Yes, there are. As I understand it, home schoolers have to register with state government and take standardized testing to ensure the level of education the children are receiving.
So, if you think about it, home schooling is probably more a last resort than it is a true preference in many cases.
Most of the home schoolers I've known either lived in the middle of nowhere (where the schools are shitty) or in inner city areas (also where the schools are shitty).
Most of the home schoolers I've known either lived in the middle of nowhere (where the schools are shitty) or in inner city areas (also where the schools are shitty).
That hilljack screws up his kid ... and for every one of these hilljacks, right down the street, there is an incompetent "licensed" teacher in the public school screwing up 30 kids.usmarine wrote:
Well that logic is faulty.OrangeHound wrote:
That's faulty logic.usmarine wrote:
Same goes for drivers and CPA's.......but I would rather take my chances with a licensed on over a non-licensed one.
Besides, the keys to quality education are (a) quality curriculum, (b) small class size, and (c) passion of the teacher ... licensing is just merely an agenda of the teacher's unions.
My kid's school scores on average are over one grade higher than the public schools on the standard achievement tests and, Fairfax County where I live, is renowned as one of the top school systems in the United States. I think only one out of the dozen teachers in my kid's school is licensed. But, they have class sizes in the range of 8-12 and very passionate teachers.
Public schools? Class sizes around 30-35 and many teachers who just don't give a crap about anything other than their pension.
What about some hilljack in west virginia keeping his kid out of school and teaching them god knows what?
So it appears your solution is to abolish schools all together?OrangeHound wrote:
That hilljack screws up his kid ... and for every one of these hilljacks, right down the street, there is an incompetent "licensed" teacher in the public school screwing up 30 kids.
and the few home school kids I know are fucking brilliant, like Doctor brilliant however they lack social skills since they don't have the interaction with people that us public school/private school types go through, but it doesn't mean they all turn out smart.Turquoise wrote:
So, if you think about it, home schooling is probably more a last resort than it is a true preference in many cases.
Most of the home schoolers I've known either lived in the middle of nowhere (where the schools are shitty) or in inner city areas (also where the schools are shitty).
Home school is something unknown in Europe, at least in my country. We have a law stating a kid has to attend school (public or private) at 3 yo until 18 yo.
I assume kids from homeschool have to pass regular exams to receive their degrees in order to study at college or uni? Isn't there any supervision over the quality of homeschool?
I assume kids from homeschool have to pass regular exams to receive their degrees in order to study at college or uni? Isn't there any supervision over the quality of homeschool?
Yes and yes.Pierre wrote:
Home school is something unknown in Europe, at least in my country. We have a law stating a kid has to attend school (public or private) at 3 yo until 18 yo.
I assume kids from homeschool have to pass regular exams to receive their degrees in order to study at college or uni? Isn't there any supervision over the quality of homeschool?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Not here, but then again Britain isn't really Europe.Pierre wrote:
Home school is something unknown in Europe, at least in my country. We have a law stating a kid has to attend school (public or private) at 3 yo until 18 yo.
I assume kids from homeschool have to pass regular exams to receive their degrees in order to study at college or uni? Isn't there any supervision over the quality of homeschool?
Everyone leaves school at 16. And not everyone attends at 3 years, a girl came to my school when she was about 12 after being home schooled.
In that case, there shouldn't be any problem. They would miss social skills though.FEOS wrote:
Yes and yes.Pierre wrote:
Home school is something unknown in Europe, at least in my country. We have a law stating a kid has to attend school (public or private) at 3 yo until 18 yo.
I assume kids from homeschool have to pass regular exams to receive their degrees in order to study at college or uni? Isn't there any supervision over the quality of homeschool?
But look at it from the bright sight: a ban on guns would be very effective.
A lot of people use the argument that the kids don't develop the social skills they would if they attended public school. But then again, that's a big reason why parents choose to homeschool--the social skills taught in public schools aren't the ones they want their kids learning.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Makes sense to me. Children should be taught by qualified teachers to ready them for their exams and put them on a level playing field with other kids.usmarine wrote:
I tend to strongly agree with this line...
