The military is formed of people. And there are somethings we would prefer to either do ourselves, or to actively take part in than simply passively wait for someone else to determine our fate. But, by your comment, I assume you are just trolling to take the piss out of us.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...
see, its so outside of anything you could even conceive, you just wont get it.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...
those are just guns.....open your mind, expand your horizon.
we have black powder, fertilizer, gasoline etc.
you think small time cause you stand in line with the other sheeple. think about how you would do it....youll see.
and be creative
Do I need to quote my earlier post or can you read it your self?imortal wrote:
The military is formed of people. And there are somethings we would prefer to either do ourselves, or to actively take part in than simply passively wait for someone else to determine our fate. But, by your comment, I assume you are just trolling to take the piss out of us.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...
You honestly think you can overthrow your goverment supported by the army with hand guns?
And if the army is on the people's side, what do you need the hand guns for?
You're delusional.Parker wrote:
see, its so outside of anything you could even conceive, you just wont get it.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...
those are just guns.....open your mind, expand your horizon.
we have black powder, fertilizer, gasoline etc.
you think small time cause you stand in line with the other sheeple. think about how you would do it....youll see.
and be creative
Nice try at insulting me though...
No I do not think we could overthrow the government supported by the military. Yeah we've got a hell of a lot of guns, and there are plenty of Ted Kaczynskis for making bombs, but come on. They've got jets, tanks, etc. If things ever got to the point where there was a national uprising, it would be because the government had become totalitarian. And as we all know from history, totalitarian governments tend to just kill anyone who so much as slightly opposes them.
edit: What I'm saying is that if we had an uprising against a totalitarian government we'd be crushed because they would just carpet bomb the dissidents.
edit2: Now then, obviously if the military was on OUR side we'd overthrow them quickly
edit: What I'm saying is that if we had an uprising against a totalitarian government we'd be crushed because they would just carpet bomb the dissidents.
edit2: Now then, obviously if the military was on OUR side we'd overthrow them quickly
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everyone see this^^^^^^Gawwad wrote:
You're delusional.Parker wrote:
see, its so outside of anything you could even conceive, you just wont get it.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...
those are just guns.....open your mind, expand your horizon.
we have black powder, fertilizer, gasoline etc.
you think small time cause you stand in line with the other sheeple. think about how you would do it....youll see.
and be creative
Nice try at insulting me though...
thats what happens when someone is wrong, and they dont want to admit it.
GG, but this is an american thing, you cant even wrap your head around the concept.
you should try it sometime though.
Still going with the insults?Parker wrote:
everyone see this^^^^^^Gawwad wrote:
You're delusional.Parker wrote:
see, its so outside of anything you could even conceive, you just wont get it.
those are just guns.....open your mind, expand your horizon.
we have black powder, fertilizer, gasoline etc.
you think small time cause you stand in line with the other sheeple. think about how you would do it....youll see.
and be creative
Nice try at insulting me though...
thats what happens when someone is wrong, and they dont want to admit it.
GG, but this is an american thing, you cant even wrap your head around the concept.
you should try it sometime though.
What does that tell us?
See Hurricanes post if you've got trouble reading mine.
If you can't keep a level head and debate this, I don't see why we should keep going.
Up to you.
Up to you.
i havent insulted you once....im sorry if you feel that way.Gawwad wrote:
Still going with the insults?Parker wrote:
everyone see this^^^^^^Gawwad wrote:
You're delusional.
Nice try at insulting me though...
thats what happens when someone is wrong, and they dont want to admit it.
GG, but this is an american thing, you cant even wrap your head around the concept.
you should try it sometime though.
What does that tell us?
See Hurricanes post if you've got trouble reading mine.
as far as hurricanes post, i disagree.
ever heard of an insurgency?
edit: you can stop coming to this topic anytime you feel like it.
if the mods feel that i am out of line, they will let me know.....TRUST ME.
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I don't think most people understand what some of us mean when we talk about banning guns.
You know, someone could get a gun and walk into DC...
For this argument, maybe I could just show you a map of various countries that have banned guns altogether.
And even if it's not guns that kill people... why should a country full of lunatics be allowed weapons in the first place?
Guns just provide people with a sense of power, and it's disgusting. The only positive thing to come from guns is the ability to hunt efficiently.
