Bell
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Somewhat reluctant to write this, particularly when the hardware is not officially out as of yet, however, unless all the major hardware websites are all being badly informed, it would appear this info here seems pretty solid.  My frequent visits to my usual tech sites, reading this that and the next thing, there seems to be a concencious that nvidia, namely, this 'new' 9 series line is pretty underwhelming, and infact to put it bluntly, crap.

The apparant specs of the new 9800GTX as they stand now, would mean it is simply a slight overclock on the current 8800GTS that so many of you own.  More woringly, the 9800GTS is apparantly SLOWER than the current 8800GTS, although, there is somewhat ambiguety as to whether or not this is the GT or the GTS the info is talking about.

GeForce 9800GTS  600MHz 1800MHz 128     1500MHz
GeForce 8800GTS  675MHz 1984MHz 128     1688MHz


Card                     SPs    Core clock  Mem clock  Launch date  Price
GeForce 9800GX2  128x2 600MHz      2000MHz    March 18       $599
GeForce 9800GTX  128    675MHz       2200MHz    March 25       $399   
GeForce 9800GTS  128    600MHz       1800MHz     April 4?        $299

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php … card2=548#

It really does seem a case that, for this new series of card, all they have done is crossed out the 8 and put in the 9 :\

I knew, nvidia wasnt going for a big leap this time, I think many people had fooled them selfs into thinking, the jump would of been as much as we saw when we went from 7>8.  They stated that simply wouldnt be the case, it was to be more of an evolutionary step, rather than revolutionary.  But this is neither.  This is just lazy :\

I dunno about you guys, but I was hoping that the next GTX card would of been managing Crysis at 50fps (maybe not at the uber high res and filters, but you know, up there), it would appear you are going to have to go with the 9800GX2 if you want that (which doesnt bode well for Nvidia's Tri SLI, since you cant do that with the 9800GX2).

Like I said, we have yet to get the benchmarks and such, but I really dont see, how this evolutionary step is going to come about, with the exact same hardware

Any thoughts?

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2008-03-07 10:01:15)

xGj
Official lame Crysis fanboy.
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I'll just wait and see.
ednodes
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Meh, at least this will bring down the 8 Series prices. Might as well go for SLi 8's when 9 Series is introduced methinks
DUnlimited
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Yeah, the 9-series seem to be dissappointing

We'll see if Ati can strike now.

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-03-07 11:46:11)

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nVidia is rishing and failing hard with the 9 series. It should really just be a revised 8 series; 9800GTX = 8800GTX G92 and so on. Not 9 series.
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Poseidon
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xGj wrote:

I'll just wait and see.
Ditto. I'm gonna wait until the OFFICIAL specs are released from Nvidia.
CrazeD
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Wow, 9800GTX @ $399. If that's true, then the price of the 8800's should go WAAY down. But knowin nVidia, I simply doubt that.
Gooners
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CrazeD wrote:

Wow, 9800GTX @ $399. If that's true, then the price of the 8800's should go WAAY down. But knowin nVidia, I simply doubt that.
Hell yeah You can pick up an 8800GT for $219.99 (189 At Tigerdirect with a rebate)
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
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From NordicHardware:

GeForce 9800GTX will launch at the end of the month, a week or so after the GeForce 9800GX2. Specifications are more or less identical to the current GeForce 8800GTS, and people have been hoping there is something more to the new G92 cores. The benchmarks posted by VictorWang clearly shows that there isn't. The new cards have better power circuitry and overclocks slightly better than your average GeForce 8 series, but other than that there is practically no reason to upgrade for a GeForce 8 series owner.

The memory frequency is 60MHz higher with 9800GTX, but other than that, the figures are identical (naked pictures in the link). According to VictorWang, both the GPU and memory overclocks better. Much thanks to the new PCB and PWM, but the performance per clock is identical to the GeForce 8800GTS.

Martyn
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Maybe I'll have an excuse try tri-sli.
GC_PaNzerFIN
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of fck that! $399 for 9800GTX that is about as fast as my 8800GTX!!!!
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CrazeD
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Bell wrote:

From NordicHardware:

GeForce 9800GTX will launch at the end of the month, a week or so after the GeForce 9800GX2. Specifications are more or less identical to the current GeForce 8800GTS, and people have been hoping there is something more to the new G92 cores. The benchmarks posted by VictorWang clearly shows that there isn't. The new cards have better power circuitry and overclocks slightly better than your average GeForce 8 series, but other than that there is practically no reason to upgrade for a GeForce 8 series owner.