"On Feb. 28, Judge H. Walter Croskey of the Second District Court of Appeals in Los Angeles ruled that children ages six to 18 may be taught only by credentialed teachers in public or private schools - or at home by Mom and Dad, but only if they have a teaching degree."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080308/u … eschoolers
Nice Sig BTW.
First off, I'd say children that don't attend to school lose a lot more than learning stuff. Those kids don't socialize with other kids, and they can end with less social skills in the future. And regarding the credentials, I agree they need real teachers, not just Mom talking about whatever she wants.
Btw, if I were a mod I'd remove your sig marine. It's not Pc.
Btw, if I were a mod I'd remove your sig marine. It's not Pc.
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At least in my case, my parents had to report to the local school system (the one I was in beforehand) every 9-18 weeks on my progress, with an update on the teaching materials, etc. If the schools found a flaw in her teaching, they would attempt to with help it, or get me a tutor.usmarine wrote:
What about some hilljack in west virginia keeping his kid out of school and teaching them god knows what?
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, and would weed out the hiljacks from..well..yeah.
Nope.usmarine wrote:
So it appears your solution is to abolish schools all together?OrangeHound wrote:
That hilljack screws up his kid ... and for every one of these hilljacks, right down the street, there is an incompetent "licensed" teacher in the public school screwing up 30 kids.
I'm simply stating that "licensing" is a useless factor when considering the quality of a kid's education. Most anyone with a basic level of education can teach from day one, simply because everything that is needed is laid out in the curriculum (assuming one has a quality curriculum).
Factors that ARE NOT important to quality teaching (yet this is what is promoted by the teacher unions):
(1) Teacher salary
(2) Teacher licensing
(3) Modern buildings with the latest technology
Factors that ARE important to quality teaching:
(1) Small class size, optimally on the order of 8-16 (in fairness, the teacher unions promote this as well)
(2) A teacher dedicated to the kids, and passionate about teaching them
(3) Parents who are involved with their children's education.
(4) A class population that is not disruptive (that is, disruptive students are removed).
The students I know who are in homeschooling are actually in a network with others who are homeschooled, and they get their socialization through the network.sergeriver wrote:
First off, I'd say children that don't attend to school lose a lot more than learning stuff. Those kids don't socialize with other kids, and they can end with less social skills in the future.
And what about those who are not in a network?OrangeHound wrote:
The students I know who are in homeschooling are actually in a network with others who are homeschooled, and they get their socialization through the network.sergeriver wrote:
First off, I'd say children that don't attend to school lose a lot more than learning stuff. Those kids don't socialize with other kids, and they can end with less social skills in the future.
I don't know of any, tbh ... around here, there are many US military families who are always on the move. In their view, if their kids were in public schools, then not only does the curriculum, social, and education environments change a lot, but also the "level" of teaching changes: one class might be ahead of where the kids are academically ... then, the next city they are in might have a class behind where the kids are academically.sergeriver wrote:
And what about those who are not in a network?OrangeHound wrote:
The students I know who are in homeschooling are actually in a network with others who are homeschooled, and they get their socialization through the network.sergeriver wrote:
First off, I'd say children that don't attend to school lose a lot more than learning stuff. Those kids don't socialize with other kids, and they can end with less social skills in the future.
So, homeschooling works well for these kids. The parents adopt a quality curriculum and then lead their kids through it, and effectively their school (and its academic position/pace) doesn't change as the parents move ...
nope. and you proved my point.sergeriver wrote:
Btw, if I were a mod I'd remove your sig marine. It's not Pc.
I was called a baby killer because marines "rape and kill" children. ---- No response from Cam & Co
Marines were called douchebags and other generalizations ---- No response from Cam & Co
I change my sig and like an hour later they are already two responses to it. Sig stays.
