lowing
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It appears it is the medias fault for all of the "misunderstandings" surrounding Islam. Ya see, I was under the impression it was all of the intolerance and violence that surrounds Islam. Ya know like cutting off the head of your 15 month old in front of the family. Or stoning your wife for looking at another person.

  Alas, the problem is the MEDIA not reporting such events in a correct and positive light apparently.


Damn media
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lowing wrote:

http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/03/04/religion/dpt-bennett03042008.txt

It appears it is the medias fault for all of the "misunderstandings" surrounding Islam. Ya see, I was under the impression it was all of the intolerance and violence that surrounds Islam. Ya know like cutting off the head of your 15 month old in front of the family. Or stoning your wife for looking at another person.

  Alas, the problem is the MEDIA not reporting such events in a correct and positive light apparently.


Damn media
lol no shit hehe

we all got it wrong I suppose...
lowing
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TC.Troy wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/03/04/religion/dpt-bennett03042008.txt

It appears it is the medias fault for all of the "misunderstandings" surrounding Islam. Ya see, I was under the impression it was all of the intolerance and violence that surrounds Islam. Ya know like cutting off the head of your 15 month old in front of the family. Or stoning your wife for looking at another person.

  Alas, the problem is the MEDIA not reporting such events in a correct and positive light apparently.


Damn media
lol no shit hehe

we all got it wrong I suppose...
Yeah I guess I gotta do a better job at reading between the lines.
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Lack of knowledge often causes misunderstandings.

If all you hear through media is that Islam is pure violence that will shape your believes and then you base your believes on a one sided presentation.

With the media coverage we have today it is always important to question the content of such reports and seek knowledge about it outside the populistic media to get the full picture.
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lowing
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Varegg wrote:

Lack of knowledge often causes misunderstandings.

If all you hear through media is that Islam is pure violence that will shape your believes and then you base your believes on a one sided presentation.

With the media coverage we have today it is always important to question the content of such reports and seek knowledge about it outside the populistic media to get the full picture.
Ok, so help me "understand" the beheading of a 15 month old baby or the stoning of women for looking at another person.

The media coverage today puts these events right where they need to be, there is no bias. It is the way this religion operates that is news. When a preachers wife shot him dead, it was reported just as such.

There is just a lot more Islam news than Christian ones. This is because Islamic behavior is news worthy.
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Lack of knowledge often causes misunderstandings.

If all you hear through media is that Islam is pure violence that will shape your believes and then you base your believes on a one sided presentation.

With the media coverage we have today it is always important to question the content of such reports and seek knowledge about it outside the populistic media to get the full picture.
Ok, so help me "understand" the beheading of a 15 month old baby or the stoning of women for looking at another person.

The media coverage today puts these events right where they need to be, there is no bias. It is the way this religion operates that is news. When a preachers wife shot him dead, it was reported just as such.

There is just a lot more Islam news than Christian ones. This is because Islamic behavior is news worthy.
I'm not saying a beheading of a 15 month old kid shouldn't be reported on, i'm saying that when you never hear anything else through media than the horrible incidents you form a biased opinion that there is nothing but just such incidents.

The other thing is we as Christians don't want to hear about Chrstians killing eachother, we want news about the "barbaric evil" Muslims
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lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Lack of knowledge often causes misunderstandings.

If all you hear through media is that Islam is pure violence that will shape your believes and then you base your believes on a one sided presentation.

With the media coverage we have today it is always important to question the content of such reports and seek knowledge about it outside the populistic media to get the full picture.
Ok, so help me "understand" the beheading of a 15 month old baby or the stoning of women for looking at another person.

The media coverage today puts these events right where they need to be, there is no bias. It is the way this religion operates that is news. When a preachers wife shot him dead, it was reported just as such.

There is just a lot more Islam news than Christian ones. This is because Islamic behavior is news worthy.
I'm not saying a beheading of a 15 month old kid shouldn't be reported on, i'm saying that when you never hear anything else through media than the horrible incidents you form a biased opinion that there is nothing but just such incidents.