Seriously... I don't know if I could maintain a friendship with anyone who wanted to carry a gun. That, to me, is a sign of psychosis.
Fuck.
You know, someone could get a gun and walk into DC...
For this argument, maybe I could just show you a map of various countries that have banned guns altogether.
And even if it's not guns that kill people... why should a country full of lunatics be allowed weapons in the first place?
Guns just provide people with a sense of power, and it's disgusting. The only positive thing to come from guns is the ability to hunt efficiently.
Seriously... I don't know if I could maintain a friendship with anyone who wanted to carry a gun. That, to me, is a sign of psychosis.
Fuck.
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The army is not just some amophic organism that is ON one side or the other. If a situation came about that the military, or a portion of it, would break ranks with the govenment, then the country itself would be thrown into a state of flux. If the military broke into seperate camps, it would mean another civil war, and the breakdown of a lot of services. Or the military could sideline itself, since there is a law that the US military may not act inside the borders of the United States for anything other than humanitarian relief. Just the act of TRYING to use the military against the citizens could destroy our entire system.Gawwad wrote:
Do I need to quote my earlier post or can you read it your self?imortal wrote:
The military is formed of people. And there are somethings we would prefer to either do ourselves, or to actively take part in than simply passively wait for someone else to determine our fate. But, by your comment, I assume you are just trolling to take the piss out of us.Gawwad wrote:
Apparently the worlds most powerful military isn't all that tough after all...You honestly think you can overthrow your goverment supported by the army with hand guns?
And if the army is on the people's side, what do you need the hand guns for?
You ask what good pistols are against our government, but your focus is too narrow. Or it just may be that you do not have the experience thinking of situations like this.
The government is formed by people. When you say 'fight the government,' it sounds like you are thinking of riots against the police and military; a guy with a pistol trying to take down a tank.
Pistols are easy to conceal. easy to use. Easy to use to take down a single target walking down a street for example.
Taking down a government may be as simple as to survive a period of lawlessness, then voting your changes in place at the next election. Or it could be as serious as forming your own government to supplant the other. It could be the killing of various people holding key positions. It could be simply defending yourself and your home.
I think, and this is not a critiscism but an observation, that you do not have the ability to understand the point we are trying to make because you have no cultural reference to it. To Parker and myself, we cannot conceive how you can decide to live without that security.
Why do you let your goverments choose to not let you have the means of defending yourselves, your homes, and your loved ones?
"you stand in line with the other sheeple"Parker wrote:
i havent insulted you once....im sorry if you feel that way.Gawwad wrote:
Still going with the insults?Parker wrote:
everyone see this^^^^^^
thats what happens when someone is wrong, and they dont want to admit it.
GG, but this is an american thing, you cant even wrap your head around the concept.
you should try it sometime though.
What does that tell us?
See Hurricanes post if you've got trouble reading mine.
as far as hurricanes post, i disagree.
ever heard of an insurgency?
Atleast have the decency not to lie...
go talk about finlandGawwad wrote:
"you stand in line with the other sheeple"
Atleast have the decency not to lie...
thats not an insult, thats the truth.Gawwad wrote:
"you stand in line with the other sheeple"Parker wrote:
i havent insulted you once....im sorry if you feel that way.Gawwad wrote:
Still going with the insults?
What does that tell us?
See Hurricanes post if you've got trouble reading mine.
as far as hurricanes post, i disagree.
ever heard of an insurgency?
Atleast have the decency not to lie...
its SO far out of the way you think, you cant even fathom what im telling you.
thats truth....sorry if it hurts.
we can argue about insults all day through PMs, but i would like to debate the topic at hand.
Why are you debating something that has nothing to do with you? Stay in your little country and enjoy whatever you do over there and dont worry what we do here. I love my guns and I feel alot safer knowing that I can protect my family and home if needed.Gawwad wrote:
If you can't keep a level head and debate this, I don't see why we should keep going.
Up to you.
Since when has it been forbidden to talk about other countries here?
(good post imortal)
(good post imortal)
new ruleGawwad wrote:
Since when has it been forbidden to talk about other countries here?
(good post imortal)
Wow. I feel seriously sorry for you. I do. How about being friends with anyone that is pro-life? Can you stand being near someone who is a staunch Republican? You let political beliefs choose who you can be friends with?djphetal wrote:
I don't think most people understand what some of us mean when we talk about banning guns.
