Poll

Academic or Practical Experience

Practical Experience85%85% - 64
Academic Experience14%14% - 11
Total: 75
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Drakef wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Drakef wrote:

I don't believe my assumption is unfounded at all.
Of course you don't...it's your assumption.
Could you provide any source as to why my assumption is wrong?
You mean other than the content of the posts preceding your stated assumption?
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mikkel
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That seriously depends on your profession. You couldn't survive in mine without reading a shitload of very big books, and you need practical experience to be able to recognise and comprehend the physical aspects of a logical construct.

Last edited by mikkel (2008-03-11 12:07:40)

jsnipy
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+3,277|6949|...

One is not too far ahead form the other but in my opinion practical experience comes first (<bias>I'm a practician more than an academic</bias>).

Academics lack the understanding of nuances and details that practical experience engrains in you.  I'm my occupational experiences no one coming from a pure academic background ever makes an impact. Whichever you are, if you are not current, then you are of much less use.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6426|...
practical experience > academic. Any person who lets a rookie with brains do the job instead of the experienced man is a fool. 9/10 cases the rookie with brains will be inferior to mr. experience.
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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

I think they are both necessary.  Practical experience in a field you know nothing about allows you to gain vast amounts of knowledge from that experience.  Practical experience after learning a great deal through academic exposure (or vice versa) allows you to grow from the experience on another level.  I would recommend both, and there is really no way I could say one is more important than the other, except in certain situations. 

For instance, reading about the correct way to throw a football won't get the same results as going out and trying to throw one, but at the same time, actually throwing a football and then learning specific ways to perfect it could help you improve greatly.  Or does that analogy not make much sense?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-03-11 18:04:30)

Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7134|67.222.138.85
Practical. Rank 10 in my highly competitive class of 1372 doesn't know how to make an electrical circuit.
reaper_654
confused??
+36|6723|ohio,USA

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Practical.  Because Ive known some of the biggest retards with perfect grades in school.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6907|Somewhere else

Depends entirely on the situation.  Overall, as in general to your whole life, everything you do, i'd say practical.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7108|Disaster Free Zone
An architect and a builder are told to build a house, one has academic knowledge of how a structure functions the other has practical experience building the structures, but which building would you prefer to live in, the one designed by the architect or the builder?

CameronPoe wrote:

Mixture. A person doing something and not knowing why is as much of a retard as someone knowing how to do something but not being able to do it.

Masques wrote:

Either. Most truly smart people know when they don't know shit about shit...
The more you learn the more you realise what you don't know.

IRONCHEF wrote:

If we're talking about employment preferences, it's obvious that most realistic employers want job experience over a fresh graduate any day of the week.  However, some jobs will require the tailored education to be hired..but still, if there's someone with the right degree/education AND the experience, the employer would take the experienced one over the fresh graduate.
Not necessarily. With experience usually comes age, and an older person will have a shorter life expectancy at the company. Also they will usually demand a higher income and if their experience isn't in exactly the same kind of work, then they are going to have to be trained just the same as the graduate on the job. Why do you think people over 40 who have been sacked find it almost impossible to find a new job?

Last edited by DrunkFace (2008-03-11 20:26:43)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

SEREMAKER wrote:

practical ............ you can be the smartest person in the world but if you can't cross the street then what fucking good are you
practical.

easy to explain. I will follow the person who has walked the path over the person who merely has a map.

academics are merely credentials, giving a person the privilege to learn.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6557|North Tonawanda, NY
As a person who works in academia, you need to have the sheer academic knowledge to survive.  But, you also need to have some practical experience to gain that intuition on how to work various problems.  If you don't have experience or academic knowledge, nothing gets done.  The ideal mix is both, like DrunkFace said.

Edit:  This reminded me of an old joke my math professor told once.  The amount of practical experience one gets in university varies greatly depending on the field of study.

Suppose a chemist, physicist, and mathematician see a burning trashcan.  The chemist fills a beaker with water and puts out the fire.  The physicist calculates an approximate amount of water, measures that quantity, and puts out the fire.  The mathematician sees the fire, and says "I can solve this" and walks away.

If you don't get that, you need to spend more time with a mathematician. 

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-03-11 21:03:06)

lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7257|Denver colorado
Practical all the way.