The other thing is we as Christians don't want to hear about Chrstians killing eachother, we want news about the "barbaric evil" Muslims
Not true, Christian abortion clinic bombings get there due headlines. The problem is Christians just aren't doing anyhthing news wqorthy in the name of Christianity quite like their Islamic counterparts.
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Maybe because we are loosing our religion in the west as opposed to our eastern counterparts ... we are not even close to the religious pressure of the ME where several religions lives on top of eachother ...
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lowing wrote:

http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/03/04/religion/dpt-bennett03042008.txt

It appears it is the medias fault for all of the "misunderstandings" surrounding Islam. Ya see, I was under the impression it was all of the intolerance and violence that surrounds Islam. Ya know like cutting off the head of your 15 month old in front of the family. Or stoning your wife for looking at another person.

  Alas, the problem is the MEDIA not reporting such events in a correct and positive light apparently.


Damn media
If only more people could think...
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lowing
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Varegg wrote:

Maybe because we are loosing our religion in the west as opposed to our eastern counterparts ... we are not even close to the religious pressure of the ME where several religions lives on top of eachother ...
...........We are not even close to the religious pressure, intolerance OR violence of that in the ME. Hence your headlines.
The problem is, the reasons for these actions. Contradictions grabs headlines. We are always on the look out for someone tripping up or putting their foot in their mouths. Islam is a prime example of this. It is supposed to be this self proclaimed tolerant peace loving religion and everything about it contradicts this.

Abu Grab is another example. This was a relatively small isolated incident compare to the whole war, involving 5 or 6 people out of 300,000. Yet the contradiction of what the US says it stands for, as apposed to this this event made this headline news for years and set back US efforts even longer.
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I think it's great you've finally come to see how wrong you were all that time, Lowing.
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LaidBackNinja wrote:

I think it's great you've finally come to see how wrong you were all that time, Lowing.
That is the essential point of any debate, to share different views and make conclusions we all can live with
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lowing
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LaidBackNinja wrote:

I think it's great you've finally come to see how wrong you were all that time, Lowing.
LOL, I am wrong?? how so.

I still maintain that the reporting of the actions of people, ESPECIALLY in the name of their religion is fair, and well deserved.
lowing
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/08/chi … index.html

another example, if this were done in the name of God or Christianity, it would have madse world wide headlines.

Butr this bullshit how, 'I am gunna kill you for saying I am violent' is aburd enough to make headlines. And with Islam it is constant.
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When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.

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DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
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Varegg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
Interpretation is everything. Do not take the words of a 2000 year old book literal. It's called progress. The religious culture of Islam is stuck in a rut, despite having a 4000 year old head start. This is not to say that there are not looney Christians as well. But the rantings from the religious extreme are not proportional.
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Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
Interpretation is everything. Do not take the words of a 2000 year old book literal. It's called progress. The religious culture of Islam is stuck in a rut, despite having a 4000 year old head start. This is not to say that there are not looney Christians as well. But the rantings from the religious extreme are not proportional.
Exactly don't blame the fairy tales books, don't blame the Religions, blame the interpretation.  If Muslims take the Qu'ran for granted and literally, then they are deluded.  The same goes for any Christian doing so with the Bible.
lowing
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DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
The headline comes when an Muslim does it BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. Like I said a Christian abortion clinic bomber gets his due headlines as well.

Varegg is correct, I maintain the old testament is not the teachings of Christ, and not relevant to Christians except for creationism
lowing
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
Interpretation is everything. Do not take the words of a 2000 year old book literal. It's called progress. The religious culture of Islam is stuck in a rut, despite having a 4000 year old head start. This is not to say that there are not looney Christians as well. But the rantings from the religious extreme are not proportional.
Exactly don't blame the fairy tales books, don't blame the Religions, blame the interpretation.  If Muslims take the Qu'ran for granted and literally, then they are deluded.  The same goes for any Christian doing so with the Bible.
......and both are news worthy when it happens, Islam just sees a shit load more of it.
Kmar
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:


The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
Interpretation is everything. Do not take the words of a 2000 year old book literal. It's called progress. The religious culture of Islam is stuck in a rut, despite having a 4000 year old head start. This is not to say that there are not looney Christians as well. But the rantings from the religious extreme are not proportional.
Exactly don't blame the fairy tales books, don't blame the Religions, blame the interpretation.  If Muslims take the Qu'ran for granted and literally, then they are deluded.  The same goes for any Christian doing so with the Bible.
I blame the religious leaders. They are manipulating the desperate and uneducated when they preach the word of intolerance.
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I'm not seeing that guy as a smart dude.

"6 of 10 Americans don't understand the basic tenets of Islam".

Well, news guy, here's a flash for you - most of the public doesn't care.

Second, news guy, here's a flash for  you - maybe you should cover positive stories as well as you do the negative ones.

And third, news guy, your job is to give the public what it wants.  So yes, the public isn't as interested in stories about puppy dogs and rainbows, so you are in a Catch-22 really.

I love journalists talking about their role in shaping the world, when in fact, they are merely giving the public what it wants.

The reason why there are more negative stories than positive ones is because human nature - people want to know what is wrong with the world so they can figure out how to fix it.  Problem is, many people don't want to fix anything - those people should get the puppy dog and rainbow treatment.

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geNius wrote:

If only more people could think...
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DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
Actually, I don't hear people raping children or murder in the name of Christianity. Where do you get that? In a very few modern day cases, some crazy woman or man may have killed because God told them to but there is a difference. We see almost on a daily basis where people are being killed in the name of Islam. People are being beheaded, honor killings, stonings and even radical clerics calling for murder of cartoonist all in the name of Islam.

My wife is a Muslim and of course I know the difference between radical and secular so don't try to call me biased or anti-Islamic....far from it. Now according to you, you can pick out passages in both the bible and the Quran that talk about stoning or killing, yes that is true. But, don't forget how Islam was created and where most of its writings and teachings were based upon. Do a little history lesson. Also, there is a huge difference between how MODERN day Christians interpret the bible and how MODERN day RADICAL Muslims interpret the Quran.

You do not have Christian teachers teaching outdated, barbaric parts of the old testament, there are certain portions of the bible that modern Christians understand is wrong and Christians have progressed from that. They do not teach stoning, etc.. The difference is that there are many places where the word of Islam is followed to the letter even after thousands of years of modern progress. They have NOT progressed from the old writings and will kill in the name of Islam or follow what the local Cleric has interpreted for them. Christianity has grown up, Catholicism has grown up, but Islam hasn't grow up. Are there some extreme Christians....sure....the inbred church that pickets soldiers funerals is a rare example.

In the whole area where I live, I don't know of any Christian churches who have or would teach the more outdated or barbaric parts of the bible. an extreme Christian church is rare, very rare and usually anyone that may have killed in the name of God was probably not in his right mind anyway. On the other hand, Islam extremism is being taught in many, many places around the ME. The Quran is taken literally for the most part and yes, there are many people dying in the name of Islam. Islam needs to grow up or I should say, radical Islam needs to be stamped out and secular Muslims like my wife will and do live in peace and would never subscribe to radical beliefs. She understands that the Quran does not have to be taken as the literal word. She is a Muslim who has grown up.

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Varegg
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Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

When a Christian person, rapes children or murders people its the 'sick' Persons fault, because they are fucked in the head. But when a Muslim does something or kills someone it's Islam's fault, because it's the evil religion of crazy lunatics.

If you want to quote the Qur'an, I can just as easily quote the Bible where it says to kill, 'stone' people in the name of god.
The old testament doesn't count according to lowing ...
Interpretation is everything. Do not take the words of a 2000 year old book literal. It's called progress. The religious culture of Islam is stuck in a rut, despite having a 4000 year old head start. This is not to say that there are not looney Christians as well. But the rantings from the religious extreme are not proportional.
Could be that the need for religion is lesser in the western parts of the world and more transparent ?
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