You know, someone could get a gun and walk into DC...
For this argument, maybe I could just show you a map of various countries that have banned guns altogether.
And even if it's not guns that kill people... why should a country full of lunatics be allowed weapons in the first place?
Guns just provide people with a sense of power, and it's disgusting. The only positive thing to come from guns is the ability to hunt efficiently.
Seriously... I don't know if I could maintain a friendship with anyone who wanted to carry a gun. That, to me, is a sign of psychosis.
Fuck.
I know a woman who I went to school with. She immigrated here from South Africa; just got her citizenship last year. She left South Africa for the US after having to shoot and kill three people who broke into her home in three different incidents. She not just carried a gun, she has taken human life with one. By your standards, she is unworthy of your friendship?
You have the right to not own a gun if you don't like. You even have the right to be afraid of them.
Oh, by the way, are you sure you don't know anyone that owns a gun? They might just not tell you.
Nobody said its forbidden. Would you like someone who isnt even from the same country, thousands of miles away in there tiny country, trying to push there own views on you?Gawwad wrote:
Since when has it been forbidden to talk about other countries here?
(good post imortal)
since you want to dodge this:Gawwad wrote:
Since when has it been forbidden to talk about other countries here?
(good post imortal)
what about an insurgency? do you think that the US military would be able to find every single person that would be fighting against them?
i mean, they have tanks and jets, and really big pieces of artillery.
an insurgency SURELY couldnt hold up against something as big and powerful as the united states military, could they?
Most insurgents are not even from that country. So not sure how that can even be compared. And it is not the guns that keep the insurgents alive, it is political policy. Make no mistake.Parker wrote:
an insurgency SURELY couldnt hold up against something as big and powerful as the united states military, could they?
@Parker, an insurgency could hold up a military in a traditional war. But like I said, if this was just all-out killing like what Hitler or Stalin did, then it wouldn't matter. The DOTUS (Dictator of the United States) would just say "Oh, there are some rebels in that city? Bomb it to hell and back."
im making a point......they say the military would completely destroy us because we have a lack of adequate arms to fight them with.
i say, that isnt required, and that is proof.
edit:
Hurri, you really think they would level every single acre of land in this country?
what would they have to rule with no people and bombed out land?
i say, that isnt required, and that is proof.
edit:
Hurri, you really think they would level every single acre of land in this country?
what would they have to rule with no people and bombed out land?
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The willingness and desire to carry a weapon with you wherever you go is frankly concerning. If it were a person of authority, then no... I can understand... but if a citizen wants to walk around with a gun, then I would not want to be around them. And yes... I'm positive none of my friends carry guns. And I never said anything about OWNING a gun. I could be friends with someone who owns a gun... but if they started carrying it, then it would be difficult for me. Guns are evil.imortal wrote:
Wow. I feel seriously sorry for you. I do. How about being friends with anyone that is pro-life? Can you stand being near someone who is a staunch Republican? You let political beliefs choose who you can be friends with?
I know a woman who I went to school with. She immigrated here from South Africa; just got her citizenship last year. She left South Africa for the US after having to shoot and kill three people who broke into her home in three different incidents. She not just carried a gun, she has taken human life with one. By your standards, she is unworthy of your friendship?
You have the right to not own a gun if you don't like. You even have the right to be afraid of them.
Oh, by the way, are you sure you don't know anyone that owns a gun? They might just not tell you.
And no, I don't let my political beliefs choose who I'm friends with... I let my moral beliefs determine that.
And finally, about that woman... She is certainly worthy of friendship... I just don't know if I personally could trust her if she were carrying.
You're taking what I said and generalizing it a bit.
I respect a person's right to own a gun, even if I disagree... But I do not condone carrying a firearm.
like hell we have adequate armsParker wrote:
im making a point......they say the military would completely destroy us because we have a lack of adequate arms to fight them with.
i say, that isnt required, and that is proof.
edit: Phetal if you lived in a really shitty crime city like Detroit, LA, DC then you'd want a piece on you. Maybe I AM psychotic, but I do not like going through very poor, crime-ridden neighborhoods without having something that would give me protection.
Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-03-08 13:23:03)