Kmar
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A happy St. Patrick’s Day, or Lá Fhéile Phádraig, as the Irish call it , or would if they spoke Irish.

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Despite generations of compulsory education in the nation’s first official language, or perhaps because of it, the Irish seem unwilling to make this part of their heritage a part of their current lives:
Gaelic — or irish, as we call it here — is the first official language of Ireland. (English is second.) And 41% of the population claim to speak it. But could that be true? To put it to the test, I set off across Ireland for three weeks in the summer of 2006 with one self-imposed handicap — to never utter a word of English.

    I chose Dublin as a starting point. The sales assistant in the first shop I went to said, “Would you speak English maybe?” I tried repeating my request using the simplest schoolroom Irish that he must have learned during the 10 years of compulsory Irish that every schoolchild undergoes. “Do you speak English?” he asked again in a cold, threatening tone. Sea (pronounced “sha”), I affirmed, and nodded meekly. “I’m not talking to you any more,” he said, covering his ears. “Go away!”

    I knew the journey was going to be difficult, just not this difficult. Language experts claim that the figure of fluent Irish speakers is closer to 3% than the aspirational 41% who tick the language box on the census, and most of them are concentrated on the western seaboard, in remote, inaccessible areas. What I had not factored for was the animosity. Part of it, I felt, stemmed from guilt. We feel inadequate that we cannot speak our own language.

    I decided to visit Dublin’s tourist office, which, presumably, was accustomed to dealing with different languages. The man at the counter looked at me quizzically when I inquired about a city tour. “Huh?” he said, his eyes widening. I repeated myself.

    “You don’t speak English, do you?” he asked coldly. I was already beginning to hate this moment — the point at which the fear and frustration spread across a person’s face. I asked if there was any other language I could use, and they pointed to a list of seven flags on the wall representing the languages they dealt in. To be honest, I could speak four of them, but I had promised myself not to, not unless it was absolutely necessary.
As Magan discovers, the language itself has its burden of politics and culture. For generations, it served as a badge of shame, identifying its speakers as backwards, unsophisticated, and hopeless, or at least it did among those who thought themselves superior for having left it behind. That kind of baggage doesn’t disappear overnight. The compulsory education didn’t do anything to address that, nor did it give the language any kind of relevancy in a nation that already spoke one language from border to border: English.

Oddly, this should be an era where the language thrives. Ireland pressed for and received official EU recognition for Irish as an official language of the union. Web sites teaching the language flourish, and global interest in it continues to grow. More and more musicians use the language not just to sing traditional Irish songs, but to write contemporary music with contemporary lyrics. Its beauty remains undimmed, even if still mostly unrecognized.

Hopefully, Magan’s journey will inspire more to actually use the language, in Ireland and abroad. Despite the open hostility he found in Dublin, the rest of the country appeared more open to his use of Irish, if no less dumbfounded. Language speaks more than just conversation; it carries the history of a culture in its structure and syntax. Its loss would mean so much more than just the disappearance of a few quaint road signs along the countryside.
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Roger Lesboules
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I never knew that Irish dont speak their Native language at all...Kinda sucks tbh.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6650|Escea

Don't the Scots speak Gaelic as a native language as well? Never actually heard Gaelic being spoken like.
Mekstizzle
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+3,611|7048|London, England
Celtic Languages, they've pretty much been on the decline since the Romans stormed the place
ghettoperson
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Does Cam actually speak it fluently, or just likes to dazzle us with the occasional phrase?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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ghettoperson wrote:

Does Cam actually speak it fluently, or just likes to dazzle us with the occasional phrase?
I learned all I needed to know about the Irish from The Departed.

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Check that.. It is St.Patrick Day, ya know.
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IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7169|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Cam is indeed a fluent speaker from the Gaeltacht.. There is still a lot of opposition toward Gaelic here from Loyalists, who still oppose Irish language rights, which were supposed to be agreed as part of the St. Andrews deal... there are plenty of Gaelic speakers about the place but of course English is the most prevalent language on the island at the minute..  agus  Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Duit, erin go bragh!!

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liquix
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thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
Kmar
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liquix wrote:

thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.
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ReTox
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Ceud Mile Failte!

I grew up hearing Gaelic every time I went to visit my Grandparents.  They live in the Cape Breton Highlands of Nova Scotia (New Scotland) here in Canada.  Very well kept traditions of our Celtic ancestry going on in that place.
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Kmarion wrote:

liquix wrote:

thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.
Article 2. Section 9 (of the Floirda Constitution)

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind … b=statutes

And you call yourself a Floridian.... Phppt.  J/K
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Lai
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Don't the Scots speak Gaelic as a native language as well? Never actually heard Gaelic being spoken like.
Yes they do, but it differs from Irish Gaelic. However both Irish and Scottish Gaelic (the latter also being the variant spoken in Nova Scotia) are of the Goidelic sub-branch of Celtic languages. Breton (still spoken in Brittany) and Cornish (dead, but revived, though unsuccesfully due to feeble quarrels about what age of Cornish to reintroduce) are of the Brythonnic branch as well as Welsh (most alive of all) and Manx (dead). All of them including Breton are considered to be of the insular branch of Celtic languages. Mainland Celtic languages such as Lepontic, Gallic and Galatian are all long dead.

