BF2S Forums It's Official, The rEVOLution ends

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

did anybody really honestly expect that lunatic to go as far as he did?

Even the Thighmaster is still being sold. (People will buy anything)

any person running for pres is far braver than I, a lot on their shoulders

Phrozenbot wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

He voted to go after Osama, not for nation building.

I find it extremely odd how you are aware about our enormous debt and entitlements yet you think very little of the candidate who wants to address it.

Anyways, I wouldn't want to be the next president. Oh you just wait.

Every candidates claims to want to "address" the economy. The ones who have segregated themselves entirely from the system have little chance to "address"/change anything. A concept you don't get.

Does he keep his Nazi donor base?

At least Ron Paul has some understanding of economics and monetary policy. His views are Austrian, which favor a strong monetary policy such as a hard currency or paper money backed by some precious metal. The Keynesian and Monetarist view favor the fiat system which will eventually fail, always. I guess you still buy the bologna that the CPI is at 4%. Have you seen oil priced in gold? It is flat and stable, unlike the dollar, which has tripled in the past three years.

The fiat system pleases the bankers and the politicians aspirations to keep spending, with no discipline, and David Walker will go unheard with the current fiat system until all hell breaks loose. I don't think you get the concept that the system is flawed, and will lead to our ruin.

And as for that white supremacist, I've already heard about it. He said he probably spent his money and would think it was immoral to give someone else's donation back to him.

But anyways, sad day. The next president will have to deal with a eager and hungry bear that's been waiting to wake. A little "change" or "sunshine" will definitely do the trick.

edits: bleh

My problem isn't with his monetary policy.

And as for that white supremacist, I've already heard about it. He said he probably spent his money and would think it was immoral to give someone else's donation back to him.

He is a Politician for crying out loud. Refusing to accept money from hate groups would have sent a message louder than $500. Isn't that completely obvious to you?

Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Every candidates claims to want to "address" the economy. The ones who have segregated themselves entirely from the system have little chance to "address"/change anything. A concept you don't get.

Does he keep his Nazi donor base?

At least Ron Paul has some understanding of economics and monetary policy. His views are Austrian, which favor a strong monetary policy such as a hard currency or paper money backed by some precious metal. The Keynesian and Monetarist view favor the fiat system which will eventually fail, always. I guess you still buy the bologna that the CPI is at 4%. Have you seen oil priced in gold? It is flat and stable, unlike the dollar, which has tripled in the past three years.

The fiat system pleases the bankers and the politicians aspirations to keep spending, with no discipline, and David Walker will go unheard with the current fiat system until all hell breaks loose. I don't think you get the concept that the system is flawed, and will lead to our ruin.

And as for that white supremacist, I've already heard about it. He said he probably spent his money and would think it was immoral to give someone else's donation back to him.

But anyways, sad day. The next president will have to deal with a eager and hungry bear that's been waiting to wake. A little "change" or "sunshine" will definitely do the trick.

edits: bleh

My problem isn't with his monetary policy.

And as for that white supremacist, I've already heard about it. He said he probably spent his money and would think it was immoral to give someone else's donation back to him.

He is a Politician for crying out loud. Refusing to accept money from hate groups would have sent a message louder than $500. Isn't that completely obvious to you?

We'll he can't filter everything he takes it, although he later found out. I agree it would have been a good idea to return the money but Ron Paul isn't a white supremacists so what is the big deal? If that donor supports the idea of liberty, small government, and fiscal conservative policy, why not accept his money? Maybe if it was hitler.

At least he doesn't take money from Wall Street fat cats like Obama does. Link.

So if your problem isn't with his monetary policy, what is then?

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I really can't tell Kmarion. You were very bullish on the economy a while back, and the lack of sympathy towards Ron Paul's stance gave me a different impression. You've had your fun making fun of him, or maybe his supporters, but sorry for the assumption.

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Kmarion wrote:

I'd rather someone take money from a "fat cat" than a group that drags people behind a pickup truck. I'm a moderate conservative Phrozenbot, I do infact believe in some of RP's ideas. But he lacks the real ability to move the country in the direction of smaller government and tighter spending. Change will need to come about in small doses. It's just reality.

I kid with his supporters because they are overbearing. They make miscalculations and presumptions about people who question a certain aspect of a discussion. That doesn't mean that there aren't other valid points.

