ? !?! The palestinians living there in '48 were pretty much fucked over by the British and the League of Nations, who in turn were lobbied into handing over that part of palestine over to the israelis, even though muslims outnumbered israelis by 5:1.

Even though I do not condone their methods, I can totally understand why no palestinian would ever want to give up the fight for the land that was taken from them. Have you seen under what conditions these people live in Gaza and the West Bank ?
Those are basically concentration camps, where Israel can literally cut off water, food, medicine and power supply as they see fit.
Palestinians don't have access to a seaport, or airport, and their homes can be bulldozed to the ground any second.

I realize that both ethnic groups have a right to exist, but the israelis have gotten the better end of the deal, if you ask me. That country would not even exist if it hadn't been for continued western support. And I am talking billions of your tax dollars here...
Deny that Israel, if left alone, would not be hasseling anyone. They only seek to exist. They do not want ot take over the world, or engage in the spread Judism. If the ME would stop fucking with them, and the Palestinian govt. stop attacking them, this war would end, and Israel could emerge as a pretty strong supporter of the Palestinian people, rendering aid and assistence toward a quality of life. They just gotta stop trying to destroy Israel at ever turn.

Yes or no??
A rethoric question, I suppose ?

You can't oversimply the conflict like that. The only reason the palestinians are fighting is because their land was taken away and given to the israelis by the international community. They, too, want to exist, on the land they were living on up until 1948.

If a large portion of the US were to be taken by the UN and given to an ethnic minority because they lobbied for it, would you accept that ?
I am sorry, I musta missed the nation of Palestine on the map....... Where exactly does PALESTINE border??

Why do you not answer the question in the paragraph? Tell me how you can defend the Arab nations for their actions now against the Jews, when they acted the same way toward the Jews BEFORE Israel existed?? Israel is yet another excuse for genocide toward the Jews nothing more nothing less. When Israel is destroyed it will be another reason to kill all the Jews, just like before. Now deny it, based on history.
2008-03-06 02:07:01
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

lowing wrote:

I am sorry, I musta missed the nation of Palestine on the map....... Where exactly does PALESTINE border??
https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7442/palestinecx2.jpg
2008-03-06 02:41:43
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7269|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

I am sorry, I musta missed the nation of Palestine on the map....... Where exactly does PALESTINE border??

Why do you not answer the question in the paragraph? Tell me how you can defend the Arab nations for their actions now against the Jews, when they acted the same way toward the Jews BEFORE Israel existed?? Israel is yet another excuse for genocide toward the Jews nothing more nothing less. When Israel is destroyed it will be another reason to kill all the Jews, just like before. Now deny it, based on history.
I am not talking about palestine as a nation. We both know that palestine was a part of the osmanic empire until they were defeated by the british in WWI. After that, the region was spilt up between the victorous nations, Great Britain taking what is today Israel, and large parts of Jordan, under their mandate.

Here is a map from 1920 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/21/Pal%C3%A4stina1920.png/250px-Pal%C3%A4stina1920.png

I am not defending any arab nation. I am merely saying that I can understand why palestinians would not want to accept the existence of the nation of israel, given the circumstances under which it came into existence, for example the Balfour Declaration.

Also, I am not condoning genocide towards any ethnic group, be it the jews or the palestinians.
It is impossible to say which group has more rights to live in that area. Historically, both have settled there. Yet, it have been the jews that have received nearly unconditional support by western nations, and it has been the palestinians that have been at the losing end of things.
Why is that, I ask you ?

Why did I not answer your question ? Because it is pointless to answer rethoric questions. Of course israel would not be hasseling anyone, if left alone. My point is, though, how anyone can expect the palestinains to "leave the israelis alone", given the conditions the palestinians live under today, and they way in which the land they settled on was taken from them to accomodate jewish lobbyists in London ?

Ironically, the palestinians are essentially living in ghettos now. It is easy for us to say that they should simply accept the fact that israel exists and move someplace else, or make peace with the israelis. But would you say the same if you had grown up in the West bank, or the Gaza strip, under those circumstances ?
All I am saying is that the palestinians have just the same right to live on that land as the jews have.

As an American, I suppose you are familiar with the concept of fighting for the right of self-governance, freedom, and independence, on the land that you settle on. It is the way America as a nation came into existence. And it wasn't exactly peaceful either.
Israel was granted that right after WWII, when they took the land they live on today by force.
Why would you deny that same right to the palestinians ?
2008-03-06 03:59:30
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am sorry, I musta missed the nation of Palestine on the map....... Where exactly does PALESTINE border??

Why do you not answer the question in the paragraph? Tell me how you can defend the Arab nations for their actions now against the Jews, when they acted the same way toward the Jews BEFORE Israel existed?? Israel is yet another excuse for genocide toward the Jews nothing more nothing less. When Israel is destroyed it will be another reason to kill all the Jews, just like before. Now deny it, based on history.
I am not talking about palestine as a nation. We both know that palestine was a part of the osmanic empire until they were defeated by the british in WWI. After that, the region was spilt up between the victorous nations, Great Britain taking what is today Israel, and large parts of Jordan, under their mandate.

Here is a map from 1920 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/d … na1920.png

I am not defending any arab nation. I am merely saying that I can understand why palestinians would not want to accept the existence of the nation of Israel, given the circumstances under which it came into existence, for example the Balfour Declaration.

Also, I am not condoning genocide towards any ethnic group, be it the Jews or the palestinians.
It is impossible to say which group has more rights to live in that area. Historically, both have settled there. Yet, it have been the Jews that have received nearly unconditional support by western nations, and it has been the palestinians that have been at the losing end of things.
Why is that, I ask you ?

Why did I not answer your question ? Because it is pointless to answer rethoric questions. Of course israel would not be hasseling anyone, if left alone. My point is, though, how anyone can expect the palestinains to "leave the israelis alone", given the conditions the palestinians live under today, and they way in which the land they settled on was taken from them to accomodate jewish lobbyists in London ?

Ironically, the palestinians are essentially living in ghettos now. It is easy for us to say that they should simply accept the fact that israel exists and move someplace else, or make peace with the israelis. But would you say the same if you had grown up in the West bank, or the Gaza strip, under those circumstances ?
All I am saying is that the palestinians have just the same right to live on that land as the jews have.

As an American, I suppose you are familiar with the concept of fighting for the right of self-governance, freedom, and independence, on the land that you settle on. It is the way America as a nation came into existence. And it wasn't exactly peaceful either.
Israel was granted that right after WWII, when they took the land they live on today by force.
Why would you deny that same right to the palestinians ?
Are the Jews not settled back on the very land they were kicked out of? The Jews have been persecuted by the everyone for all of history, like it or not they also need a place to live and settle, there is no better place for that to happen then where they were kicked out of.

IF the surrounding nations would just get over their hatred for the JEWS, I think Israel could be a strong contributor to ME growth and bring that part of the world up to at least the 20th century.

I feel it is the hatred of the JEWS that drives all of this madness and not the hatred of Israel. Like I said, and can't seem to find anyone to deny it, if and when Israel is destroyed, there still will be no peace for the Jews. Israel is used as yet another excuse to persecute the Jews, nothing more.

 

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