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2008-03-07 20:03:11
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

Spearhead wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Skuze me sir, but sending your kid to waste 7 hours a day for his entire childhood in school, being forced to learn what the school thinks is important, is not exposing them to the world. I wake up every morning with the ability to spend my time how i please, and from that freedom i've gained much maturity and a full grasp on what the world is about. I went to school untill the end of 7th grade, when i left, like i said, i learned how to think for myself. Put me up against someone who goes to public school in a general knowledge quiz and i garentee ill pwn them, and i havent done a single worksheet in 3 years.
Well thats why you dont know a clue about public schools.

If you were so fucking smart you could've been in college at age 15.

Also, no offense here, but you seem to not have a clue.  Public schools = waste of time?  Okay....

BTW I go to high school and I admit most of what I'm doing is bullshit.  But it doesn't matter.  Staying home and isolating yourself is not the way to deal with the problem..
I dont isolate myself. Maybe going to school for 12 years of your life is the isolation?. Infact i know it is, im free to do as i please every day of my life. Yet people go to school as if its a jail sentance. Truely the public schoolers are the isolated.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2008-03-07 20:06:10
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6873|The Land of Scott Walker
Invitation by top colleges > social life tbh
2008-03-07 20:08:09
Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6949
Some of the most important things I have learned in life were outside a classroom

Moral of the story: Just because you're not surrounded by equally ignorant people your own age does not mean you can't learn

As a product of 12 years of public schooling and another 4 of undergraduate study, I've had a front seat to our educational collapse. I'm just lucky enough to get out before it completely fell out from under me.

California needs to do a better job of teaching who they already have, funding the schools that they are already overcrowding, then worry about everyone else.

In that order too.
2008-03-07 20:08:33
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

Mitch wrote:

I dont isolate myself. Maybe going to school for 12 years of your life is the isolation?. Infact i know it is, im free to do as i please every day of my life. Yet people go to school as if its a jail sentance. Truely the public schoolers are the isolated.
Like anything in life, you get returns based on how much you put into it.  I was far from isolated in my public school, and in fact, if you want to, you can actually be challenged.  It just requires effort and a willingness to do it.  Maybe that was something you lacked, Mitch.
2008-03-07 20:09:40
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS
Sounds like many of you guys went to truly horrible schools.

Or have never been to school.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-03-07 20:11:37
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS

Stingray24 wrote:

Invitation by top colleges > social life tbh
I would agree completely. You'll get a social life in uni, I'm watching it happen.

I dont isolate myself. Maybe going to school for 12 years of your life is the isolation?. Infact i know it is, im free to do as i please every day of my life. Yet people go to school as if its a jail sentance. Truely the public schoolers are the isolated.
Well, how many people do you know? Ask? Talk to?

People don't go to school because they're forced to (you won't believe how easy it is to miss weeks upon weeks of school if you feel like it). It's because they want to get ahead in life.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-03-07 20:15:44
Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6949
The Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services intervened after the couple's eldest child "reported physical and emotional mistreatment" by the father, court papers said. The department conducted an investigation and found that despite the couple's assertion that their children were enrolled at Sunland, they were educated at home by their mother, who does not have a teaching credential.
So this stemmed from a domestic abuse call? How is that at all connected education?

No where is it stated that they tested below their respective educational level. Hell, I'm sure the children were not tested at all, just assumed to be complete mental vegetables.

Basically, Child Services freaked out over, I'm sure, will be a non-issue.
2008-03-07 20:18:15
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7199|PNW

Mitch wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Skuze me sir, but sending your kid to waste 7 hours a day for his entire childhood in school, being forced to learn what the school thinks is important, is not exposing them to the world. I wake up every morning with the ability to spend my time how i please, and from that freedom i've gained much maturity and a full grasp on what the world is about. I went to school untill the end of 7th grade, when i left, like i said, i learned how to think for myself. Put me up against someone who goes to public school in a general knowledge quiz and i garentee ill pwn them, and i havent done a single worksheet in 3 years.
Well thats why you dont know a clue about public schools.

If you were so fucking smart you could've been in college at age 15.

Also, no offense here, but you seem to not have a clue.  Public schools = waste of time?  Okay....

BTW I go to high school and I admit most of what I'm doing is bullshit.  But it doesn't matter.  Staying home and isolating yourself is not the way to deal with the problem..
I dont isolate myself. Maybe going to school for 12 years of your life is the isolation?. Infact i know it is, im free to do as i please every day of my life. Yet people go to school as if its a jail sentance. Truely the public schoolers are the isolated.
Your grammar does not speak well of your particular brand of homeschooling.

