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Fact is often in fight it's hard to keep self control especially if the guy already hit you. You're in a state of mind in which your first goal is to beat up to death the guy or at least making him regret his past acts. Against a drunk guy, hitting his stomach is the way to go, just pay attention to not hit his liver. Hitting the jaw is very efficient too and never lethal. Not getting involve in fights is still the way to go.

B.Schuss wrote:

people resort to violence too easily these days. Rule of proportionality. If a drunk guy in a bar wants to hit you in the face, and you kill him, that'd be unproportional, unjustified violence in my book.

To me, the outcome of a violent confrontation is too difficult to predict to engage in it so cautiouslessly.
The self defense laws here in germany are designed to make people think twice before harming someone else physically. At least I think that's the intention behind it. There are almost alyways ways out of these situaitons that do not involve violence.

Well I'm 23 and I've never been in a fist fight nor struck another person with the intention of causing harm. Quite frankly when someone does attack me I would normally just grapple them and hold them down till we both cool down.

However, if I ever do get in that situation where a mugger or more than one person comes at me I will have to strike them to defend myself. What else am I supposed to do?

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

people resort to violence too easily these days. Rule of proportionality. If a drunk guy in a bar wants to hit you in the face, and you kill him, that'd be unproportional, unjustified violence in my book.

To me, the outcome of a violent confrontation is too difficult to predict to engage in it so cautiouslessly.
The self defense laws here in germany are designed to make people think twice before harming someone else physically. At least I think that's the intention behind it. There are almost alyways ways out of these situaitons that do not involve violence.

Well I'm 23 and I've never been in a fist fight nor struck another person with the intention of causing harm. Quite frankly when someone does attack me I would normally just grapple them and hold them down till we both cool down.

However, if I ever do get in that situation where a mugger or more than one person comes at me I will have to strike them to defend myself. What else am I supposed to do?

didn't say you can't defend yourself. It depends on the situation, and what the appropriate means are. Under normal circumstances, for example, one drunk guy in a crowded bar is not a threat to your life. There are people around who can help ( for example, the bouncer ), or you can simply avoid the drunk guy. Drunks are usually bad fighters.

Personally, I would probably not enter into a physical confrontation if there was someone else around who might help, or if I had a chance to escape unharmed, i.e. run away.

Violence should always be the last resort, at least in my book. With some of the comments made here, however, I have a feeling that the peaceful, non-violent resolution of a confrontation is becoming less and less popular. It seems people snap at the slightest instance.

About your example with the mugger, again, my reaction would depend on the circumstances. Is there a chance to get away ? Then I'd do that. Other people around ? Call for help. Might sound girly, but some to-be muggers will run when there is some commotion. They're not really attention whores.
If they have a gun pointed at me, raising fists sounds kinda pointless. Same would probably go if they are otherwise armed, for example knifes or the like. You gotta have some experience if you want to live through a knife fight ( especially if you're not carrying one yourself ), and I don't have that. And why would I want to risk my life for a couple of bucks and a cell phone anyway ? Priorities...

Different story when girlfriend/wife/kids are involved, of course. But even then, risking that your kids lose their father in some stupid bar fight or whatever seems kind of pointless.

I know a lot of people whose first and only reaction to any kind of confrontation will be violence, the more the better. Most of them, and it's kinda sad to say that, have little self esteem, and try to compensate that through physical domination.
I have been taught that an avoided fight is a fight won. Cause realistically, what good is it if people get hurt ? That doesn't solve anything. We are only talking personal level here, of course.

Enzzenmachine wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

[ And why would I want to risk my life for a couple of bucks and a cell phone anyway ? Priorities...

Pride.

I'm guessing you've never been mugged.

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SenorToenails wrote:

Enzzenmachine wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

[ And why would I want to risk my life for a couple of bucks and a cell phone anyway ? Priorities...

Pride.

You would die over a cell phone and a couple dollars?  That's pretty pathetic.

A lot of time they shoot you even if you give them what they want or not.

SenorToenails wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

A lot of time they shoot you even if you give them what they want or not.

Do you have any proof of that?  Or did you just make that up?

Why are you arguing about something you know is true? Do you never watch tv or go on youtube?

Of course if we're talking percentages I'm sure you have a higher survival rate if you give them what they want.

I myself am not very trusting of a person who would rob me at gun or knife point.

Jibbles wrote:

Could be worse.

LMAO thx I needed taht

I really think it depends on the situation. If you're confronted by an armed mugger with  a gun, knife, or related weapons that could kill you instantly, I see little use in raising your fists. Unless of course, you think that the guy is not prepared to follow through, i.e. actually kill you if you don't follow suit.

But who has enough experience to make that decision with sufficient confidence ?

Pride is fine and well, but you're not fighting the Nazis or something. There is no bigger picture involved here. If you die defending your wallet, you'll only end up dead, and the world won't give a damn. It's just your life that's on the line here, not freedom of all mankind.

Bar fights or related confrontations are a different story, of course, but from my point of view, most of these situations provide even less reason for physical violence than the mugger scenario.

Enzzenmachine wrote:

very often they will do it with a knife (and they don't even know how to use it properly)

could you run down the list of "proper" ways to use a knife.......just so i know in the future.

Enzzenmachine wrote:

Parker wrote:

Enzzenmachine wrote:

very often they will do it with a knife (and they don't even know how to use it properly)

could you run down the list of "proper" ways to use a knife.......just so i know in the future.

nope cause I don't use them (don't have any actually) but I can make the difference (like everyone can, nothing special tbh) between people skilled at it and unskilled at it.
If you prefer, muggers don't know how to use them in a smart way, or with skilled..., finally they just use them in order to get people scared, none can deny it. Someone trained to knives fighting will be very hard to disarm without getting injured but have you already seen a mugger or delinquent skilled at knives fighting, personally no, though I knew alot of people like that. You can't deny that.
Don't go all on me, you know it's true. I challenge you to prove that I said people had to play hero in those case. I just said I know people in real life who would for different reasons (high opinion of themselves, pride, confident or just crazy), I never said I'd play the hero? nor said that I could easily disarmed someone threating me with knives though I learned many ways to do it. I never got involved in fight against someone threating me with a knife hence I dunno what I'd do exactly in this case.. did I say otherwise?

A. a "knife fight" requires two people to have a knife....if not, its just someone stabbing someone else.
B. being skilled with knives while mugging someone requires the ability to slash/stab someone....so, ya sure, i have seen muggers with skills like that.
C. i just wanted to know what the "proper" way you thought people should use knives....i could give a fuck less about your honor or pride, or whatever the hell you are talking about. i was just interested for personal reasons.




and hey, just for shits and grins, how did you learn do disarm people with knives?

The only real skill I can see in a knife fight in knowing where to stab someone. As soon as you get close to someone enough to stab them they can stab you. And if you stab them in the stomach they still have enough strength to stab you back. Maybe in the "sweet spot" taking you down in seconds.


This opinion is based on logic and TV, I am not a pro knife fighter...

The only way i enter a fight is if;
1. a mate is getting ganged up upon
2. a girl on girl fight,and one of those were my mates, most guys might think this is fun to watch, but id pull me mate away
3. someone took a jibe at my family or friends... id get a bit pissed but not sure what id do


even if they started to attack me, i still wouldnt resort to it, mainly coz i know defense.. ex-judo black belt
or id just walk away, especially if it was for something totally stupid, like if i called someone a dick or something.

ahh well just my opinion
if you like fighting go for it