The memory frequency is 60MHz higher with 9800GTX, but other than that, the figures are identical (naked pictures in the link). According to VictorWang, both the GPU and memory overclocks better. Much thanks to the new PCB and PWM, but the performance per clock is identical to the GeForce 8800GTS.

Martyn
Post the pics?
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
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Think that is it, I dont do japanese lol:

http://www.unihw.com/html/24/n-124.html
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6691|Finland

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
https://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0803/20080305_aca52f19779bc54288degPKb9AWoaypi.jpg
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Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
Would assume there on about that GT100/200.  Apparantly that chip is ready, however they are waiting for ATI to release R700 before they even think about releasing it.  I would almost put money on the idea that ATI 4*** and Nvidia 10 series come out within two weeks of each other.

Martyn
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6691|Finland

Bell wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
Would assume there on about that GT100/200.  Apparantly that chip is ready, however they are waiting for ATI to release R700 before they even think about releasing it.  I would almost put money on the idea that ATI 4*** and Nvidia 10 series come out within two weeks of each other.

Martyn
How nice.... they sell 9800GX2 at $599 and then launch twice as fast card at the same price in couple months....

And if you thought that 9800GTX is dissappointment, what is 9800GTS then.....
https://bbs.unihw.com/attachments/forumid_61/20080304_63a2d672ab0188d546c7G27vUs7DhZAx.jpg
that is totally bollox that they release the same card with higher price tag and a new name....
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ednodes wrote:

Meh, at least this will bring down the 8 Series prices
i hope
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_NL_Lt.EngineerFox
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
So the 9800GTX IS up for Tri-SLI (notice SLI fingers), this may become interresting after al..
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6826|UK

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Bell wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
Would assume there on about that GT100/200.  Apparantly that chip is ready, however they are waiting for ATI to release R700 before they even think about releasing it.  I would almost put money on the idea that ATI 4*** and Nvidia 10 series come out within two weeks of each other.

Martyn
How nice.... they sell 9800GX2 at $599 and then launch twice as fast card at the same price in couple months....

And if you thought that 9800GTX is dissappointment, what is 9800GTS then.....
http://bbs.unihw.com/attachments/forumi … 7DhZAx.jpg
that is totally bollox that they release the same card with higher price tag and a new name....
Exactly.  And, so far as name's are going.  I mean, they bring out the 8800GTS, and then, a year later, totally revamp it, new architecture and what have you, the whole nine yards yet keep the exact same name.  Now, here we are, with the exact same card again (all be it with an extra SLI port and a slight OC), yet it is give an apparant new generation name.

The only card, from the 9 series line up, that serves as a proper 'stepup' is that 9800GX2, which in it's self aint really new either.

Least my head doesnt hurt reading the ATI product line.

@ednodes

Am not so sure it will drastically cut those prices, especially considering the 8800GT/GTS arent quite old (afterall, there still making them).  I think the retailers will basically sell of the current stock at current price's.  After that, you will simply be forced into buying 9 series.

Martyn
The#1Spot
Member
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_NL_Lt.EngineerFox wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
So the 9800GTX IS up for Tri-SLI (notice SLI fingers), this may become interresting after al..
Wouldnt it be technically sex-sli (lulz)considering 6gpus are in 1 computer at once.
02fxnmaurer
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8800gtx ...for cheaper yay !
CrazeD
Member
+368|6949|Maine

The#1Spot wrote:

_NL_Lt.EngineerFox wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Nvidia is planning something top secret... 

from guru3d...

'Graphics cards .. surely the most interesting topic to cover here at Guru3D, obviously you guys every friggin single bit on both the new 9800 GX2 and "that other one" already.'

'** Update - we had some photo's of that "new" product. Yet decided at the request and out of respect of the manufacturer & NVIDIA to remove them.'

and something for you guys 8800GTX on top and 9800GTX under it...
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/mon … Woaypi.jpg
So the 9800GTX IS up for Tri-SLI (notice SLI fingers), this may become interresting after al..
Wouldnt it be technically sex-sli (lulz)considering 6gpus are in 1 computer at once.
He said 9800GTX, not 9800GX2...

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