Sorcerer0513
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+18|6969|Outer Space
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon
no.

when russia has their hands in something, its usually to benefit them.
fuck em.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

mmyeah. I'm going to say stay out of this one..lol.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

I'm sure Russia is willing to accept them with open arms into a "Union" of sorts...
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Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6969|Outer Space

Parker wrote:

no.

when russia has their hands in something, its usually to benefit them.
fuck em.
All nice and well, but don't the people there have the right to self-determination?
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Parker wrote:

no.

when russia has their hands in something, its usually to benefit them.
fuck em.
All nice and well, but don't the people there have the right to self-determination?
sure, but thats not the point.
russia doesnt give half a fuck about those people......so their rights are all nice and well, but what will be the repercussions?
we are balancing on the next world war, russia fucking around with other countries does NOT inspire confidence.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England
It really doesn't concern me. Also if these regions are of little economic importance to Georgia they should just let it go instead of fight for something that will just make the country worse.

I'd choose economic prosperity over "pride" because when you're richer in the future you'll look back and laugh at those silly provinces that broke away and are now probably worse off.
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6969|Outer Space

Parker wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

All nice and well, but don't the people there have the right to self-determination?
sure, but thats not the point.
russia doesnt give half a fuck about those people......so their rights are all nice and well, but what will be the repercussions?
we are balancing on the next world war, russia fucking around with other countries does NOT inspire confidence.
Well, who cares if Russia is just using them towards their own ends. If the people of those two regions want independence, why shouldn't they use Russia to achieve their own goals?

And this says they defeated the Georgian military, so they're basically independent, just no one recognises them? Seems pretty similar to Kosovo(including a bit of ethnic cleaning), TBH, so I don't know why the double standards here...
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6389|Washington DC

Mek-Izzle wrote:

It really doesn't concern me. Also if these regions are of little economic importance to Georgia they should just let it go instead of fight for something that will just make the country worse.

I'd choose economic prosperity over "pride" because when you're richer in the future you'll look back and laugh at those silly provinces that broke away and are now probably worse off.
That would make too much sense, Mek.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Parker wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

All nice and well, but don't the people there have the right to self-determination?
sure, but thats not the point.
russia doesnt give half a fuck about those people......so their rights are all nice and well, but what will be the repercussions?
we are balancing on the next world war, russia fucking around with other countries does NOT inspire confidence.
Well, who cares if Russia is just using them towards their own ends. If the people of those two regions want independence, why shouldn't they use Russia to achieve their own goals?

And this says they defeated the Georgian military, so they're basically independent, just no one recognises them? Seems pretty similar to Kosovo(including a bit of ethnic cleaning), TBH, so I don't know why the double standards here...
where have i applied double standards?

and i care if russia is using them....remember that 50 year war, with all the nukes and that fun stuff?
i do.
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6969|Outer Space

Parker wrote:

where have i applied double standards?

and i care if russia is using them....remember that 50 year war, with all the nukes and that fun stuff?
i do.
Not you, the West, silly!
jord
Member
+2,382|7105|The North, beyond the wall.

Mek-Izzle wrote:

It really doesn't concern me. Also if these regions are of little economic importance to Georgia they should just let it go instead of fight for something that will just make the country worse.

I'd choose economic prosperity over "pride" because when you're richer in the future you'll look back and laugh at those silly provinces that broke away and are now probably worse off.
"Pride or death"- Jord-2008
TC.Troy
Let the rough side drag
+111|7001
Abkhazia??  omg lol

Kosovo, I can sorta ( and I do mean sorta) understand.  That place has been a hell hole of racial/ethnic hatred and loathing since before the first world war.  If Kosovo being independant will/may calm that down a tad..so be it.

But...Abkhazia??

The next thing you know, you'll find 50 fairly wealthy home/landowners somewhere in (insert country of choice here) and want to call themselves "New McMansionania"...

This is funny tbh.

If this keeps up, Russia will simply re-absorb all these little tit-for-tat semi nations, and what will the UN do?  What will the EU do?
They will throw paperwork and curses across the meeting halls, file resolutions, and generally act like overpaid children.  And to what end?
Nobody will bother the Russians over these little places.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Parker wrote:

where have i applied double standards?

and i care if russia is using them....remember that 50 year war, with all the nukes and that fun stuff?
i do.
Not you, the West, silly!
are you debating with me, or the west?
just to let you know, im not the west....im a hoosier from missouri that remembers what the russians are capable of.
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6969|Outer Space

Parker wrote:

are you debating with me, or the west?
just to let you know, im not the west....im a hoosier from missouri that remembers what the russians are capable of.
Well, the first part was for you. The rest was relating to the topic at hand. Seems that some countries were perfectly happy to recognise Kosovo, and do not want to recognise these two. Hence, the double standards comment.

Or do you want me to debate with you exclusively? That can be arranged, but I have to go to the shop first, so...
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Parker wrote:

are you debating with me, or the west?
just to let you know, im not the west....im a hoosier from missouri that remembers what the russians are capable of.
Well, the first part was for you. The rest was relating to the topic at hand. Seems that some countries were perfectly happy to recognise Kosovo, and do not want to recognise these two. Hence, the double standards comment.

Or do you want me to debate with you exclusively? That can be arranged, but I have to go to the shop first, so...
go for it, but i can already tell you arent going to change my mind.
email ur reply asap
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7150|Eastern PA

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7283192.stm

Should they be recognised?
Since it went oh-so-well last time I'm go with no.

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