Dude, the guy is a nobody. His money made little difference, and like Ron Paul said he probably already spent it before he knew about it and giving someone else's donation back to him was immoral. I know, I think he should have forked over some of his own money but it is not that big of a deal. If that guy go commits a hate crime he'll go to jail anyways. You are free to not like anyone you want, as long as you keep it to yourself. Seriously I don't have respect for the guy, but that guy donated because he shared paleoconservative ideals apparently. I'll over look that for Ron Paul's ability to deal with our economic issues the best, and I'm not white.

Funny how congress had the attitude not to bail out a bunch of criminals in Wall Street but now we have the bail out the banking sector while they get eaten alive by derivatives.

Anyways, RP has said this change can't happen overnight and we will have to endure some tough times ahead. Mike Huckabee wanted to abolish the IRS as well but wanted to implement the Fair Tax first. If passed, the IRS may have stuck around and then your purpose is defeated and made a huge U-turn. But change is needed now, and no matter how much Obama or Hilary can say change, they have no solution to the real underpinnings of our problem. McCain doesn't have a clue either.

Kmarion, maybe RP supporters don't like the fact RP haters pull out stupid ass rhetoric for their arguments other than just to hate on RP? And I know, I've seen a number of members here who make me embarrassed I support Ron Paul, and that is why you have not seen me back them up.

Last edited by Phrozenbot (2008-03-07 08:16:28)

Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Dude, the guy is a nobody. His money made little difference, and like Ron Paul said he probably already spent it before he knew about it and giving someone else's donation back to him was immoral. I know, I think he should have forked over some of his own money but it is not that big of a deal. If that guy go commits a hate crime he'll go to jail anyways. You are free to not like anyone you want, as long as you keep it to yourself. Seriously I don't have respect for the guy, but that guy donated because he shared paleoconservative ideals apparently. I'll over look that for Ron Paul's ability to deal with our economic issues the best, and I'm not white.

He had an incredible opportunity to make a statement there. He dropped the ball and settled for the status quo. Not exactly leadership qualities. What about David Duke? Is he a nobody?

Phrozenbot wrote:

Funny how congress had the attitude not to bail out a bunch of criminals in Wall Street but now we have the bail out the banking sector while they get eaten alive by derivatives.

Are you just making random points now? I agree. I didn't agree with the airline bailout also.

Phrozenbot wrote:

Anyways, RP has said this change can't happen overnight and we will have to endure some tough times ahead. Mike Huckabee wanted to abolish the IRS as well but wanted to implement the Fair Tax first. If passed, the IRS may have stuck around and then your purpose is defeated and made a huge U-turn. But change is needed now, and no matter how much Obama or Hilary can say change, they have no solution to the real underpinnings of our problem. McCain doesn't have a clue either.

You can't pretend to be the prophet of change when everyone in Washington has already distanced them self from you. It takes cooperation to move a country.

Phrozenbot wrote:

Kmarion, maybe RP supporters don't like the fact RP haters pull out stupid ass rhetoric for their arguments other than just to hate on RP?

Maybe RP supporters should take a breather and come to grips with the idea that they were Ron Paul's worst enemy when it came to his image and popular opinion.

Talk about a turn off:

There goes the David Duke argument again. Does David Duke really influence you that much Kmarion not to vote for someone? He is a nobody to me. I couldn't give a flying duck about the guy.

You're right, Ron Paul needs cooperation from congress to get what he wants done. But RP hasn't distanced himself from congress, he just doesn't choose to be dishonest and spineless like most of those clowns on capital hill. However when this mess starts to really unfold, Ron Paul will be blameless, unlike most of them.

And that point about wall street wasn't random, it was more towards Obama and how we can overlook criminal activity and greed in the banking sector when there is a threat they may all get destroyed by derivatives. Wall Street needs to learn that when they screw up, they need to man up to their loses, even it means bankruptcy. They can make all sorts of malinvestments and it is ok because the Fed will just bail them out with lower interest rates and screw the average American over by stealing their wealth through inflation, and they never learn to be careful. They don't call it an inflationary tax for nothing in Austrian economics.

And yea, I saw that video before. A shame really, but are you generalizing all RP supporters by saying they all go around like that on the streets? Because I don't think that is true. Maybe you have some personal experiences to share?

ole ron should start a cult after that speech.  oh wait  you have to have some charisma to do that!  I dont know how anyone can listen to that guy even if they do agree with him.

Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

There goes the David Duke argument again. Does David Duke really influence you that much Kmarion not to vote for someone? He is a nobody to me. I couldn't give a flying duck about the guy.

That was a direct response to your "He is a nobody" remark. Apparently stature matters to you. It was your choice to invoke this. You are very selective in your reasoning.

You're right, Ron Paul needs cooperation from congress to get what he wants done. But RP hasn't distanced himself from congress, he just doesn't choose to be dishonest and spineless like most of those clowns on capital hill. However when this mess starts to really unfold, Ron Paul will be blameless, unlike most of them.

Of course he has distanced himself. He party jumps.

And that point about wall street wasn't random, it was more towards Obama and how we can overlook criminal activity and greed in the banking sector when there is a threat they may all get destroyed by derivatives. Wall Street needs to learn that when they screw up, they need to man up to their loses, even it means bankruptcy. They can make all sorts of malinvestments and it is ok because the Fed will just bail them out with lower interest rates and screw the average American over by stealing their wealth through inflation, and they never learn to be careful. They don't call it an inflationary tax for nothing in Austrian economics.

You have some criminal evidence to share with us from credible sources?

Phrozenbot wrote:

And yea, I saw that video before. A shame really, but are you generalizing all RP supporters by saying they all go around like that on the streets? Because I don't think that is true. Maybe you have some personal experiences to share?

It was an illustration. I have seen plenty of paranoid, naive, and overbearing responses from the Ron Paul camp (some within this very thread). I am not alone in this.

I already admitted that I don't think what Ron Paul did was the best thing to do. Let's put this to rest shall we?

Yes he ran on the Libertarian ticket before, but he has explained how running for president on a different party or as independent would be unfair for him because of the way the two party system is structured. The Republican party use to share libertarian values anyways.

http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-02-26-2.html (3/4ths into the video with Axel Merk speaking, but you should watch it all)
http://www.kereport.com/audio/0223-05.mp3
http://www.kereport.com/audio/0223-06.mp3
http://www.webeatthestreet.com/index.php?id=270
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … er=finance

I'll let you know I've done my own research and form my opinion from plenty of different sources. Have you seen the DOWJ lately? Or the dollar index? Ever heard of the Kondratieff Wave Theory? Here, educate yourself.

I just question the established thinking that everything is just peachy and this is just a bump in the road from the Keynesians and Monetarists. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. I do honestly think a depression is ahead of us, or at least a very good chance of it, with also the possibility of something worse. However, if that does not come to pass, then I can sleep at night knowing my money isn't being robbed through inflation. Either way, I'm laughing myself all the way down to the bank.

Last edited by Phrozenbot (2008-03-07 09:53:42)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I really hate ron paul.  he brought the idiot out of so many people

Kmarion wrote:

I swear it's like talking to one of those automated phone solicitations. No matter what I say I get the same message. I know the economy is in trouble .

I'm starting to think this "rEVOLution" will only end with a couple gallons of Kool-Aide and the ATF kicking down the door. Yet if your not a RP fanatic you are the supposed drone.

I was distinguishing myself from the "camp of sheep" by showing you where I was coming from. I'm sorry if I repeat myself so often.

Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I swear it's like talking to one of those automated phone solicitations. No matter what I say I get the same message. I know the economy is in trouble .

I'm starting to think this "rEVOLution" will only end with a couple gallons of Kool-Aide and the ATF kicking down the door. Yet if your not a RP fanatic you are the supposed drone.

I was distinguishing myself from the "camp of sheep" by showing you where I was coming from. I'm sorry if I repeat myself so often.

Surely you can understand my confusion when I tell you I agree with you on the economy and you tell me to go educate myself?

Because you point out the naiveness or craziness of Ron Paul supporters, or at least a large number of them, and I have the impression I'm included in that bunch of Ron Paul supporters you are so critical of. I know you believe the economy is certainly not good, but you don't see it nearly as bad as I do so I wonder if you think I'm just some nut. But w/e, it doesn't even matter.

No I'm not. This is all I need.

usmarine wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I don't re-define words to fit my candidate. It was intervention, whether it was justified or not. Capiche?

capish

I thought it was spelt Kapeesh

Kmarion wrote:

Let me give you an example of my leanings economic wise. Are you familiar with the book on my desk?

http://i32.tinypic.com/1zwjmlh.png

It's very libertarian of me isn't it .

It's from here that Kmarion shall rule the world!

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-03-07 13:57:39)