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Celtic Languages, they've pretty much been on the decline since the Romans stormed the place
No not really, not at all actually. Especially in the Irish golden age of around AD 750, vernacular texts were very popular.
Kmar
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

liquix wrote:

thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.
Article 2. Section 9 (of the Floirda Constitution)

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind … b=statutes

And you call yourself a Floridian.... Phppt.  J/K
If Florida constitutes itself as the United States than sure, you are correct..lol
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JahManRed
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Fuck, Dublin is more English than London, I wouldn't look for Gaelic there. Head to the hills. Phonetically, posh Dublin people speak English better than posh English people.

The English have tried their best for 600 years to destroy the Irish language and culture, I'm amazed anyone still speaks it. And  I predict a resurgence of the language when Ireland is united.
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Mekstizzle
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There's no such thing as an Irishman speaker better English than people born here. Out of all the English accents in the world Irish is the one I find hardest understanding, yes, I even understand Scouse more than Irish-English
M.O.A.B
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Mek-Izzle wrote:

There's no such thing as an Irishman speaker better English than people born here. Out of all the English accents in the world Irish is the one I find hardest understanding, yes, I even understand Scouse more than Irish-English
Add a little whiskey to that voice and we're really gone.
Lai
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JahManRed wrote:

Fuck, Dublin is more English than London.
I would have sworn it was Scandinavian

Mek-Izzle wrote:

There's no such thing as an Irishman speaker better English than people born here. Out of all the English accents in the world Irish is the one I find hardest understanding, yes, I even understand Scouse more than Irish-English
You've obviously never followed an English course given by a Russian PhD.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
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Mek-Izzle wrote:

There's no such thing as an Irishman speaker better English than people born here. Out of all the English accents in the world Irish is the one I find hardest understanding, yes, I even understand Scouse more than Irish-English
depends what part of the island they are from, very varied dialect / accents  spoken here & it tends to change about after the length of a stones throw!, Dublin & Belfast accents are very hard to make up, very harsh tonally, but then i've no problems making out anyone from anywhere in Ireland, or, the British isles for that matter. As for the Gaelic? there are a couple of dialects of that spoken on the island as well..

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FatherTed
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I hope not, i'm pretty good at picking up languages, and i want to learn it when i go to Queens.

My dad's fluent, and most of his family, It feels like a part of my heritage, something i should know.
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G.Cronin
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+24|6618|Contae Chorcaí | Éire
I don't think its dead, i know a lot of people that fluently speak it. I think the younger generation just aren't being taught it enough!
henno13
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theres irish speaking clases im my school
every year they go to a "Gaeltacht" which takes place in Donegal, Westeren Ireland

it sounds kinda annoying so i dont study irish..

Last edited by henno13 (2008-03-17 15:40:29)

Braddock
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+916|6717|Éire
Dia duit a Kmarion. Tá se fíor le rá go bhfuil go leor duine ar an oileann seo gan Gaeilge ar bith inniu, ach le sin ráite níl an teanga marbh go fóill. Tá sé fós beo ins na Gaeltachta agus tá an stáisiún TG4 ceann de na stáisiún is fearr ar an teilifís anseo, dar liomsa... tá South Park ar siúl ar TG4 as Gaeilge anois! Bhí mé fhéin rugadh agas ardaithe ins an Gaeltacht ach ní raibh mé liofa nuair a bhí mé óg mar bhí mo thuismitheoirí ardaithe ins an Albain agus an Sasana agus mar sin ní raibh Gaeilge aice agus ní raibh an teanga labhartha sa teach. Thart fá bliain amhain ó shin rinne me suas mo intinn chun mo mháthair teanga a fhoghlaim arís, go ceart, mar ní mhaith liom an smaoineamh go raibh mo ceann sreangaithe chun dteanga iasachta. Anois táim abalta smaoineamh agus labhairt as Gaeilge agus anois agus arís tá mo brionglóidí as Gaeilge!

Hello Kmarion. It is true to say that many people on this island are without Irish today, but with that said the language is not dead yet. It is still alive in the Gaeltachts (Gaeilge speaking regions) and the television station TG4 is one of the best stations here, in my opinion... South Park is on now in Irish! I myself was born and raised in the Gaeltacht but I wasn't fluent when I was young because my parents were raised in Scotland and England and because of that they had no Irish and the language was not spoken in the house. About a year ago I made my mind up to learn my mother tongue again, properly, because I didn't like the idea that my mind was wired for a foreign language. Now I can think and talk in Irish and now and then I dream in Irish!

Last edited by Braddock (2008-03-17 16:17:20)

Braddock
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+916|6717|Éire
Here's a great little short film that sums up the Gaeilge situation, particularly in Dublin. It's not long and is quite funn and even stars Father Jack from Father Ted...


Last edited by Braddock (2008-03-17 16:32:51)

Ty
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Sea (pronounced “sha”), I affirmed...
Funny story; that's my name.
It's got a "y" at the end but it's the same word. It's now pronounced "Say" but it used to be pronounced "Shey" or "Shy" or something.
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