What do you think home schooling parents do, just guess at what to teach their kids? No, they gather the curriculum, the learn what their children need to know to pass their current "grade" counterparts in public school, and then teach it. For each level in school, there's standards that have to be met by public school dummies to graduate to the next level...this is what homeschoolers get too.JahManRed wrote:
Makes sense to me. Children should be taught by qualified teachers to ready them for their exams and put them on a level playing field with other kids.usmarine wrote:
I tend to strongly agree with this line...
"On Feb. 28, Judge H. Walter Croskey of the Second District Court of Appeals in Los Angeles ruled that children ages six to 18 may be taught only by credentialed teachers in public or private schools - or at home by Mom and Dad, but only if they have a teaching degree."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080308/u … eschoolers
Home schooling is by far superior to public school..especially here in California. I know alot of families and kids that home school and they're complete success stories across the board. And for the balance of "social aspect" that is obviously lacking, some schools allow home schoolers to play school sports, go to dances and other activities..
And another thing, "teaching credentials" are a complete joke and qualify you for nothing. A teacher's salt is in their passion for teaching and their preparation..nothing more, nothing less. This is what makes parent home schoolers so valuable..that and 1 on 1 teaching which is priceless.
I'm just glad that this law will not be enforceable, nor a hinderance to home schoolers...who is going to care?
I've had the trifecta of school systems: home school (k-5), private, christian school (6th & 7th), and public school (8-12).
Home schooling worked very well for me. I'll admit that my social skills among peers were not up to par, but I was probably more mature than many at that age group. Academically, home schooling put me pretty far ahead of most students in math, science, and history. I was slightly behind in english, compared to the students at the private school I attended afterwords. Home schooling put me 2-3 years ahead of the public system in math and history.
*My mother does not have a teaching license, or college degree.
The private school I went to was rather messed up. It was academically fine, but their religious beliefs did not match my understanding of Christianity.
Public school was the most socially diverse, and provided the opportunity to excel academically. Unfortunately, the school system did not promote moving up to a challenging level. It was almost entirely up to the student to find the right course level. The support system did not adequately cover student's needs, and many got lost in the system. Fortunately for me, I was well ahead of the public curriculum and moved to a tougher level fairly easily (although I had to double up in some subjects to get to the right level). It had more opportunities, but also more shortcommings.
Home schooling worked very well for me. I'll admit that my social skills among peers were not up to par, but I was probably more mature than many at that age group. Academically, home schooling put me pretty far ahead of most students in math, science, and history. I was slightly behind in english, compared to the students at the private school I attended afterwords. Home schooling put me 2-3 years ahead of the public system in math and history.
*My mother does not have a teaching license, or college degree.
The private school I went to was rather messed up. It was academically fine, but their religious beliefs did not match my understanding of Christianity.
Public school was the most socially diverse, and provided the opportunity to excel academically. Unfortunately, the school system did not promote moving up to a challenging level. It was almost entirely up to the student to find the right course level. The support system did not adequately cover student's needs, and many got lost in the system. Fortunately for me, I was well ahead of the public curriculum and moved to a tougher level fairly easily (although I had to double up in some subjects to get to the right level). It had more opportunities, but also more shortcommings.
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I don't know who called you a baby killer, you should deal with the person who told you so, but the sig is insulting a lot of people, like your friend method. I miss that guy.usmarine wrote:
nope. and you proved my point.sergeriver wrote:
Btw, if I were a mod I'd remove your sig marine. It's not Pc.
I was called a baby killer because marines "rape and kill" children. ---- No response from Cam & Co
Marines were called douchebags and other generalizations ---- No response from Cam & Co
I change my sig and like an hour later they are already two responses to it. Sig stays.
I dont care tbh.sergeriver wrote:
I don't know who called you a baby killer, you should deal with the person who told you so, but the sig is insulting a lot of people, like your friend method. I miss that guy.usmarine wrote:
nope. and you proved my point.sergeriver wrote:
Btw, if I were a mod I'd remove your sig marine. It's not Pc.
I was called a baby killer because marines "rape and kill" children. ---- No response from Cam & Co
Marines were called douchebags and other generalizations ---- No response from Cam & Co
I change my sig and like an hour later they are already two responses to it. Sig stays.