To be honest the people who pride them selfs on their Academics annoy the hell out of me because they are stuck in bubble of thought where only simple logic means anything to them.
It really isn't that simple...
N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6358|Somewhere out in Space

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Practical.  Because Ive known some of the biggest retards with perfect grades in school.
Is ashamed to be one of them.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6533|eXtreme to the maX
You need both really, but given the choice between academic and practical I'll pick academic.

With academic/theoretical experience and a bit of intelligence its straighforward to deal with most things.

With practical experience but without an academic background there will be colossal holes in your knowledge which you won't even know are there - in my experience thats highly dangerous.
Most people who claim experience have much less than they realise, mix arrogance and ignorance -> best to stand back and watch from a safe distance.

Plus I'm fed up with the 'I've been doing this job 20 years what do you know' narrow-minded dickheads.
Well I know I was learning fracture mechanics and nuclear reactor design while your mates were throwing oily rags at you.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS
It depends what you want.

Practical experience is definitely more important in most jobs.

But I certainly wouldn't trust planning, management etc. etc. to someone with no academic experience.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6533|eXtreme to the maX
The more you learn the more you realise what you don't know.
Good one.
My personal mantra - The more you learn the more you learn you know nothing.

Furthermore, its essential to understand the theory behind the practice, or you're a technician.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-03-12 01:56:10)

Fuck Israel
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7191
Practical you can know how to do everything in the world by the book, but reality throws in little hitches that aren't covered in books and manuals.
<BoTM>J_Aero
Qualified Expert
+62|6892|Melbourne - Home of Football

sergeriver wrote:

Both.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon
i would say practical, but sometimes i think that is just me trying to justify being a shit-heel when i was younger.
while i should have been going to proms and all that fun stuff, i was out selling dope and getting arrested for it. i never really experienced true high school life (proms, football games, homecomings that type shit), and only attended college for a short time.

however, during that time i learned more about people, and what they are capable of, than any education could have taught me. and i truly believe that i learned a TON about economics.....you would be surprised how competitive the dope game is.
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7137|Sweden
Practical way to many people who have their degrees actually barely knows shit, they focused so much on studying they lost the concept why  they were doing it in the first place.

There are exceptions but i have seen too many people simply focusing on grades ( they just read up like asses before their exams ) when they are done most information got lost anyway.
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School is basic, without practical experience you will not be hired by anyone
topal63
. . .
+533|7145
There simply is no replacement for academics - none whatsoever. The only problem is people thinking their pursuit of knowledge mimics that of what goes on in a seemingly "purely academic" environment. It usually doesn't. Or there is a persistent assumption that working to make a living is somehow comparable to academics? The necessary attention to detail is utterly lacking often - so the comparison cannot be made (unless you're talking about apprenticeship professionalism in a trade, which is a dying art; a dying form in the modern world/society). No true scientist or academic can ignore minutia, detail, the painstakingly hard fought-for facts, data, etc, else there would be little progress in the task; the problem at hand; before those individuals. Solutions, medical breakthroughs, scientific advancement, technological innovation's, and the like would simply happen at a snails pace or rather in geologic time scales if it were not for academics.

The practical application of academics cannot be dismissed either in favor (as a value judgment call) of "pure academics." What would be the point of the pursuit of knowledge without applying that to reality - the reality of life.

IMO, but, if you think practical knowledge is king - you're an ignorant fellow. You will live your lives, are living your life, whilst standing on the shoulders of genius (academically fought and won - knowledge and practical applications of knowledge). You simply might not realize it or acknowledge it. Genius cultivated in an academic environment. Genius stylized like an academic pursuit (i.e. the pursuit of knowledge) founded on knowing the grave implications that the attention to detail inflicts upon an individual's integrity. The brainiacs that rule you're life are unseen and as they say "out of sight out of mind." Most of modernity, the things you enjoy in life now, medicine, tv, video games, attack helicopters, whatever... is not based upon what the majority does. It is based upon what has been done in the past and present by a minority of humanity. It is based upon human genius which usually gravitates towards academic (or academic like) work.

We are all, figuratively, standing upon the shoulders of academic men and women. So you know how I voted - no?

Last edited by topal63 (2008-03-12 09:19:35)

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