Commie Killer wrote:

Least the kids might gain a social life...
I've made some of my best friends while homeschooling.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-07 20:19:50)

2008-03-07 20:20:18
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

SenorToenails wrote:

Mitch wrote:

I dont isolate myself. Maybe going to school for 12 years of your life is the isolation?. Infact i know it is, im free to do as i please every day of my life. Yet people go to school as if its a jail sentance. Truely the public schoolers are the isolated.
Like anything in life, you get returns based on how much you put into it.  I was far from isolated in my public school, and in fact, if you want to, you can actually be challenged.  It just requires effort and a willingness to do it.  Maybe that was something you lacked, Mitch.
When the time rolls around when i need to know something, for a job, then i will learn it then. Study my ass off, and it'll be fresh in my mind and ready to use.
Or you could be forced to learn it all when you dont need it, forget it, graduate, and need to relearn it for your job again.

1 thing though before we continue debating, what is your point Senor? Are you arguing with me just for the sake of arguing?
15 more years! 15 more years!
2008-03-07 20:25:04
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7199|PNW

Forgetting your lessons is your fault and nobody else's.
2008-03-07 20:33:00
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

Mitch wrote:

When the time rolls around when i need to know something, for a job, then i will learn it then. Study my ass off, and it'll be fresh in my mind and ready to use.
Or you could be forced to learn it all when you dont need it, forget it, graduate, and need to relearn it for your job again.

1 thing though before we continue debating, what is your point Senor? Are you arguing with me just for the sake of arguing?
My point was clear.  If you don't put anything into your education, you won't get much out of it.

If you want to go through life with the attitude of "I'll only learn it when my job needs it", you'll never hold a technical position.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-03-07 20:35:24)

2008-03-07 20:36:04
geNius
..!.,
+144|6870|SoCal

Mitch wrote:

geNius wrote:

Good.
Are you kidding?

Im homeschooled and so are my 3 step sibblings, and you have no clue. It's changed my life for the better in ways you couldn't really imagine, it taught me how to think, not how the school says i should think. I have a very broad knowledge of the world and the most important things about life, not advance calculess.
Imagine the irony in these statements coming from someone who gained a competitive edge in an online video game by using a hack.

The obvious social-shortcomings around here are abundant.

You can have the same world views as a bunch of nerds, but that doesn't make you right.
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2008-03-07 20:44:56
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

SenorToenails wrote:

Mitch wrote:

When the time rolls around when i need to know something, for a job, then i will learn it then. Study my ass off, and it'll be fresh in my mind and ready to use.
Or you could be forced to learn it all when you dont need it, forget it, graduate, and need to relearn it for your job again.

1 thing though before we continue debating, what is your point Senor? Are you arguing with me just for the sake of arguing?
My point was clear.  If you don't put anything into your education, you won't get much out of it.

If you want to go through life with the attitude of "I'll only learn it when my job needs it", you'll never hold a technical position.
I dont put much into my education at the moment and i already know much more than any of my friends who go to school. If i put more into my education then of coarse i could learn so much more, but right now, i wouldn't know what to learn. Math? I don't need advanced math or science. Infact if i did want to learn something new i would take a business coarse, or maybe learn some American history. But at this time in my life i don't care tbh, because i don't plan on going to college. My career is going to be owning my own business like my father does.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2008-03-07 20:48:50
geNius
..!.,
+144|6870|SoCal

Mitch wrote:

I dont put much into my education at the moment and i already know much more than any of my friends who go to school. If i put more into my education then of coarse i could learn so much more, but right now, i wouldn't know what to learn. Math? I don't need advanced math or science. Infact if i did want to learn something new i would take a business coarse, or maybe learn some American history. But at this time in my life i don't care tbh, because i don't plan on going to college.
Obviously, you're not planning on going into the English field.

Mitch wrote:

My career is going to be owning my own business like my father does.
"Like your father does" or "Dad is gonna give it to me"?  If it's the latter, then be honest with yourself: you'll always be ignorant, but you will make it.

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2008-03-07 20:48:50
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6389|Washington DC

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Forgetting your lessons is your fault and nobody else's.
I'm not gonna remember half of all the technicalities of the English language because frankly they'll never help in whatever fields I go into.

edit: Fuck, I don't remember half of them already, but I'm a decent enough writer... enough to get my point across.

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-03-07 20:49:18)

2008-03-07 20:51:07
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

Mitch wrote:

I dont put much into my education at the moment and i already know much more than any of my friends who go to school. If i put more into my education then of coarse i could learn so much more, but right now, i wouldn't know what to learn. Math? I don't need advanced math or science. Infact if i did want to learn something new i would take a business coarse, or maybe learn some American history. But at this time in my life i don't care tbh, because i don't plan on going to college. My career is going to be owning my own business like my father does.
That explains a lot.  I imagine your friends haven't learned much either.  They may not be the best 'standard candle' so to speak for how much you know.
2008-03-07 20:52:44
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA
I homeschool but I enroll in the GUSD.  Fuck them.  I hope all those judges die and burn in fucking hell.

Last edited by FallenMorgan (2008-03-07 20:53:07)

2008-03-07 20:59:46
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

geNius wrote:

Mitch wrote:

I dont put much into my education at the moment and i already know much more than any of my friends who go to school. If i put more into my education then of coarse i could learn so much more, but right now, i wouldn't know what to learn. Math? I don't need advanced math or science. Infact if i did want to learn something new i would take a business coarse, or maybe learn some American history. But at this time in my life i don't care tbh, because i don't plan on going to college.
Obviously, you're not planning on going into the English field.

Mitch wrote:

My career is going to be owning my own business like my father does.
"Like your father does" or "Dad is gonna give it to me"?  If it's the latter, then be honest with yourself: you'll always be ignorant, but you will make it.
No. He's not giving me anything. I don't want his business. I'd like to start my own, possibly a clothing line some day.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2008-03-07 21:01:55
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|7024|Michigan, USA

Mitch wrote:

geNius wrote:

Mitch wrote:

I dont put much into my education at the moment and i already know much more than any of my friends who go to school. If i put more into my education then of coarse i could learn so much more, but right now, i wouldn't know what to learn. Math? I don't need advanced math or science. Infact if i did want to learn something new i would take a business coarse, or maybe learn some American history. But at this time in my life i don't care tbh, because i don't plan on going to college.
Obviously, you're not planning on going into the English field.

Mitch wrote:

My career is going to be owning my own business like my father does.
"Like your father does" or "Dad is gonna give it to me"?  If it's the latter, then be honest with yourself: you'll always be ignorant, but you will make it.
No. He's not giving me anything. I don't want his business. I'd like to start my own, possibly a clothing line some day.
What happens if it doesnt work?  What happens if it falls apart and you lsoe everything you invested?

Your fucked.

Sit there and say you'll never need such and such, but when you have nothing to fall back upon, your gonna be kicking yourself in the ass.

Last edited by r2zoo (2008-03-07 21:02:27)

2008-03-07 21:07:12
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
I think maybe Mitch might agree with the fact that we should be learning shit like history and religion in high school instead of advanced math I know for a fact I will not be using when I get a job.

I'd agree with that.  People are citizens first, scientists later.
2008-03-07 21:08:41
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6918|Northern California
Even if this was an enforceable "law" which it won't be, and even if Phillip Long loses his suit at the state supreme court, and he won't, it's not exactly hard to get a teaching credential...or better yet, throw out the teaching credential requirement for teachers like it is with universities.
2008-03-07 21:11:19
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6389|Washington DC

Spearhead wrote:

I think maybe Mitch might agree with the fact that we should be learning shit like history and religion in high school instead of advanced math I know for a fact I will not be using when I get a job.

I'd agree with that.  People are citizens first, scientists later.
I'm probably going into a field that requires math and science. I'd rather be learning science instead of learning how to write an essay worthy of a 5 on the English AP.
2008-03-07 21:13:22
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

r2zoo wrote:

Mitch wrote:

geNius wrote:


Obviously, you're not planning on going into the English field.

"Like your father does" or "Dad is gonna give it to me"?  If it's the latter, then be honest with yourself: you'll always be ignorant, but you will make it.
No. He's not giving me anything. I don't want his business. I'd like to start my own, possibly a clothing line some day.
What happens if it doesnt work?  What happens if it falls apart and you lsoe everything you invested?

Your fucked.

Sit there and say you'll never need such and such, but when you have nothing to fall back upon, your gonna be kicking yourself in the ass.
Well then i still have my day job and i keep trying. Think Bill Gates gave up the first time he failed?
Failure is going to happen, but im a visionary in the way i think and i wont garentee anything, but i'll tell you im much more likely to succeed than most of the kids who go to school around here.

Plus, college isn't going to make me rich. It might get me a nice job working for someone else, but i don't want to work for someone else my whole life.

Last edited by Mitch (2008-03-07 21:15:30)

15 more years! 15 more years!
2008-03-07 21:13:50
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

IRONCHEF wrote:

Even if this was an enforceable "law" which it won't be, and even if Phillip Long loses his suit at the state supreme court, and he won't, it's not exactly hard to get a teaching credential...or better yet, throw out the teaching credential requirement for teachers like it is with universities.
There is a large difference between teaching high school and teaching college.
2008-03-07 21:19:30
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

Spearhead wrote:

I think maybe Mitch might agree with the fact that we should be learning shit like history and religion in high school instead of advanced math I know for a fact I will not be using when I get a job.

I'd agree with that.  People are citizens first, scientists later.
The question I have for you is:  How can learning anything be a bad thing?  Who cares if you'll never need it.  Intellectual growth is enough of a reward, at least, for me it is.  I took a history minor in undergrad.  Will I ever use that history knowledge in my chosen field?  Nope.  Why did I learn it?  Personal enrichment.

I like learning for the sake of learning, and maybe that isn't your idea of a good time, and that's fine, but don't say that learning things you won't need for work is a bad thing.  Learning is never bad.

 

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